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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Pan Problems: V8 edition!

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Srt

the interaction between you two and what the car needed is a breathe of fresh air.  if only all of lifes interactions would be so seamless & drama free.
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Reeves1

Happy to see the parts made it there OK & were put to good use. I would never have used them.

Merry Christmas !

entropy

Quote from: Reeves1 on November 10, 2014, 08:42:43 AM
Free pan & pick up should be there soon, if not already....

It arrived and last week I put the engine back in the car.  Today the last bolt was turned, the last hose was checked and the car hit the street for the first time in at least 4 months.  No leaks, tons of clearance at the rack...the car is better than ever and I really owe it all to you.  Thank you!  Because of your selflessness, my little monster lives again...
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

Reeves1

Quote from: entropy on October 12, 2014, 10:17:14 PM
Update.  Picked up a really nice 2-ton cherry picker for next to nothing today....so looks like fixing it right may be able to happen after all.

Free pan & pick up should be there soon, if not already....

russosborne

sounds like you are on your way to a no leak engine. :-)
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

entropy

Update.  Picked up a really nice 2-ton cherry picker for next to nothing today....so looks like fixing it right may be able to happen after all.
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

entropy

Quote from: russosborne on September 20, 2014, 10:26:27 PM
Well, you have to have the cherry picker, you can get by without a stand if you have to.
Sucks, but you can pull the pan while it is on the hoist. Remember, I did say it sucks. But without the hoist you won't need a stand, unless you are thinking about borrowing or renting one. Renting is ok, I used to do it a lot back in the 80's, but you need a friend with a truck to get it home and back if you don't own one yourself.

Russ

Yeah...I meant possibly buy one instead of renting one.  I've found some used ones cheaper than a rental....the only thing holding me back is transporting it from the seller to where the car in my SRT 4...
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

russosborne

Well, you have to have the cherry picker, you can get by without a stand if you have to.
Sucks, but you can pull the pan while it is on the hoist. Remember, I did say it sucks. But without the hoist you won't need a stand, unless you are thinking about borrowing or renting one. Renting is ok, I used to do it a lot back in the 80's, but you need a friend with a truck to get it home and back if you don't own one yourself.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

entropy

Quote from: Reeves1 on September 18, 2014, 05:20:44 AM
Wish I was closer. I'd help you out with pulling the engine & getting this done for you.
Not really a big job , nor does it take long.
Nothing for me to take out/install an engine a half dozen times a day , when fitting one. By myself.

In regards to the pan/pick up.....PM being sent.

I appreciate it, my friend.  I'll find a way.  I'm starting to dig through craigslist to see if I can't dig up a cheap engine stand and possibly a cherry picker.
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

Reeves1

Wish I was closer. I'd help you out with pulling the engine & getting this done for you.
Not really a big job , nor does it take long.
Nothing for me to take out/install an engine a half dozen times a day , when fitting one. By myself.

In regards to the pan/pick up.....PM being sent.

entropy

Quote from: bad bean on September 09, 2014, 11:03:54 PM
Not sure why you didn't put a mustang ll pan on it anyway. But you could try draining oil then clean well put jb weld high heat knead it well push in Crack

Because I didn't do the swap.  That's the pan they used when they built the car in the 80's

As for draining oil/cleaning well/JB Weld suggestion.....that's exactly what failed repair #1 consisted of.  The epoxy popped right off after a 10 minute drive.
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

entropy

Quote from: Reeves1 on September 07, 2014, 05:58:12 PM
Yes there is. Maybe. I have one that has no numbers left. Blasted & checked for pin holes : none.
It came on Ugly Yellow. Someone in the past painted over rust & looked like the rust continued under paint.
No rust left after blasting.
Painted Ford blue.
I'll never use it.
If someone has good pictures of one, PM me for my e-mail, so I can compare.
I already gave the Mll frame mounts away for the same reason: I'd never use them.

Better pans "out there" than the Mll pans.

If you've got the oil pump pickup that goes with it, I'd love to talk price with you...
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

entropy

Quote from: russosborne on September 06, 2014, 09:25:54 PM
Any update?
Thanks,
Russ

Yup....still boned.  Between being broke, demoralized and ambient temps in the 3 digit range, I haven't yet attempted halfassed repair #3 yet....but I will fairly soon.
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

entropy

Quote from: tjm73 on September 01, 2014, 09:41:28 PM
Can you weld or do you have friends that can? Reproduction early oil pans are cheap. Buy a cheapy, clearance it and swap the pans. Ask a local trade school if they could do the modification if you supply the parts and instructions.

I'd bet you can get a used pan off eBay real cheap or a fellow member may even give you one.

If you "fix it till you can really fix it" and it holds, you will most likely never really fix it.

Swapping pans isn't really an option without pulling the engine...and I don't have the ability to pull the engine right now.  As for never really fixing it, that would happen a few years down the road when my financial and living situation allow me to pull the engine and go bigger.....but that time is not now.
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

entropy

Quote from: russosborne on August 29, 2014, 02:38:17 PM
Hey, that is my line.  ;D

I feel your pain. That is exactly the same situation that I am in. :(

I'm surprised that the JB Weld didn't work. This is just a wild ash thought. Do you have a propane torch? Maybe you could solder the crack. It would have to be spotless with no oil at all for it to even have a chance. I don't know if this is even possible, but maybe someone else can chime in.

On second thought, I really like Pinto 5.0's idea. JB Weld really does work, the surface has to be totally free of any oil though.

Russ

Yeah...after I drained it, I let it sit for half a week to completely drain out, then hit it with everything from lacquer thinner to brake cleaner....and apparently it wasn't enough to get all the Mobil 1 off...
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

bad bean

Not sure why you didn't put a mustang ll pan on it anyway. But you could try draining oil then clean well put jb weld high heat knead it well push in Crack

Reeves1

I'd have to take pictures of it to confirm it is an Mll pan (post them here).
I also saved the pick up.

Keeping in mind it is NOT smooth steel, due to past rusting......maybe $50.00 + shipping ?
Not worth much to me, and I know 100% that I'd never use it.

However...... I would rather it go to a person that really needs it, rather than someone who merely wants to get it for re-sale to make money.
That is why I posted it here, in case it could help entropy, due to limited funds........or someone in need.

All my cars get the Milodon pan. More oil is a good thing.

dick1172762

So how cheap is cheap for the Mustang II pan????
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Reeves1

True....but if the other pan I have is a true Mll pan, I'd let it go cheap.

dick1172762

That's a loooong way from being cheap.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Reeves1


Reeves1

Quote from: dick1172762 on September 07, 2014, 02:13:11 PM
There is no cheap Mustang II V-8 oil pan.

Yes there is. Maybe. I have one that has no numbers left. Blasted & checked for pin holes : none.
It came on Ugly Yellow. Someone in the past painted over rust & looked like the rust continued under paint.
No rust left after blasting.
Painted Ford blue.
I'll never use it.
If someone has good pictures of one, PM me for my e-mail, so I can compare.
I already gave the Mll frame mounts away for the same reason: I'd never use them.

Better pans "out there" than the Mll pans.

dick1172762

There is no cheap Mustang II V-8 oil pan.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

russosborne

Quote from: entropy on August 29, 2014, 01:49:47 AM
Yeah....that's what I thought the first time I tried to repair it.  And the second.  I'll let you know after the third...

Any update?
Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

tjm73

Can you weld or do you have friends that can? Reproduction early oil pans are cheap. Buy a cheapy, clearance it and swap the pans. Ask a local trade school if they could do the modification if you supply the parts and instructions.

I'd bet you can get a used pan off eBay real cheap or a fellow member may even give you one.

If you "fix it till you can really fix it" and it holds, you will most likely never really fix it.

russosborne

Quote from: entropy on August 27, 2014, 03:59:22 AM
The problem is that, at the moment, I don't own a cherry picker or an engine stand, nor do I have anyplace I can store said engine once it's out while I do the work and clean it up.  This is, at the moment, a car on jackstands, making due with hand-tools, at a house I don't own, doing repairs with no money kind of deal.  Hence the looking to hack it together well enough to last until I'm working and can do it right.

Hey, that is my line.  ;D

I feel your pain. That is exactly the same situation that I am in. :(

I'm surprised that the JB Weld didn't work. This is just a wild ash thought. Do you have a propane torch? Maybe you could solder the crack. It would have to be spotless with no oil at all for it to even have a chance. I don't know if this is even possible, but maybe someone else can chime in.

On second thought, I really like Pinto 5.0's idea. JB Weld really does work, the surface has to be totally free of any oil though.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

entropy

Quote from: dga57 on August 29, 2014, 12:11:47 AM
Sounds like a simple enough repair!

Dwayne :)

Yeah....that's what I thought the first time I tried to repair it.  And the second.  I'll let you know after the third...
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

dga57

Sounds like a simple enough repair!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pinto5.0

I repaired a cracked fuel tank in my semi years ago that lasted 300,000 plus miles with aluminum foil & JB Weld.   

I roughed up an area way larger than the crack with 80 grit, got it spotless with lacquer thinner then spread a layer of epoxy over an area an inch larger than the crack & put a piece of thick Reynolds wrap over the epoxy & squeegeed it to remove air bubbles but not hard enough to remove the epoxy.

I repeated this 2 more times expanding the patch by an inch each time letting it thoroughly dry each time. This repair held back 150 gallons of diesel fuel for years without a leak & it was on the bottom of the tank.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

entropy

Quote from: Reeves1 on August 26, 2014, 05:04:31 PM
Doubt you can pull the engine with headers on (and you wouldn't want/need to anyway).

I know I can pull an engine in 2-3 hours, by myself.
Hard to say one line how I do it.

No cost to pull it.

Cost after it's out is small. New header gaskets & welding the pan, if you do not have a welder....new pan gaskets.
In all, less than the cost of a tank of gas.

Pull it & do it right.

The problem is that, at the moment, I don't own a cherry picker or an engine stand, nor do I have anyplace I can store said engine once it's out while I do the work and clean it up.  This is, at the moment, a car on jackstands, making due with hand-tools, at a house I don't own, doing repairs with no money kind of deal.  Hence the looking to hack it together well enough to last until I'm working and can do it right.
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray