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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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tintmaster

Just found a motor with 17,000 miles out of a '07 Focus. Can get it with ECU and harness for $650!!! Now just need more business....
C. Eugene Brown

Reeves1

Wife's Rangers have 4:88s . Main reason they are so snappy !

She wrote off (she is OK) an 07. I wanted the truck back for the rad to rear diff for a beater car (Pinto) for "fun" & no worries about our gravel roads.
No luck. Insurance co. made it so I couldn't get it back.

blink77

I just put together 2010 Ranger with a 4 cyl Duratec with auto trans.(built from a wreck)
I drove it for the first time today. That thing flies. The thing would make a Pinto fly also.
The only thing that keeps me from this swap is the oil pan. I see NO REASONABLE
solution for this. The boys from across the pond make a "tin" pan, but it is for a rear sump.
Anyone who knows of a reasonable plan I'd love to hear from you. I do know the trans
tunnel would have to be seriously modified to accommodate the trans, but does that thing
ever shift.
Bill

Rob3865

I read Duratec and got all excited. I thought you were talkin about one of these.


Wittsend

Regarding the $200 for the transmission; Pick Your Part wants $140 + $15 core + State tax (about $12 here) + their "environmental fee" which I'll estimate at about $10. That would be about $192 and you have to pull it yourself.

  They do have a monthly 50% off sale that would probably bring it down to about $110.  But if they don't have one during the sale period you can't really factor that.  I'd say your $200 cost is a decent price.

I haven't take the time to read all the links, but I recall years ago there were a few people in Australia that cast bellhousings to adapt a fair number of engines to different transmissions.

I could see a real market for a three piece, modular bellhousing.  The center section could have a common bolt pattern to the engine/transmission sections.  Then the bolt configuration at the bellhousing/transmission end pieces would only need to be a few inches deep and CNC'ed from a flat plate.  Sort of like the plate fits the engine, another plate fits the trans and a common bolt pattern center section bolts the two ends together.  There may be a need for a few different length center sections, but the minor differences can be made up in the end plates.

bbobcat75

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1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

tintmaster

Love this thread. Ironman, have you completed the conversion yet?


I have a '77 Pinto that I am wanting to do this swap in. But I want to use a C4, as I have bad hips and shifting is out. I plan on just doing the engine swap for now. Then gather everything to do a turbo. Also was wondering if this oil pan will work?


http://www.retro-ford.co.uk/shop/content/zetec-rwd-wet-sump-z007




I will be using a Megasquirt engine management. Unless I can get stock ECU and harness cheap enough.
C. Eugene Brown

oldkayaker

There is becoming a lot of info on the web for this engine, but it is still relatively expensive.  Pintosopher, I believe this is the site you were referring to.  Hope these links work.
http://www.rwdmotorsport.com/index.php
While looking around found a few more interesting sites.
http://retroford.co.uk/shop2/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=5493c520ec9970255b38027595685084
http://htperformance.net/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=11&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1
and the site referenced a page or two ago:
http://quad4rods.com/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=2&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=100041
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

Pintosopher

Cromcru &SRT

I can't get the link to attach and still open properly. Use the Search terms to locate and open the link from there.
Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Pintosopher

SRT,
Similar products, But not the Co I had in mind. That site in your link is oriented towards Seven replicas. I'll try to get it Right and resend the link.

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Srt

the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Pintosopher

Quote from: cromcru on February 22, 2010, 10:11:41 PM
hey pintosopher what is the url for their website. i have had no luck in finding it.
I believe it's www.rwdmotorsports.co.uk  bit if that doesn't work try google and use Duratec conversion as the search terms. Their site was shut down until the 17th for " Holiday" It might be back up now.

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

cromcru

hey pintosopher what is the url for their website. i have had no luck in finding it.
79 bobcat  78 ford pinto station wagon   93 ford mustang lx   90 ford mustang cont lx  63 chevy truck    52 studebaker 2r16a

Pintosopher

Hey Ironman,
Where are you on this project? Have you seen the Duratec goodies on RWD Motorsports UK website? They have the pan and Oil pickup made up. They also have the Bellhousings for different trans apps too.

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

turbopinto72

Ironman, Please contact me. Thanks
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Ironman

Quote from: dholvrsn on August 27, 2008, 08:18:29 PM
BTW, don't know if this helps but: http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_fromZR46QQ_sopZ10?_nkw=miata+transmission&_fromfsb=0&_trksid=m270.l1311

Thanks for takin the time to look,..
I wish I could get what I need for those prices. Unfortunately the transmission has to come from a 2006 or newer, and would cost 2/3s of my budget.


Mick
Ironman

dholvrsn

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Ironman

Howdy all, I had a few days to ponder and do research,..

My original goal was to have a little twin cam light weight road rocket. That goal is still primary. Its definitely achievable if I throw enough money at it. But as this project progresses, I want more and more to make this a project thats in the affordability range to the average guy.

There is no way around the initial cost of the engine, transmission, or bellhousing, those are all big money Items that you simply have to step up for. They're total cost is a significant  part of the project. however there are three other major expenses,.. oil pan modifications, fuel delivery system, and ignition. those componets expense can easily dwarf the cost of the "running gear".
The Oil pan alone is quoted at 4+ hours weld time to make clearance and oil capacity mods, plus your own time making parts and getting it to the point its suitable for welding. It must be built on a jig, (or engine block) it must be stress relieved and then have the voids and crevices back filled with epoxy to promote smooth oil return. The Induction is a whole nother story, It can rapidly climb over $1,000.oo,.... in fact trying to stay under 1,000 using whats available is difficult, but not impossible.

There needed to be another way,.. I woke up one morning thinking about model cars, and it came to me. PLASTIC!!
(well kinda),...Polymers, (casting and laminating resins).
My valve cover is made of the stuff allready,.. and so is my intake.
I did some research and found resins that are stronger than aluminum that can withstand engine heats (for application) and chemicals, gas/oil/solvent.
And the cost for a gallon is less than one hour of welding. I am going to try and make a model of the oilpan I want,.. and make a mold. The beauty is I can design the sump anyway I choose to fit any application or volume of oil.

To solve the problem of expense in the induction department an intake manifold needs to be built that will accept a stock throttle body in the pinto chassis. This should be simplified a little since the stock manifold is a polymer, and can be cut down to yield a base plate that accepts stock sealing techniques, and a viable cross section to calculate runner taper. The result should be a very significant jump in hp with a very favorable side effect,.. the option to cut cost dramatically.
Using all oem parts would allow the use of the stock computer. At that point Painless Wiring could make you a harness for about $350 and flash your ECM for a performance update.No need for a stand alone system with a wide band o2 sensor. That route would still be available to anyone that wanted to wick even more hp, but the basic road rocket package could be achieved for several hundred dollars less, and give you easily obtainable inexpensive replacement parts.
I'm  guessing,.. but from what I've read that makes power in these engines, an improved intake manifold with an ECM mod to a stock system should be good for nearly 200 hp.

I'm going to try the polymer route,.. If I can produce a high quality part that I can replicate, it makes this conversion a more realistic option for anyone that would want to try it.

Mick
Ironman

Ironman

Quote from: dholvrsn on August 25, 2008, 03:09:48 PM
Take it that you can't find a Miata with tranny in the junk yard.

Found em,.. just cost 2/3 of my budget before shipping
Ironman

dholvrsn

Take it that you can't find a Miata with tranny in the junk yard.
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'80 trunk model. '17-on
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Ironman

It will be a couple years before miata trannys will be a cost effective alternative for a Duratec conversion.

Moving ahead with the specialized bellhousing.
Ironman

Ironman

Quote from: dholvrsn on August 24, 2008, 04:45:22 AM
So you are going to that *two* parts that are more expensive than that welded pan now....  :laugh:

Ok,.. maybe a couple parts might cost more.  :P

Ironman

dholvrsn

So you are going to have *two* parts that are more expensive than that welded pan now....  :laugh:
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
-----
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'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

Ironman

Quote from: dholvrsn on August 23, 2008, 04:38:04 PM
What's the other one?

Do they need to be thawed out coming from the great frigid north?


brrrrrrrrrrrr! 

They had a five and a six speed. I'll try to reach them monday, I'm sure I wont even flinch at the price :reek:
Ironman

dholvrsn

What's the other one?

Do they need to be thawed out coming from the great frigid north?
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'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
-----
'98 Dodge Ram 1500
'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

Ironman

I just got off the phone with a mazda parts locator,.. lol your gonna love this, he found only 2,.. and they are in Quebec.
But 1 is a 6 speed!!
Ironman

Ironman

Quote from: oldkayaker on August 23, 2008, 07:45:15 AM
This is a long shot but may be an alternative to the specialized bell housing. 
This Wikipedia site indicates that the Duratec is a MZR family engine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duratec 
Another Wikipedia site sayes the MZR engine came in the Mazda MX-5 (third generation Miata, 2006 to present) which I believe is still rear wheel drive:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_MZR_engine#Duratec
This thread seems to indicate they are the same engine: http://www.good-win-racing.com/mazda-talk/viewtopic.php?t=795&highlight=mzr

If the above is correct, the Miata shifter should be in a better location.  Unfortunately finding that late a model car in the junk yard probably will be difficult and expensive.



Great tip Oldkayaker,..
I would guess that would be the way to go, if price isnt largely different from what I'm looking at now. I would think  the clutch issues would be easily resolved.
Ironman

apintonut

Quote from: oldkayaker on August 23, 2008, 07:45:15 AM
This is a long shot but may be an alternative to the specialized bell housing. 
This Wikipedia site indicates that the Duratec is a MZR family engine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duratec 
Another Wikipedia site sayes the MZR engine came in the Mazda MX-5 (third generation Miata, 2006 to present) which I believe is still rear wheel drive:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_MZR_engine#Duratec
This thread seems to indicate they are the same engine: http://www.good-win-racing.com/mazda-talk/viewtopic.php?t=795&highlight=mzr

If the above is correct, the Miata shifter should be in a better location.  Unfortunately finding that late a model car in the junk yard probably will be difficult and expensive.

nice  :search: , 
74 hatch soon to be turbo 2.3
73 sedan soon to be painted
stiletto parts(4 sale)
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wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.

oldkayaker

This is a long shot but may be an alternative to the specialized bell housing. 
This Wikipedia site indicates that the Duratec is a MZR family engine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duratec 
Another Wikipedia site sayes the MZR engine came in the Mazda MX-5 (third generation Miata, 2006 to present) which I believe is still rear wheel drive:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_MZR_engine#Duratec
This thread seems to indicate they are the same engine: http://www.good-win-racing.com/mazda-talk/viewtopic.php?t=795&highlight=mzr

If the above is correct, the Miata shifter should be in a better location.  Unfortunately finding that late a model car in the junk yard probably will be difficult and expensive.
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

Ironman

Quote from: apintonut on August 22, 2008, 09:50:50 PM
how far off is the trans from bolting up? 

I wont have the money for the bellhousing til sometime next week,.. Then however long it takes to ship.  Then I'll have to see what happens in the clutch department, flyweel etc.

The Focus flywheel probably wont work.

Man I wish I could embrace the the concept of my shifter being in the midle of my dash board :nocool:
Ironman