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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Project "Brown Ghost" 72 Pinto Sedan

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dga57

Wow, Kim :surprised:   Sounds like you've had a really busy weekend.  At least it's been productive!  Thanks for all the updates!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

pintogirl

Not much of an update, but I did get some stuff done to the Ghost today!!

   I finally put the new mirror glass in her mirror body!! Thanks to Fred for the donor mirror!!

Also fixed her cig. lighter ( I hope, lol). I took the ashtray unit out and noticed the lighter itself was lose in the holder, so I just tightened it up! Then I also squeezed the power wire plug to make it fit tighter. I am hoping this has stopped the intermittent working then not working!! I plan on running my XM radio, and it needs power all the time, not just some of the time!! LOL

I installed a separate power supply too! I wanted to have an extra one to run my gps off of for the long trips to car shows!! I figure if the cig one fails, I can always run the XM off of the new supply, and run the gps off of the cig lighter. GPS can run off of its own battery for up to 4 hours, so if the cig lighter goes off and on, it will be ok for it!!

I also looked into installing a timing belt cover, but we decided that will have to wait till we have more time and when I get another Pinto running as good as the Ghost! I would like to degrease the motor and all while I'm doing the cover!

That's all for the Ghost, but what I did to her, leads to what I did to the Green Machine today! Will update her thred in a minute!! :D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

smallfryefarm

kim it looks great you have a very nice car. blue looks good on em
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pintogirl

Just a small update!

I finally got the mudflaps on!

Picture isn't very good, took it with my iPhone in low light!



I will take better pics once the weather clears up!!

It will be nice to drive and not worry about all the road grime getting on my paint!!  ;D
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

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larjohnson

Kim:  Try the site www.autokrafters.com they have a catalog for just Pinto parts.  This could help you.

Good Luck!!!!! Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Quote from: pintogirl on September 18, 2009, 01:31:38 PM
I have never seen (that I can remember) a RR's interior. Guess I will have to google!! LOL

No problem on the hijack, just puts my thread to the top again!  :lol: ;D

They are just a wee bit different from your Pintos :lol:

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

pintogirl

Quote from: 75bobcatv6 on September 18, 2009, 01:09:17 AM
Ive always loved the style of Rolls interiors. Ive built a few models with the Exterior motifs as well. Aiming to have it done by spring. Thats the goal now to get the time to do it. (sorry for hijacking) its all yours again. (once i start there will be a thread for it with pics)

I have never seen (that I can remember) a RR's interior. Guess I will have to google!! LOL

No problem on the hijack, just puts my thread to the top again!  :lol: ;D
Kim
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larjohnson

Kim: I found a great new site on the internet, that has a catalog for Pinto parts.  They seem to carry almost anything...but I left the site name at work.  I'll try to get that emailed to you next week.  I think their front windshield seal was $129.00.  I just had my headlinger repaired, and as you know you have to have all the windows out to replace it.  They charged me $169.00 for the new windshield seal.  They're salty....it's hard to believe it costs soooooo much to restore and repair a car, that sold for new at $1,999.00......lol.lol.lol.....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

My apologies to Kim also for hijacking!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

75bobcatv6

Ive always loved the style of Rolls interiors. Ive built a few models with the Exterior motifs as well. Aiming to have it done by spring. Thats the goal now to get the time to do it. (sorry for hijacking) its all yours again. (once i start there will be a thread for it with pics)

dga57

Quote from: 75bobcatv6 on September 17, 2009, 11:19:23 PM
I hope he can. im two toning my seats so Ill need to pay the extra but its nothing Extravagant Just Black for the main part of the seat and a med Grey for the inserts. same with the rears. Doing a Rolls royce type theme inside the car. Hand made wood paneling included

Now, THAT'S got my attention :surprised:   I'm a RR fanatic also!  If you're going to go for a Rolls-Royce look, instead of inserts try contrasting piping.  Black with grey piping would be very classy, as would grey with black piping.  Don't forget to put in rear picnic trays!
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75bobcatv6

I hope he can. im two toning my seats so Ill need to pay the extra but its nothing Extravagant Just Black for the main part of the seat and a med Grey for the inserts. same with the rears. Doing a Rolls royce type theme inside the car. Hand made wood paneling included

pintogirl

Quote from: 75bobcatv6 on September 17, 2009, 08:36:37 PM
The place im going to out here will do both front seats for 100 a pop. in what ever color i want. if i want a diff color insert it will be 25-30 more per seat

That's not bad it all!!

Bob (hubby) is going to go by there one day during lunch to talk to them some more. See if he can get a better deal!!! He has been dealing with them for several years, so maybe he can talk them down a bit!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

75bobcatv6

The place im going to out here will do both front seats for 100 a pop. in what ever color i want. if i want a diff color insert it will be 25-30 more per seat

pintogirl

Quote from: larjohnson on September 17, 2009, 06:53:47 PM
Kim:  WOW!!!! I know it's expensive to recover seats, it cost me $200.00 a piece on my 1971, but they look great!!!!  You may have seen on my thread, I just had the silly headliner replaced in my 1971.  I bought the headliner for $50.00 on ebay, and it cost me over $650.00 to have it installed.  They have to take the silly windows out of the car to put the headliner in.  Once they got my windows out, they seen it needed a new seal around the windshield.  The seal alone was $169.00.  It was pricey, but it had to be done, and I knew I didn't have the expertise to do it.  Oh well....it's just baby steps, that's all you can do, you have a long time to get her up to snuff.  I'm anxious to see some more pix.   Talk to you later....Larry :police:

So my price sounds about right! That would be 200 a piece for the fronts and 175 a piece for the rears! My car also needs a headliner. I patched it for the time being. I haven't had any luck finding the rear window seals. I can find them for the runabouts but that is it! I don't want to take the rear out, then have no way of reinstalling it if something goes wrong!! The patch job will just have to do for now!! She's no show car anyway! LOL Although she is the one I'm showing! LOL

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

larjohnson

Kim:  WOW!!!! I know it's expensive to recover seats, it cost me $200.00 a piece on my 1971, but they look great!!!!  You may have seen on my thread, I just had the silly headliner replaced in my 1971.  I bought the headliner for $50.00 on ebay, and it cost me over $650.00 to have it installed.  They have to take the silly windows out of the car to put the headliner in.  Once they got my windows out, they seen it needed a new seal around the windshield.  The seal alone was $169.00.  It was pricey, but it had to be done, and I knew I didn't have the expertise to do it.  Oh well....it's just baby steps, that's all you can do, you have a long time to get her up to snuff.  I'm anxious to see some more pix.   Talk to you later....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

pintogirl

I finally made it by the upholstery shop. I got a quote for both fronts and rear, vinyl with cloth centers. Roughly same color but didn't have to be exact. The whole job will cost $750. For just the front seats, $400. 

I guess I will have to keep with seat covers for now! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dga57

Sounds great, Kim!  I'm glad someone is making progress - I can't seem to get started on mine.  Had some home renovations that simply had to be done to make the house more handicapped accessible - that took up a couple of my weekends off.  Finally finished with that, only to have this past weekend monopolized by a leaking waterbed - well, actually, I should say ruptured waterbed!  Not a fun weekend and, once again, nothing accomplished on my Pinto :(.  Oh well... one of these days!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

pintogirl

Ok, an update of sorts! LOL

As stated in a post above, I had a chirping noise at idle. We fixed that with some belt dressing, but it didn't last long and it was making the noise again. Kind of embarrassing at lights and in drive threws!

Today I pulled the Pinto into the garage, and we changed the belt. Ahhhh what a relief. She is as quiet as a mouse now!!! We also fixed the low speed rattle it had. The preheat shield was rattling in the front, so we fixed it the Ford way! Took some bailing wire and wrapped it around the cover and the exhaust!! LOL

I also took the mirror off, and looked at it. Couldn't really see any reason why it would not stay in position, so I put it back on. If it doesn't stay adjusted, I will see if I can find another mirror assembly to put in the housing. I don't think I have any non remote kind, so after I confirm, I may be looking for a mirror assembly!!

So finally, I can feel comfortable driving the Ghost, not have to be embarrassed about the noise it made! I get embarrassed easy! LOL  I plan on taking it shopping, actually it's going to take me shopping, lol, tomorrow. I am hoping to make it over to the upholstery shop to see how much it will cost to have the front seats redone! I know I said I was going to do that before, but I am a real big procrastinator! LOL

That's all for now! Hopefully the next update will be of the new seats!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

And...

I noticed with my 'tiels when they are brooding or nesting (on fertile eggs) that each parent will take turns incubating and so they'll hold their poo. When they switch the egg-tired bird will go out of the nesting box and a F-O-U-L glop of nasty poo will exit the bird. Also, sometimes both parents will be in the box with eggs or chicks. Make sure mom's getting plenty of mineral block and/or cuttle bone. Hens can get egg-bound and sometimes it can be fatal.

     Cockatiels are fun to keep and raise. Just don't have the cage (if they're indoor birds) too close to your wall.  :-\ >:( ;)
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

What a beautiful pearly hen you have! I've had sweet birds and evil birds (when they gnash their beak as they bite you hard. Ouch!) and I've raised 'em too. You probably know what they're doing when they do their version of the horizontal mambo. They make funny little noises too. My breeding pair (gray male, pied female) were hand friendly so I was able to hold the babies (hoo boy they're ugly! lol.) when they're still in pin feathers. I would hold them and very gently rub their beaks with thumb and finger to get them used to me and my hand. The chicks turned out pretty sweet.

         While you went to your beanery I went to see Fred Morgan in Mission Beach. Details on my Baby thread... ;D  I'm glad you love Ghost Kim! I miss the 2.0- SelectShift combo. It is fun to drive The Avocado (or whatever her name is! lol) in a weird way, though.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on May 09, 2009, 04:35:48 PM
That is a Pretty bird. Is she evil? I know mine sure is... lol Since the brown ghost is running right now you and hubby can fix Harold II lol jk.. or am I? hehe

Tell you the truth, I'm not really sure if they are evil or not! LOL I got them from a lady that kept them on her back porch in a small cockatiel cage, not even big enough for them to stretch their wings. I know she didn't interact with them. Just used them for breeding. I put them in with my finches, that didn't work out, so I moved them into a temp. cage. This is where they have decided to lay eggs! So it may be temp. a little longer then planned! LOL The temp cage is big enought for about 10 cockatiels though! They are still outdoor birds and I don't try to hold them or anything. I just go talk to them when I feed and water them. So, basically they are my breeders too, but I will take much better care of them. Heck, I was paying over 200 dollar a month for electricity during the winter, just to keep all my breeder birds warm!! LOL So yah, they are in a lot better hands now!! LOL

Send Harrold II this way and hubby and I will get right on it!!  :D ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

That is a Pretty bird. Is she evil? I know mine sure is... lol Since the brown ghost is running right now you and hubby can fix Harold II lol jk.. or am I? hehe
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Quote from: Carolina Boy on May 08, 2009, 01:24:40 AM
Great to hear you've been having fun with the Ghost. Where you been hiding? :lost:

Actually I have been busy reading about Cockatiels.!! I discovered that the birds I rescued last year, have laid 5 eggs!!! I am doing research on them so if the eggs do hatch I will be prepared!! I won't be able to handfeed this clutch because of a already planned m/c trip July 4th weekend. So I wanted to see if I could handfeed them a couple of times a day, and then put them back in with the parents so they can take care of them when I can't!! I found out that it is possible to do it that way!! Yay!!!  I want them to be hand tame!!

Here is a pic of the eggs and one of the birds.


Now I am just hoping that they are fertile! LOL The hens will lay even if they don't breed. I know one of the three tiels is a male, but I don't know if they have done the deed or not! LOL Time will tell!!!

So that is what I have been up too!! LOL

Now, on the Pinto!!  I drove it Friday to go to my local "beanery" and then to Emiegh hardware to buy my garden veggies!! It was so nice to drive her and not think I was killing a bird!! LOL Hubby was very successful at getting rid of the chirping noises it was making!! LOL  I sure love this car!!! Now I just need him to fix the rototiller so I can plant those veggies!! LOL
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Carolina Boy

Great to hear you've been having fun with the Ghost. Where you been hiding? :lost:
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

pintogirl

Ok, this isn't much of an update, but I am excited about it and wanted to share! LOL

The Ghost has been making a chirping noise while running, worse when sitting at an idle in gear. Not so noticable when driving down the road. Today I asked hubby to listen to it. He put some grease on the distributor and belt dressing on the belts! I shut the hood and started her up, and WOW what a difference!! She is as quiet as mouse!!!!!!

I can't wait to go shopping tomorrow!!!!!!! She is sounding good!!  ;D And here I thought is was going to be a major problem and would have to replace a cam or something like that!!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

smallfryefarm

EYE CANDY!!!  I like the white. She looks beautiful
Smallfryefarms Horsepower Ranch

dga57

Looks good to me, Kim.  Way better than mine... but paint is planned for later this year!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

pintogirl

Quote from: Carolina Boy on April 22, 2009, 08:04:20 PM
Be still my foolist heart! It looks pert good from way over here!!!!!!!!! :devil:

Thanks, she looks pretty decent up close too!! LOL  My neighbor didn't even realize it was the same car!!! She thought I finally bought a good one!!!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA