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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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turbopinto72

It will work fine, no problem with your application.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Bret Culpepper

My 122c.i./2.0 has the Blackjack Header, Weiand Intake & the Holley 390c.f.m. & I wish to install a T9.
I know the T9 has specific weaknesses, but will there be a problem matin my 122c.i./2.0 now?

72DutchWagon

The Merkur had a turbocharged 2.3 Lima with a T9 behind it. So now I guess that all T9's in the US have an input shaft for a 2.3 Lima engine.

LTFM, I'm sorry but I don't think you will be able to find that donor car in the States, it is a European Ford Sierra, the bodyshell is very much like the US sold Merkur, but in Europa it was available in many body styles, with carbureted 1600, 1800 and 2000cc Pinto engines, and 2000cc Pinto EFI (and diesel!).
The factory EFI head is said to be flowing as well as a stage 2 tuned carbureted head.
Stock EFI was 115 HP, later they were detuned to 100 HP for emissions by lowering the compression.

In the US it might be an idea to just get a Pinto specific throttle body set up, or make one up, and then find a 79 or younger fuel injected Volvo 240 B21F and scavenge all the electronics, ecu  and sensors from that. The Pinto can be bored to a 2.1 too if desired. 

LongTimeFordMan

What model.car is this and where can i get one for a donor..

Is this the mythical mercur?
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72DutchWagon

Robert, so you got the T9 working with a 2.3 bell behind the 2.0? Great to hear!
Blaine might be interested in the details, though it will be easier for him, your T9's all have the V6 input shaft I guess.
Everything OK here, just doing more driving then wrenching this year.

Srt, hope you won't get more annoyed, but you might want to take a look at what these Swedes are doing with a stock EFI Pinto 2.0, which basically has the same engine block as the 70's cars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7OnjQZiytM

Srt


man do I wish this stuff had been around in the early 1970's




Quote from: 72DutchWagon on November 29, 2018, 01:31:25 PM
forum with a ton of information on tuning the Pinto 2.0;

http://www.turbosport.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=179

I posted it here before but a reminder might come in handy.

Fuel injection conversion example 1:

http://www.webcon.co.uk/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=959&cat=Retroject+Kits

Fuel injection conversion example 2:

https://store.jenvey.co.uk/ford-2l-pinto-tbp45-kit-ckfd17-kit

I'm still happily plodding around with Donkey, my 72 wagon with 85 EECIV EFI Pinto, 90 injection head with factory hardened valve seats and Kent cams FR34 injection cam, T9 5-speed, 79 Mustang II 8-inch rearend with 3.40 gears.
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

robertwwithee

Quote from: 72DutchWagon on November 29, 2018, 01:31:25 PM
forum with a ton of information on tuning the Pinto 2.0;

http://www.turbosport.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=179

I posted it here before but a reminder might come in handy.

Fuel injection conversion example 1:

http://www.webcon.co.uk/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=959&cat=Retroject+Kits

Fuel injection conversion example 2:

https://store.jenvey.co.uk/ford-2l-pinto-tbp45-kit-ckfd17-kit

I'm still happily plodding around with Donkey, my 72 wagon with 85 EECIV EFI Pinto, 90 injection head with factory hardened valve seats and Kent cams FR34 injection cam, T9 5-speed, 79 Mustang II 8-inch rearend with 3.40 gears.
Hope all is well Geert.  My T9 has worked out well. 

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72DutchWagon

forum with a ton of information on tuning the Pinto 2.0;

http://www.turbosport.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=179

I posted it here before but a reminder might come in handy.

Fuel injection conversion example 1:

http://www.webcon.co.uk/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=959&cat=Retroject+Kits

Fuel injection conversion example 2:

https://store.jenvey.co.uk/ford-2l-pinto-tbp45-kit-ckfd17-kit

I'm still happily plodding around with Donkey, my 72 wagon with 85 EECIV EFI Pinto, 90 injection head with factory hardened valve seats and Kent cams FR34 injection cam, T9 5-speed, 79 Mustang II 8-inch rearend with 3.40 gears.

LongTimeFordMan

I just relocated to texas a cew years ago from los angeles and have been looking for fun roadtrips..

How far are you from dallas..

Also, have yiu done any of the pinto stamped events
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cossiepinto

FordMan, I'm out in West Texas.  If you're out this way, drop in and we'll do some bench racing.

LongTimeFordMan

Ill try to look up links to spme of the pix ive made of the mods to ign wiring for pertronix and distributor curving mods as well..
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LongTimeFordMan

You can also download and read the pdf  on a phone or pad without printing it..

Then if desired print selected sections

Also Ive been doing a lot of experimentation with tuning, especially distributor, ign and cam timing and there are pix of the mods in my posts..

Feel free to search the posts and comment..
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cossiepinto

Yep, there it is.  $22.  Full of info on both the SOHC and the Cosworth 2.0 engines.

Cheaper than paper and ink for the printer.

Thanks FordMan!

LongTimeFordMan

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cossiepinto

LongTimeFordMan, I was the temporary owner of the Galpin Ford-sponsored Trans Am Pinto.  I talked to the owner/driver George Cheyne once before he passed away about the car.  Then a few years later, I had the opportunity to buy it from a guy who had bought it from Shankle Engineering (they built Cheyne's engines) a few years later.  I think his name was Mike Boyd (North Hollywood, CA).  Neither Mike nor I drove or raced it.  I sold it to John Ed Smith (Knoxville, TN) in the late 90's.  He campaigned it in vintage for a few years, then sold it.  One of the designers/consultants on the car build was Dave Bean (Dave Bean Engineering, San Andreas, CA), who actually flew to Sebring to co-drive the car with Ed Smith on its debute in vintage racing.

I think Ed was the one who sold the Pinto back to Galpin, and it's in their museum now. 

Sorry, but I don't have any of the engine details, except that it was on twin Weber 40mm (maybe 45) DCOEs, dry sumped, etc.  I gave Mr. Smith all the tech sheets when he bought the car.

Henrius, the question was how to modify the 2.0 for performance.  I suggested there's a good source for that info.  I remember that book went out of print for a short while, and the price skyrocketed.  Now it's available again for $69, which would be a good investment if someone were going to spend hundreds/thousands building a 2.0.  I was looking for a replacement for my book, since it was literally coming out of the binding, and I did find it online in a pdf file with a free download.  All it cost was the paper to print it on.  It's probably still out there somewhere.

These engines are not so rare that the "heavy" components aren't available here in the States, either. Most of the advice in the book was on setting timing, distributor mods, carb jetting, etc.  A full-on 2.0 will need side/down draft multiple carbs and camming to complement, along with the heavy-duty parts to make it last. $peed co$t$, so any cheap advice ($69) is a worthy investment.  Or check for the free download, and buy a ream of paper and some ink.

I followed some of the book's suggestions on the Cosworth build in that same book, and I'm sure it saved me more than $69 in my build.

Regards to all, Paul Ramsey (Cossiepinto)

LongTimeFordMan

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evo_208

Thank you all so much...  I thought so...  And yes, My head is at the machine shop to get new hardened seat when they discovered a deep crack in the head.. I will take what ever head I get to the machine shop and have them update it,, And I will look into that cam shaft...  You guys are great..

                                    Thanks
                                               Evo

LongTimeFordMan

If you need a camshaft theres a great place on los angeles that will grind a custom cam from your core. He has a small.shop, has been in business since the 70s and has had a lot of experience with 4 cylinder cams.. You just tell him what you want, power band, intended use and he will grind one for you.

Usually costs under $100 including return shipping. And turn around is usually less than a couple of weeks..

The website is

https://www.americancustomcam.com

Ask for Joseph, tell him Ed Manges referred you..
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LongTimeFordMan

Also, its always a good idea to have hardened seats installed when having a head redone. Costs a little more but worth the cost and effort.

I just had a head done here , complete valve job, new seats, valve guides, cam installed, head milled .040 for $300.

Maybe a little high but done by a good local.shop.

Where are you located evo
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Wittsend


No, it will not fit. They are different engines. Your 2.0 is an EAO engine. The 2.3 sourced 2.0 head they sent you is a Lima engine head that was used in the Ranger. They are different.


Your 2.0 EAO engine was made in Germany.  This link defines the difference (scroll down to 2.0) https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/document.asp?DocID=TECH00149


BTW, got your PM regarding a head. I'll answer it here. No, I don't have just a head. I have a complete engine. While it ran, it smoked quite a bit. The compression was low and some valves had zero or less clearance. So the seats must have a fair degree of recession. In essence the engine needs a rebuild. It is NOT something I will ship. So it is pick up only. I'm in Southern California.


BTW, there seems to be a LOT of mis-information on the Internet.  While the 2.0 EAO engine is "similar" to the 2.0 Lima engine they are completely different as far as parts swapping.

LongTimeFordMan

2.0 head has 3 cam bearings, 2.3 has 4..

Check post by wittsend, he has a complete 2.0 for sale...
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evo_208

I'm gonna ask a dum question...  I'm trying to buy a 2.0 head for my 73...  This company sent me a head with 4 cam bearings and I told them that mine has 3 cam bearings.... They then told me I was wrong and that is the right head and there are 2 overhead cam cyl heads for a 2.0...  I don't think that's true...  and will a 2.3 head fit on a 2.0???

LongTimeFordMan

I made my own manifold for SUs.. i found a set of HIFs from a 72 mgb with manifild and linkage on ebay for $150.  I made the manifold from tubing salvaged from a directv antenna mount and some 1-3/8 emt and some 1/4 steel plates.. 

I posted pics awhile back but heres another..

Btw..  the upgrade to the SUs improved both low end torque and upper rev capacity from 4200 with the stock webber to 6000 with the SUs. And personally i think the SUs are a lot easier to tune than the webber DCOE setups..
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Wittsend

Quote from: Henrius on November 23, 2018, 07:45:58 PM
Nice, but $69 for a paperback? I have got David Vizard's 2.0 upgrade book and it is the Bible. Trouble is, Dave is a Brit and talks about all the parts he could get over there. Some you still can, but heavy engine parts cost a lot to be shipped from England.

Esslinger used to be the go-to place for the Ford 2 liter but no more.  The Pinto Hooker Header is long gone.

LTFM made his own dual SU setup. It is somewhere on this site. Maybe he will post a link. Not everything needs to come from Jolly old England.

Side story: Back in the 1980's I bought an Offenhauser intake at a thrift store for $6.98.  My reasoning was if I ever got a Pinto..., I'd have a nice beginning for modifications.  I had it for over 20 years. Then when I bought my Pinto back in 2007 I dug it out.  I knew I was going to a 2.3 turbo but was curious because the car originally had the 2.0.  Well it turns out it wasn't a Pinto intake it was for a - VEGA.  I looked on line and saw that a few has sold for around $100. So I put mine up at a $9.99 attractive start price and figured it would get bid up. Ahhh..., No! It sold for $9.99. After Ebay fees I probably made $2.00 after holding on to it for 20+ years. Oh w-e-l-l.

LongTimeFordMan

As far as fuel injection..

Megasquirt has universal kits with pump, injectors,  omputer, etc but its a lot of effort to install and calibrate..

A 350 cfm ford 2 bbl or 390 cfm holly works really well.. buy the 2.0 vibrates a lot and the booster venturies tend to work lose after about a  year..

Onereason i went with a pair of SUs.. nothing to wear out..
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Henrius

Quote from: LongTimeFordMan on November 20, 2018, 11:44:12 PM
I was just thinking that since the 2.0 engines are getting rare, perhaps a thread could be started with building tips for them..
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Can't remember where on this forum but there was someone who hot-rodded his 2 liter with fuel injection and had it for sale. I would like to know where he got the parts to do it.
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Henrius

Quote from: cossiepinto on November 23, 2018, 01:21:57 PM
https://www.amazon.com/Power-4-Cylinder-Pinto-Cosworth-Engines/dp/1903706106

Very informative book for building the 2.0 Cosworth, but also the SOHC 2.0 engine. 

Nice, but $69 for a paperback? I have got David Vizard's 2.0 upgrade book and it is the Bible. Trouble is, Dave is a Brit and talks about all the parts he could get over there. Some you still can, but heavy engine parts cost a lot to be shipped from England.

Esslinger used to be the go-to place for the Ford 2 liter but no more.  The Pinto Hooker Header is long gone.
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LongTimeFordMan

I think that someone bere mentioned that he once owned the Galpin Trans AM pinto.. do you know how the engine was set up, what mods, etc
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cossiepinto

https://www.amazon.com/Power-4-Cylinder-Pinto-Cosworth-Engines/dp/1903706106

Very informative book for building the 2.0 Cosworth, but also the SOHC 2.0 engine. 

LongTimeFordMan

I agree.. i think the 2.0 is underestimated in the US , they are still building them in europe.. i agree that 160 hp is doable..  as mentioned brfore simple mods like adjusting cam timing, distributor curve and carbs can add a lot of hp at reasonable cost, my goal is to maybe get some 2.0 enthusiasts together, maybe start a forum specifically for 2.0 to exchange ideas..

I have had exp with 2.0 on cir le tracks and they do well.. onky problem is lack of access to hardware
Red 1973 pinto wagon DD, SoCal desert car, Factory 4 speed, 3.40 gears, Stock engine, 14" rims and tires, 60 K original miles