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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dick1172762

Well I got the part of the world right. Opel instead of Volvo. Thanks for the post Hairball.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Hairball

The water pump is a Snow White, made from an Opel.
It moves the water outlet to the other side


Link


http://www.snowwhiteltd.com/products.html




http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Snow-White-Small-Block-Ford-Shorty-Water-Pump-2-Groove-Pulley,58832.html




The two cars I built, I ground the tit down on the water pump to about 1/8 inch.
I used thin head bolts on the pulley with NO lock washers. I use red locktite.
I used V6 pinto radiators in the stock location ans did not cut the core support.
I used an electric pusher fan in front after trimming the rubber bumper piece.


This gave me 3/8 inch clearance between the pulley bolt and the rad.
Nice green 1977 cruising wagon wanted

amc49

ADDCO, jic somebody does a search.........................

dick1172762

The Mustang II (V-8) front sway bar is already bent to clear the oil pan with no mods necessary. The bar really hangs down right in front of the oil pan. 2.3 Mustang II don't have this mod and will not clear a V-8 oil pan. There was an export 1" V-8 sway bar sold over the counter. So now all you need is a V-8 Mustang II sway bar. I'm pretty sure ADCO makes one for the V-8 cars.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Pinto5.0

I think the MII front sway bar needs heating & bending to fit.

My 79 V8 car just had the bar spaced with a stack of washers on longer bolts. I didn't do it but it worked fine
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'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
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pinto_one

no you do not have to remove the sway bar, you have to make a one inch thick spacer out of aluminum for the sway bar clamps to bolt on, it will drop just a tad below the oil pan , which is good to protect the pan from parking lot bumper stops and other low things , use the mustang two bar , it is thicker and from memory almost a inch think , and if you find one see if it has the rear sway bar also, I know some with the 5.0 had them , I do not know if racer walch still has them in stock anymore , if you have a 74 to 76 pinto use the 77 to 78 front and rear bumpers , they will save you some weight , hope this helps
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

russosborne

Quote from: pinto_one on October 15, 2014, 09:16:03 AM
next one was a 74 wagon, mustang II V8 front springs and 8 inch rear, large sway bars front and back, machined front and rear hubs for five lug pattern so I could use 14 inch mag wheels

Could you give some more details on the front sway bar? I have gotten the impression that most think the V8 swap means you have to remove the sway bar in front.
I have a 74 wagon that I am doing the swap in.
Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

Reeves1

Quote from: dick1172762 on October 15, 2014, 08:09:21 AM
Thanks Reeves1. Do you have a link to the Volvo water pump conversion for a small block Ford engine? Someone posted it on this site several years ago. It gave you even more clearance. Thanks again.

News to me. Never heard about that.

I also looked into electric water pumps. All the ones I found were taller/longer than the short one I posted.

pinto_one

This post caught my eye on the V-8 swaps, and my reply I have done a few over the years , I have seen some too, a few that were well done and too many that were just a shame for the car they just wasted trying to do so , poor pick of parts used and extreme cutting up the car to make things fit, not the right way , most people complane that the car does not handle well with a V-8 , well not on the wimpy stock front tires you wont , and the front springs too have to be changed , back in 71 when I done my first one the only wheels you could find were wider 13 inch rims and wider tires , it was fair but not great , next one was a 74 wagon, mustang II V8 front springs and 8 inch rear, large sway bars front and back, machined front and rear hubs for five lug pattern so I could use 14 inch mag wheels , looked much better in those large fenders the pinto has , now could hang with corvettes in the corners , now years later I have a V6 pinto , TBI injection and a A4LD installed (looking for gas mileage now) and does very well , they are two light weight bolt in engines that would be light and fill the bill , first would be the cosworth ford 2.9 , to replace the stock 2.8 , 200hp stock, next would be the 4.0 , yes it will all bolt up, have to mod the 2.8 oil pan on one side to make it work, just my two cents , my only remake is don't cut up the car and waste it, do it very neatly , make it look like it can from the factory with a V8 , later guys
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

dick1172762

Thanks Reeves1. Do you have a link to the Volvo water pump conversion for a small block Ford engine? Someone posted it on this site several years ago. It gave you even more clearance. Thanks again.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Reeves1

Quote from: dick1172762 on October 14, 2014, 09:36:25 PM
      Can you get us a little closer on that white car water pump post.

I think this is the one:

http://www.fordracingpartsdirect.com/STREET_ROD_SHORT_V_BELT_WATER_PUMP_p/m-8501-e351s.htm

Very minimum you have to change the crank pulley as well. I changed all & got them from here:

http://www.cvfracing.com/ford-small-block-pulleys-s/165.htm

dick1172762

Quote from: Reeves1 on September 26, 2014, 06:31:58 PM
Have to remember the weight of a V8 moves it forward. Everything is. Even the rad goes in front of the rad support.

As far as an aluminum water pump, lots made. If you look in my topic on the white car, you will find the numbers for a short one, that gives an extra 1.5" of clearance.
Can you get us a little closer on that white car water pump post.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

randyg

I have a V-8 in my 71 and it is brutally fast. I agree with the handling part. It can be downright scary. Now if I had it to do over again, here is what I would do. Find a 305 hp 3.7 v6 from a 2011 or new Mustang and put it in the Pinto. Im not sure of the dimensions but I dont have fenderwells, just tubing to deal with. My 13stang with the v6 and a tune with 4.10 gears rips most 2010 and older stangs.
Randy
Just a 289......

Reeves1

Have to remember the weight of a V8 moves it forward. Everything is. Even the rad goes in front of the rad support.

As far as an aluminum water pump, lots made. If you look in my topic on the white car, you will find the numbers for a short one, that gives an extra 1.5" of clearance.

Pinto5.0

An assumption is being made that a stock Pinto with a 2.3L actually handles well. They don't. My 95 Neon 4 door work car can turn circles around any of my Pintos
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'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

bob hess

If we plug in the above weights . ( non turbo ) 2.3 L engine as a factory weight of very near 400 - 420 lbs. Vs. a 289-302 of 460 lbs.  Some are saying the 40 - 60 lbs . is making a big difference in the handling of a 2400 lb. Pinto.
So ,one moves the battery , replaces with alum. : intake , heads , oil pan , all pulleys , light weight flywheel (and if one can find it ) an alum water pump . Now the pricey part :Finding a pro drag racing fiberglass tilt front end .
Any flaw in this ??
Other then the fiberglass front end & the aluminum heads , it should be within a fair budget .
SOOOOOOOOOOOO , unless I missed a big item . Why are so many saying the 302 swap is such a bad idea for a part time drag car that can "  handle "  the rest of the time . From the # of readers I see , there is a lot of interest in a small V-8 Pinto  that can handle .So why hasn't anyone out lined  this in print ? As a do able swap ?

dick1172762

On April 4 2014, Chopchop weighed his 2.3 complete less power steering pump, clutch disk and pressure plate but with flywheel. It weighed 386 lbs. Look up Chopchop posting to see more.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Pinto5.0

I can lift & move a 2.3 shortblock myself & carry the head easily. Even dressed I'd be amazed if it's 315 pounds. I'd believe 260-ish
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'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

65ShelbyClone

Quote from: Clydesdale80 on September 24, 2014, 10:15:53 AM
He said that a 2.3 TURBO weighs close to a 302, not a n/a 2.3, Pintos never came with a turbo 2.3

My point was that a 2.3T makes the car a lot more nose-heavy and a 302 weighs more than a 2.3T, therefore _____.

I've seen mention that a 2.3NA is in the 315lb range, but I find that hard to believe. All the iron and steel hung on the exhaust side of a 2.3T does not amount to 135lbs+. Ergo, either a 2.3T is a lot lighter than everyone thinks or a 2.3NA is a lot heavier than 315.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

dick1172762

Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Pinto5.0

It would take some meticulous weighing on every part of a V8 swap to prove it but my guess is that a 302 with aluminum heads & intake, headers instead of manifolds & a lightweight flywheel could probably come within 50 pounds of a stock 2.3 turbo with steel flywheel, T3/stock manifold & stock intercooler but a stock 2.3 is a lot lighter than the 2.3T.

A little weight would be farther forward but eliminating the battery & a heavy bumper could counteract that. That said, I doubt it could handle as well as an N/A 2.0 or 2.3 would because those are still easily 100 pounds lighter. 100 pounds doesn't sound like much on a 4000 pound car but a Pinto weighs 2400 so that weight combined with it's placement can definitely affect handling.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Clydesdale80

He said that a 2.3 TURBO weighs close to a 302, not a n/a 2.3, Pintos never came with a turbo 2.3
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

Pintocrazed

GOOD HANDLING OR BAD HANDLING WHAT DOES IT MATTER YOU WANT A V8 PINTO BUILD IT.

bob hess

Is that the truth ? that a 2.3 L is only 20 pounds less then a 302 ?
And didn't the 2.3 L come in the 79-80 Pintos ?
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO , why would a (302) V-8 swap  NOT WORK in a 79 - 80 Pinto ?
You can move the battery to the trunk , and there is most of your extra 20 pounds .
Sorry guys . But I'm still not seeing why the v-8 swap would kill the handling so .
That's assuming the 2.3L / 302 , 20 pound thing is true .
PLEASE HELP BEFORE I NEED TO GO BACK THE MY OLD MUSTANG CLUB .
I really do love the little Pinto ( Had one about 10 yrs. ago ). But just can't do the 4 banger thing.

65ShelbyClone

Part of the problem is that a V8 puts a larger portion of the car's weigh on the front tires. A V8 wagon would probably handle a little better than a V8 hatch/sedan.

I hate to say this, but GM's modern all-aluminum pushrod V8s are the lightest and smallest you're going to find short of an old Buick 215 or Rover.

I can tell you this, my '72 is noticeably more nose-heavy with just a 2.3T swap (over the 2.0) and I haven't even driven it yet. Word around the campfire is that a 2.3T is only 10-20lbs lighter than a 5.0 of the same vintage.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

dick1172762

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on September 21, 2014, 07:09:43 PM
MII road racers were heavily modded. Stock ones handled like dog poo.
That's for sure!
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Pinto5.0

MII road racers were heavily modded. Stock ones handled like dog poo.
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'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

dick1172762

Mustang II is a much heavier car by several hundred pounds. Never seen one at an autocross or road race in the past 40 years.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

bob hess

Thanks guys , for your feedback . So from what I count , 75-25% say the best I can expect from a ( affordable ) V8 swap , is a car that will handle as poorly as a big block mustang . Being new to the Pinto club ( but life long Ford man ) it is still hard to understand way the  ( small V8 swap ) pinto handles sooooo poorly when the Must. II ( factory V8 ) seems to handle fine. They just don't look that much different when you look at them side by side .  Or dose the Must. II have handling problems too ?
Or is it all a matter of how far forward the V8 sits in the Pinto Vs. the Must. II ?

pintoman1972

Bob,

It's all a matter of what you want the car to do, how much time and money you are willing to spend and then following through on it.

Does my Blown V-8 Pinto handle corners well?  No because it was not built to corner.  It was built to go fast and streight.

This Pavement Pounding Pinto is now retired from drag racing and is street legal for cruise nights and car shows.

Build time, 2 1/2 years
Did it cost a lot of money, yep.
Is it fast, plenty.
Does it stop well, sure.
Is it reliable, yep
Does it get instant attention, yes.

Good gas milage, no.
Lots of maintenance, yes
Long road trips, on the trailer.

So make a list of what you want the car to do, and then you can make decisions was to how to build and so on.

Dick