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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Front disc Brakes (4 & 5 Lug)

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Bullitt4248

Thanks again - I'll keep looking and learning -

Wittsend

While there may be others that may answer this question sadly we have pretty much determined that Dick 1172762 had passed away a number of years ago. He was a Pinto racer for many years and thus I assume if the alteration was mentioned by him, it likely was capable of being done. Hopefully someone will be able to verify for you. It would be a solution for the rare and pricey 71-73 rotors.

Bullitt4248

[quote author=dick1172762    "The 74/80 calipers can be adapted to the 71/73 spindals with a little machine work. Or the entire unit (spindal/caliper/rotor) can be adapted by useing different ball joints/tie rod ends. Changing the entire unit is the best way. I've done both with better brakes both ways.
[/quote]

Please explain how this would work on my 1972 Pinto wagon - thanks

65ShelbyClone

I actually did think about that when flipping the parts around. I was reluctant to because the caliper has a sizable boss cast into it just for the bleeder and I didn't really want to disassemble the whole thing just to see if metal behind the piston was thick enough.  The bleeder seals on a taper at the bottom too, so I'd have to get that right or figure out a way around it. I think that's why the threads are so deep.

This car is pretty nose-heavy and fast with a tinfoil chassis and plans to go faster so I want the brakes 100% reliable with no uncertainties. I may investigate it though. On the other hand I'm really looking hard at some Afco aluminum calipers...
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

Wittsend

Any possibility that a hole can just be drilled/tapped at the top or is this one of those "metal doesn't look thick enough" things?

65ShelbyClone

Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on December 02, 2017, 01:40:45 PM
Since I still have to change to the front hoses, I may put my calipers on opposite sides to get that clearance at the expense of having the bleeders point downward...whi ch will require unbolting them for proper bleeding.
Turns out the stainless hoses I have are too short to use with the calipers upside-down, so I had to keep the rubber lines. It was a PITA to bleed them this time, but it got done. The hoses clear the springs better and UCA clearance is improved, but I think some steering limiters will still be necessary until I figure something else out.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

Julee

Thanks for the info Dick. I have purchased a pair of Granada rotors and will be starting the swap soon
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65ShelbyClone

Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on October 21, 2017, 10:01:33 PM
I have just recently finished doing what you did in this thread; Granada 11" and GM metric calipers on a '71-73 Pinto.

Firstly, I can confirm that the Granada rotors, bearings, and seals fit right onto an early Pinto spindle. No problem there.

I modified a pair of '74+ metric caliper conversion brackets in a similar fashion. Some pictures are in my build thread here:
http://www.fordpinto.com/it's-all-about-the-turbo/my-1972-turbo-swap-thread/240/

What I wanted to add is this:
- Modifying the brackets makes them and the calipers fit over a Granada rotor. However, if the car's front is lowered substantially like mine is, the caliper banjo bolts/hose ends will hit the upper control arms and it gets worse as suspension compression increases. It greatly reduces turning radius once contact occurs...like under hard braking.

Addendum to the last paragraph: It looks like there are two versions of the calipers I got; one where the banjo fitting and bleeder are on the top (the style I have) and one where the banjo is on the bottom and the bleeder is on the upper rear. It looks like the latter with the inlet on the bottom and rear bleeder would probably improve clearance with the UCA by a decent amount.

Since I still have to change to the front hoses, I may put my calipers on opposite sides to get that clearance at the expense of having the bleeders point downward...which will require unbolting them for proper bleeding. It's not an uncommon technique used on motorcycles where the MC is substantially higher than the caliper.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

65ShelbyClone

Quote from: turbopinto72 on September 02, 2004, 09:15:33 PM
Rember, this ( should) be about what you HAVE done or ARE doing now, as apposed to what you heard.

I have just recently finished doing what you did in this thread; Granada 11" and GM metric calipers on a '71-73 Pinto.

Firstly, I can confirm that the Granada rotors, bearings, and seals fit right onto an early Pinto spindle. No problem there.

I modified a pair of '74+ metric caliper conversion brackets in a similar fashion. Some pictures are in my build thread here:
http://www.fordpinto.com/it's-all-about-the-turbo/my-1972-turbo-swap-thread/240/

What I wanted to add is this:
- Modifying the brackets makes them and the calipers fit over a Granada rotor. However, if the car's front is lowered substantially like mine is, the caliper banjo bolts/hose ends will hit the upper control arms and it gets worse as suspension compression increases. It greatly reduces turning radius once contact occurs...like under hard braking.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

Reed

Wow, I earn new things every day!  I haven't pulled the wheels off my 71 yt to see what kind of iscs are on it, but it does have discs.  This thread is GREAT!   8)
Looking for:  Rear and side window louvers for a 71 sedan, 15 inch aluminum slotted mags and tires (Ansen sprint style), and an Offenhauser dual-port intake for a 2000cc motor.

map351

Reed
The 65/67 mustang/Fairlane/Comet used the same K/H caliper just different Spindle adapter, I have 6 sets (2 Mopar) and rebuilt a pair for my pinto but found the JFZ and went that direction to loose a few Lbs on the sprung weight on the front end.

Mike
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Reed

I have a somewhat different and possibly simpler and cheaper suggestion.

I just purchased my first Pinto so i don't know much about them, but I used to be into Mopars and slant sixes.  In the Mopar world there is a similar issue with brakes-  the early darts and valiants had a four piston Kelsey-Hayes disc brake setup that is extremely expensive to find parts for now.  Also, through 73, those same cars had a five on four inch bolt pattern, but 74-76 they got a five on four point 5 inch bolt pattern as well as a standard single piston disc brake system.  Many folks want to swap to the later disc brake system but don't want to swap their rear axles or lose their fancy wheel in the small bolt pattern.

I knew a gentleman who solved this problem by ordering a rotor blank that would fit the spindle and bearings but he got it machined to the small bolt pattern.  This way, he got the later better disc brake setup but kept the original bolt pattern.

Would it be possible to do something similar for Pintos?  Could a rotor blank be ordered and then the lug bolt pattern machined and the lug bolts pressed in by a machine shop?  Mioght be simpler than all this engineering (although I do have much respect for the skill and creativity of this engineering).
Looking for:  Rear and side window louvers for a 71 sedan, 15 inch aluminum slotted mags and tires (Ansen sprint style), and an Offenhauser dual-port intake for a 2000cc motor.

map351

I have a little different approach to the big rotor swap instead of the Big heavy GM caliper. Wilwood makes sells a 74 & up Wilwood caliper bracket simple and light & you can buy good used Aluminum ( Light) JFZ & Wilwood for 10 Bux & up at the local swap meets or check with your local dirt track guys. The Wilwood bracket will need Adjusted for the early spindle but not a big deal they cut a over size slot for centering. I'll make a template with dimensions if anyone wants them. I think the Wilwood is a JFZ knockoff. The JFZ pictured were 10Bux each at a local swap meet..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Wilwood-Dynalite-Calipers-Dirt-Late-Model-Imca-Race-Car_W0QQitemZ360068436230QQihZ023QQcategoryZ33563QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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WITH A 5 BOLT REAR END YOU STAND LESS A CHANCE OF BRAKE OFF YOUR WHEEL STUD'S
AND IT LOOK'S COOLER
AND IT OPEN'S THE DOOR UP TO FIND USED WHEEL EASYER
YOU CAN USE FORD /  DODGE / AMC AND A FEW OTHER'S

GFP

Pintony

Hello Brad,
I wanted to say what an outstanding job you did making and photographing and taking the time to list part numbers for your 11" Granada disc brake information.
I think this will help out most of the members here.

As always a pleasure to read your posts.

Keep up the great work and I'll keep watching for your posts.

From Pintony

77turbopinto

Has anyone else had a clearence issue with the lower a arm? I had to do some grinding.

Also, I have heard a few people say that they can't run wheels smaller that 15's, but I can run 14's fine.

???
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turbopinto72

Frank, I actually used 1/16" stainless washers and added untill it was just right where I wanted it to be.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

FCANON

so what did you use to make the spacers Brad?

Frank
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77turbopinto

My replies:

I did not, as mine had discs.

I don't know what exatcly that is, so I will say ???.

I just used the all the stock lines, less the two on the rear axle, but changed the hoses.

I had to look for a while, but front hoses from a 88 chevy s10 blazer 4x4 2.8l, and rear hose from a 68 stang v8(and rear). I had to modify the front frame brackets and install the frame end sides with nuts, and the rear hose (ground it down to fit with the pinto clip).

Yes, take your time and double check your work as you go.  My car still needs some strong brake pedal in-put, but now it WILL stop. I would assume that you have a pre-73 so I have no idea how all of this will work for you. 

Bill
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Chris

About conversions…

Do you have to change the Metering (proportional, combination, whatever whoever wants to call it) valve when going from front drums to front discs?
Do you need a residual pressure valve?
Where can you get the brake line fittings for the Master cylinder without using adapters?
I'm having a large problem finding fittings.
Anyone have suggestions or ideas? Thanks.
1971 Pinto

77turbopinto

I agree with pontony, and as for me, the stock brakes did not give my t/p the stopping power it needed. I did not want to put in the power booster. Going to the 5 lug was not what I wanted, but it was the easy way to do it (finding factory rims the size I wanted was easier too). I used 68 stang rear/granada fronts. The rear was not a "bolt-in", but niether was the granada stuff.

The only think that I did not see mentioned here was the clearence issue with the LOWER control arm that I had.

I used brake hoses from a 88 chevy S-10 blazer 4x4 2.8l.

Bill
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78pinto

post that in the parts for sale section, along with your location and i'm sure you'll sell it all!
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bigbill

I guess this doesn't have a lot to do with the original start of this thread(that's a new term for me. 6 months ago I didn't even know how to turn a computer on and I still don't understand how to type with more than two fingers!) But I guess you can see that I am surely from an earlier time.By the way, the T-Bird Turbo-Coupe I am using for my rear end and transmission donor still has it's original complete turbo engine. I am not going to use it or the bellhousing, flywheel, starter, etc.The whole computer system is there also. If it is the new Hot Tip then I will let someone have it DIRT cheap(200 bucks) I still love the sound of a V-8 through a good set of headers!!!

bigbill

I fully understand that an 8.8 rear is not a "bolt in" swap but just how hard is it to trim off a few mounting lugs and set the thing down on a set of 3 inch perches and weld the perches to the housing? If most of the members don't have the resorces to do or have done that little bit of fabrication then how are they doing subframe connectors,roll bars,chassis engine mounts, ect.? The small amount of extra width in a Mustang rear end(less than 1 inch) is very helpful in gaining clearance on the back side of the tire and wheel. No, I am very sorry that I don't "Get It". I come from a generation that had to use our heads and develop skills because we could not run out and buy ready made parts. Life is not full of "bolt ins" I was just trying to show some members that they can do these things if they want to I admit I have an advantage over some folks because I have a lot of time andhard work involved in being a mechanic and it is sometimes hard for other people to get acess to the things I can walk out to my little shop and just pick up. I am also very hard-headed in case you did not notice
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Pintony

Well Bill,
Since you do not get it.
The 8.8 is not a bolt-in install.
Most of the members here do not know how or do not have the resourses to weld in a 8.8 rear.
Also I'm pretty sure that the 8.8 is wider that the stock Pinto rear????
Most everyone uses the MII 8" rear that is still 4 lug.
For those who want the 5 lug I recomend the maverick V8 rear axel.
Maybe that will help you understand.
Eventually I will tear out my 8" rear and I'll install my Lincolin Versales Disk brake rear.
From Pintony

bigbill

Maybe I am a little slow minded but why would anyone be misguided enough to install a 5 lug rear end when a 4 lug 8.8 will pick the front wheels of a 3400 lb. Mustang up time after time and never tear up? I have been building Ford cars for over 40 years(I am 58 years old) and I currently own and race a 66 GTA Fairlane with a 439 c.i. FE based engine. It runs the 1/8 mile in 6.699 seconds and 102 mph. This car weighs 2980lbs. and has an extreme amount of torque so yes it has a 9inch rear. A normal small block Ford engine in a 2400 lb. car will NEVER harm a 4 lug 8.8 rear endand you only need bigger front brakes when you go a lot faster and get a lot heavier! I also happen to think Cobra R 4 lug wheels and Mustang Pony wheels look pretty good. I know they are 16 inch but guess what! they will fit a PINTO

Pintony

Hey Bill,
I agree. Maybe it has something to do with the 22"+ wheels they are making now???
Sorry I just do not get it.
Sorry Bill, 4 lug wheels are ugly.
+ many more choices with 5 lug rotors.
Also if you swap to a beefy rear with 5 lug then you will have to carry  2 spare tires in case of a flat.

From Pintony

bigbill

Why does everyone want to put 5 lug wheels and bigger brakes on a 2300 lb. car? 4 lug stuff works just fine and was factory installed on cars a lot bigger, heavier, and faster than a Pinto! Mustang, T-bird and Cougar all have had very nice wheels at one time or another(15&16 inch) which will fit a Pinto very well and all of them had engine and drive train choices that could be pretty strong. So what's the big deal with bigger brakes and 5 lugs? ???

FCANON

So in the Big pic of this you have 5/16 difference between the 73 and 74 break mounts.,,.
I will meshure the 74 mustang 5 lug rotor and the 72 rotor and see if its the same as the on you have,,,, I just happen to have a 71 and a 77 suframe at the Print shop, I would have dont it sooner but I just bought a Calipar to meshure with.

Frank ;D
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