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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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blupinto

Thank you Iffy! I like their colors too. ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Honestly I would suggest not using any stop leak. i have found it to be true that if it will stop a leak in a radiator it can plug up the cooling system, and even cause a problem with your heater core.

That stuff is also nearly impossible to flush out after you get the leak fixed. Just my opinion
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

75bobcatv6

Dont use the plastic pellets one. I forget the name but its a real pain to clean out. the Alumaseal is ok.

blupinto

The Pinto Sisters both have radiator leaks!  :'( JuJu has a pinhole leak in the upper front of hers, and Wildfire (who didn't want to start this morning!) has a leak on top. This might be the cap, as there's coolant in that gutter area on top of radiator and the overflow hose appears hole-free. Kragen has lots of stop-leak stuff for radiators. Any suggestions which one's best? Money is once again tight so I can't get another radiator now.  :'(
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Ooooh, almost forgot...

This thrilled my eyes and warmed my heart when I glanced over the fence this morning...
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

I'm sure Wildfire will do you proud!!!

Can't wait to meet you!!! See you tomorrow!!!! ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

WHEW!

        I debated on bringing JuJu Bean/Lucky/Chia Pet (lol) to Knotts today. I had no doubt she'd make it, but ME...
I had fun holding bags to get stuffed and met lots of fun people (and had to endure grumblings from disgruntled unhappy people because of achy backs, going back into line time after time...) but overall a pleasant experience. After the stuffing was over and lunch was consumed I was at loose ends. I had no idea how to get to Alberto's place, and I couldn't find a payphone for nothing, and I didn't remember Kim's accomodations and wasn't sure when she was due in. It was hot, JuJu was getting cranky. I WAS cranky, so we came home. Overall I'm real proud of my little green wagon. I'm hoping Wildfire will do well tomorrow! KNOTTS OR BUST!
One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

Quote from: blupinto on April 16, 2009, 09:42:40 PM
         I noticed last night- to my chagrin- the normal beams of the headlights don't work. Only the high beams. I'll bet I made a few friends on the road last night! ::)


But at least YOU could see where YOU were going! :lol:

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

I let a friend take her for a spin today, and he said the gas pedal is stiff- by the time the car responds the engine's already racing. He thinks the spring (accelerator) needs to be loosened. He did say it brought back memories from when he had a Pinto.

         I noticed last night- to my chagrin- the normal beams of the headlights don't work. Only the high beams. I'll bet I made a few friends on the road last night! ::)
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

the nissan that i had grabbed at Just about 1/2 inch off the floor and you always felt it. it was a 1997 btw =)

dave1987

Clutch has come a long way since the 70s, that's for sure! I just don't like driving newer cars because the clutch is TOO smooth. When letting the clutch back out, I can't feel the friction point like I do on my Pinto, so half way through the pedal stroke I stopping trying to feel the car pull and I just let it out, hoping it grabbed. Driving in hope that the car is operating how I expect it to just isn't fun.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

I can't say whether mine is stiff or not... once I get her going, though, she goes, and the shifting is pretty easy.  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

first car i had that was a manual was stiff as hell, loved it. and it was a nissan lol. i had a friend that had a 84 rx-7 when i was in high school with a manual choke so yea that can be fun =)

dga57

Hi Becky and Dave!

Nobody asked me, but I'll weigh in anyway since I'm old enough to remember how these cars drove when they were new.  The clutch in a Pinto is pretty much normal feeling for its era... similar to what you might find in a small pickup today.  My eldest daughter bought a Hyundai Accent a few years back and stepping on the clutch pedal in it feels more like stepping on a marshmallow - no resistance whatsoever!  I guess I'm old-school, but I like the more primitive clutch too.  At least you feel like you're driving a car, not a toy!

Becky, if the "twerp" didn't know how to use a manual choke, and that's what your car has, it could easily explain his stalling problem!  As for my wife, she's feeling a little better than she was over the weekend.  Long-term improvement, however, isn't likely.  She suffered a pretty major stroke a little over two years ago (at age 46) and has been in a steady decline healthwise ever since.  We just take one day at a time!

Have a great weekend at Knott's!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dave1987

Exactly my observations. Lucky for me my Pinto was the first clutch I had ever driven. After that I got to drive my brothers 89' Mercury Tracer, sister's 87' Mazda 626, and my bothers 91' Honda Civic. I have also driving one of my friend's haundai's and the friction point is right between flooring the pedal and it's relaxed state. Not only that, but it is also much smoother and doesn't require nearly as much effort to push in as my Pinto does, making shifting much smoother and easier. None of these have a hydraulic clutch, BTW.

Me personally, I like the harshness of the old Ford clutch, makes the car feel a little more like a muscle/classic car! ;D :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

I can't say. This is the only stick shift I've ever driven. I know I "dump" the clutch more than I like and the friction (?) point is almost to the top of where the clutch pedal is at rest.  :look:
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

So Becky, is it just me or is the Pinto clutch more sensitive and stiff compared to other cars?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

Thank you Dwayne! That's awesome of you to say that! I hope your wife is much better and you all (and everybody else! ;D) had a very nice Easter. The Twerp who traded with me (you see I haven't forgiven him!) told me she stalls three or four times before she'll stay on. Guess he doesn't know the Pinto starting procedure. This morning I only had to turn her key once and she was running.

            I gave her a bath today and found out she has primer on her lower doors and front quarter panels. Her windows (the ones that roll up/down) have terrible rain channels (the rubber pieces that meet the window at the bottom) so she's had rust issues, I assume. Her tailgate leaks badly, so I'll need to deal with that too. Meanwhile, I'm getting better at driving her!  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

Hey Becky!

Congratulations on sealing the deal on the wagon.  I just knew somehow you'd pull it off!!!  I haven't been on here since last week (wife got sick, then Easter, then in-laws showed up to visit) and never knew the final outcome of your negotiations.  Hope the diagnostic stuff doesn't uncover anything too major.  It's certainly a good-looking car.  That shag carpeting is a blast!  I agree with the others - it appears someone added a manual choke... not particularly uncommon, or even a really bad thing for a daily driver.  Get the hang of that, as well as the clutch, and you'll be zipping around with ease before long.

My fingers and toes ache from being crossed so long but, for you, I'll keep them crossed until you dig into the diagnostics :lol:.

Seriously, have a ball at Knotts!  If I didn't have to work this weekend, I'd be tempted to fly out there just to meet the west coast gang!  Maybe next year!

Congratulations!

Dwayne :smile:

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dave1987

Documentation is about the only thing that can show if a motor has been rebuilt or not. But then, only if you have receipts if it was done by previous owners, or car fax it if it was done by a shop.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

Sound off? Poooof.... that was the sound of my head exploding...

I'm still quite the novice, though I thank you for having that much faith in me... ::) I won't be doing any of that stuff til after the FabFord thing.  I was asking if there's anything external that One could see and know an engine's been rebuilt. Jerry next door says no, so I'm going to do the lead substitute thing just to be safe.
One can never have too many Pintos!

Pintosopher

Becky,
It sounds like the Prev owner was treating the car like a Toaster, use it until it can't serve him any more "bread".
  That being said ( Holy Crap! I'm being judgemental!) There's a bunch of things to do at this point:

Remove cam cover look for scored cam & followers
verify compression by cylinder
leakdown test by cylinder
  Bore scope inspection to check cylinder walls

If all of the above are good, Where is the Missing oil? Heavy consumption or leakage?
Did the oil find its way into the antifreeze, Head gasket ,cracked head, or block?

Can we assume this guy ever changed the oil properly? Right length Dipstick?
Drain oil and measure amount present.

The Leakdown test would answer some of the "valves/unleaded gas issue"

Measuring an engine without disassembly for discerning rebuild status is not very accurate for all intents. You need to pull the cylinder head and go from there. This requires some knowledge & measuring  equipment for best results.

Sounds intimidating, but JuJu Bean is now in your driveway, let the full diagnostic power of these community help you down that road.

Sound off all you Master techs..

Pintosopher

 
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

blupinto

Yes it is astroturf. I call it "my paddock away from home". lol. It also goes by "my greener pasture".

On another note, Mama was very unhappy yesterday morning- the first actual day I had my beautiful new baby. I went to check her fluids and  get an eyeful of 2.0 memories when I pulled her dipstick to check the oil. Oh sorry. I guess I meant check the air in the oil pan- BECAUSE THERE WAS NO OIL ON THE #@*^&$%!^* DIPSTICK!!!  >:( Oooh Mama was mad. Then when I went to explore every inch of the rear area I noticed there was moisture on the carpeting. When I lifted it up there was rust, moisture, mold, mildew, etc. The little twerp who traded it to me teaches kayaking in high schools and surfs on his time. The carpet and astroturf have been airing out for two days now. >:( The worst was the lack of oil. It's a miracle the engine didn't seize. AND he called her ugly!  >:( >:( >:(

    Now a question for the seasoned veterans and gearheads: is there a way to know if an engine was rebuilt at one time? The twerp had her for all of three months and fed her unleaded gas and no lead additive. Should I worry?
One can never have too many Pintos!

discolives78

 :welcome: Juju Bean!

That's the same color inside and out as my 74 wagon! If it weren't for the narrow bumpers, that 'massaged' front fender, and the lack of bmw 2002 hubcaps, I would swear that was my car! Is that astroturf? Aftermarket choke, very common. I used one for a while, I had trouble getting the choke to open after I closed it. Ended up fixing the stock electric one. Those 2.o's are a blast to drive! I swear they take off faster than the 2.3, they just run out of breath sooner, but around town, that's ok! You need a couple pedal pads!

Very nice find! :)
Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

Pintosopher

Oooh ,
Another ally in the 2.0l Horsey power revolution! AHH ,Have we got ideas for you and JuJu and your street will bear the marks of your rapid gallop away! :hypno:

Horseypower, by thunder, we need Horsey with much power Tonto :evil:

Pintosopher  CFM  (could find more) to the Max :drunk:
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

blupinto

 :lol: You guys are too much!  :lol:
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

I know it snows in Santa Ysabel (it's in the local mountains) It probably doesn't go below 0 though.

  I have a feeling that the tailgate and rear bumper are not hers originally. However, she does have a functional heater and a powerful 2.0 engine! Whoooopeeee!!!!!! :drunk: :D
One can never have too many Pintos!

Pintosopher

Becky,
My guess would be a Choke cable too! Many people would jury rig those up to compensate for poorly maintained carbs with badly maintained ( water heated Chokes) and just remove the OEM choke linkage.

MR Hanto ,
 The Only HO's that I find that really work Are H.O. ( High Output) Your ride has one of these underhood. We should all be so Lucky to have 2 bumpsticks in the Head!

Corraled by the Philly and Pulling weeds,

Pintosopher

Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

r4pinto

Could be.. The choke coil prolly went out at one time & instead of buying a new choke for it they rigged a choke cable to help during cold weather driveability. I have heard of it being done out here, but it also gets much colder in Ohio.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

Thank you.

While contemplating things in the driver's seat I recalled that this car lived in Santa Ysabel for a while and it gets a mite cold there. Is there any merit there?
One can never have too many Pintos!