I ordered a set of twin turbo headers for it, they will be done by the 20th of October. I'm sure i'll have to tweek them a bit so i didn't order them coated, i'll do that when i'm sure they will fit. The turbos were ordered last week, 2 Masterpower TO4E 60 trims with .68 a/r T4 turbine housings...goo d for over 850+ horsepower. I'll be using 2 Tial 38mm wastgates and a Tial 50mm blow off valve. I bought an Aeromotive A1000 fuel pump, matching filter and 1304 boost referenced fuel pressure regulator. (for carb blow through) I'll be ordering a CSU 750 carb, (anodized red) and a polished CSU carb bonnet this week. My gauges came in, i bought Autometer Phantoms. I'll post pictures when i start the mockup of the turbos in late October. Untill then, look at this badboy!
HOLLLY shizod
That thing must at least make a hundred horse!!! LOL
Talk about a tight package!!
;) now if only you could get rid of those cow catcher (!) bumpers
my setup will put the turbos under the fenders....hidden. It'll be all tucked under a cowl hood also. I like my big...lightweight aluminum bumpers!!
that car is a 302 putting down about 500-600hp on pump gas.
Quote from: 78pinto on September 25, 2006, 10:43:40 AM
my setup will put the turbos under the fenders....hidden. It'll be all tucked under a cowl hood also. I like my big...lightweight aluminum bumpers!!
that car is a 302 putting down about 500-600hp on pump gas.
NICE!!! id kill myself with 400hp, let alone twin turbos and 600!!
Soo wheres that owner located and whats the total scoop on the construction and more pictures of that silver pinto??? :surprised:
UHH, Jeff......... :wow:. are you on drugs man ??? I mean :hypno: :hypno: I have to say that the Silver pinto in the picture is :2fast4u:. Those turbos must be like T77s with a 1.80 AR and pump out about 50 PSI boost. I Quit.....I give up and I cant stand it............... ( good job Jeff, you get the Shiny award of the year) :police:
those turbos are small Brad....don't worry...i'll show you a couple of biggins! Shiney award of the year? Have you seen the latest pics of what is left of my car? I should get the Darwin award for totaly dismantling a perfectly good running 408 EFI Pinto!!! :o
I have the block in with a set of nasty old 302 heads ready for the turbo mach-up in late October. Turbos should be here next week, carb and bonnet by the 20th of october and the headers will be ready by the 20th also. On a side note....i bought another roller 351w from a '94 full size van for $150!
another
Quote from: 71hotrodpinto on August 20, 2006, 01:48:11 AM
I have the 289-302 version but here is the 351w version Copynpasted from the Milodon website.
Pan Capacity is 8 Qts. Plus Filter -
83/4" Sump Depth, 9" Sump Length, 11" Sump Width
(http://www.milodon.com/oilpans/30927_small.gif)
http://www.milodon.com/main.htm (http://www.milodon.com/main.htm)
351W 30926
Oil Pump and Pick-Up Required:
Pick-Up 18365
Oil Pump Shaft 22560
Oil Pan Gasket 40350
Windage Tray 32215
Tray Install Kit 81167
I bought the pan and tried it....looks like i'll be lowering the steering rack by about an inch or so as the pan sits on it. Very nice unit though!!
Quote from: 78pinto on September 30, 2006, 09:40:47 PM
I bought the pan and tried it....looks like i'll be lowering the steering rack by about an inch or so as the pan sits on it. Very nice unit though!!
Hmm, well you might want to use a bump steer kit for the tie rod ends then if you plan on keeping the car "low" in the front.
The 302 Milodon unit has actually more clearance than the mustang II pan that most use. I guess the 351 is actually fatter over the rack ??
Hope you werent pissed :sorry:
I guess you wont need a Heater with that big hole in the "firewall" lol !
Gonna be a beotch on hot days though !!
Oh and Avoid the puddles at all costs!
no i wasn't pissed....i need a bigger pan. I'll be using a high volume oil pump and i have to feed oil to both turbos......needed more capacity. Its a sweet freaking pan for sure! I can lower the engine by about 2 inches if the rack is lowered....the lower my hood scoop is the better. Measuring it up yesterday, i have about 5.5 inches from the carb flange on the intake to hood line and the carb and bonnet will be about 8 inches total. The hole in the firewall....i decided i want to be able to remove the tranny while keeping the engine in the car, so i'm making the trans tunnel opening larger so i can reach up in there with tools to remove the tranny bolts.
Quote from: turbopinto72 on September 26, 2006, 09:40:21 PM
UHH, Jeff......... :wow:. are you on drugs man ??? I mean :hypno: :hypno:
Id say with all the money spent on shiny stuff, He cant afford drugs. With that much power he wouldnt need them anyway.
All i can say is WOW. By the time you finally figure out what all you are going to do to this car, you will probably have the fastest non-rocket powered pinto in the world. I hope like hell I get to see this car in person someday. Once again WOW.
UPS guy made a stop at my house today and left me a package or two....
twin 58mm TO4E 60 trims with .68 a/r T4 turbine housings
Ordered the MSD 6-BTM today. Total cost for redoing seats and interior panels is $1500 Canadian :o An old street racing buddy of mine from many years ago is going to paint the car this winter, shaving the gas filler, painting door jams and interior areas that need painting including the dash. I have all my Phantom gauges and will assemble the dash when it gets beack from paint (high gloss black with clearcoat)
My very large fuel pump is in along with the filter and boost referenced regulator. Picture of the Aeromotive A1000 and a picture beside the old EFI pump (227lph) i used on the 408 stroker. The A1000 will support 1300hp naturally aspirated (carb) and 1100hp forced air carbed. The old pump is for sale if anybody needs a good inline EFI pump ($125 shipped with all you see) ;D
Dash ready for some prep work and paint. Five gauges are for water temp, oil pressure, volts, AEM tru-boost gauge/boost controller and Innovate wideband O2 gauge. Where the heater controls were will be my switch panel (6 switches) I don't think i'll be needing a heater..... ::)
:ih8u: :ih8u: :ih8u: :ih8u: :ih8u:
LOL Really though this is going to be awsome. I bet your dreaming about this thing every other night.
I do all the time!! ( mine that is )
One dream was that i was firing the engine and it was running fine but that the vacuum/oil gauge ???? was filling up with oil as it was running and i couldnt figure out why??.
then as i walked around the front i realized that i forgot to put water in it the radiator, Or actually i forgot to INSTALL the radiator!!!! As i looked over at the radiator on the floor leaning up against the car i freaked and woke up!!! WHEEEWWW!!!! LOL
Well im sure your not as neurotic as i am!! LOL
Good luck and i cant wait to see it running.
Jeff,
You mentioned lowering the rack....I did that on a '74 that I put a diesel engine in in 1980. I cut out the top part of the crossmember, leaving the bottom flat part, then welded up beneath it and bolted the rack straight below where it originally was.
You are in for some real indoctrination into front end geometry. Maybe you already know it, but I didn't. My car would roll straight, but with the least amount of spring travel down, the front wheels pulled together and it barked like a dog and tripped all over itself. I trailered this car to the best front end shops in the area and they all told me with what I had done, the car would never steer again.
Like the fellow said above, I dreamed about this thing all the time. I woke up one night with an idea, sketched it out, welded it up and fixed it. Basically what I learned was that the angle and travel of the lower a-arm has to be identical to the angle of the tie rod. When I lowered my rack, I totally screwed that up. With the steering knuckle ahead of the spindle, what would happen is when the front end was pushed down, the tie rods were at the wrong angle as described above and would pull the steering knuckle in on both sides and you can imagine the rest.
That's a real brief description of my experience lowering a rack. Feel free to remove it from this post as I don't want to distract from your project thread, but I just wanted to share this with you. I wish we were close and I could draw this out for you. But then again, that was in 1980, before the internet and access to information and ideas. I am sure you have thought through all of this and know what you are doing.
Great project!
Dave
thanks Dave, i know exactly what your saying....we have built 2 race cars and had to mess with the rack on both cars, one worked out well and the other....no so good! If i do lower it, it'll only be about 1/2 an inch, just enough to clear the pan and nothing more...at this point i'm not really eager to cut into that wonderfull work of art that Milodon made. Thanks for your input!
71hotrodpinto: I think about the car all the time...you DON'T want to know what i dream about.....usually involves winning the lottery and a group of girls in party mode... :stop: ;D ;D ;D ;D
OOOOOO im tellin!!!
Hmm i guess i cant tell seeing how i dont know your wife! LOL !!
Still though I guess theres something wrong with me about dreaming of my car and not women.. HMMMMM. :wow: I think its because after being married twice, my experiance is there nothing but troubles!! LOL
Oh and about the lottery, i did win once. Big. Like a few million. But i lost the ticket and spent alot of time panicing and running around till i woke up..... I WAS PISSED....
LOL dreams. They zoop
This is what my new combination will consist of
'95 roller block 351 with Eagle 383 forged internals
Z303 cam
RHS 215 aluminum heads
Edelbrock Torker II intake (needed shorter intake....don't want to put a 20 inch colw hood on it!)
CSU 750 (powdercoated red) and CSU polished bonnet
Aeromotive A1000 and 13204 regulator and 12304 filter
ponydown '79-'93 twin turbo headers...MAY need to be modifed
2 masterpower TO4E 60 trims with T4 .68 a/r undivided turbine housings
31x12x3 xs power intercooler
2 38mm Tial wastegates and Tial 50mm blow off valve
innovate wideband
AEM tru- boost controller
Built C5 with 3000 convertor (non lockup..C4 convertor and C4 bellhousing)
9 inch rear with spooled 3:50 gears (looking for 3:10's)
hey there, I thought you may be using a afternmarket block or at least a sportsman block from ford.
Ive heard that the later model 351s were weaker than the early??? True or not?? With twin turbos you could push at least 650 Hp easy and thats near the limit of the block i think.
dont mean to push a bunch of " ive heard"s and "maybes" but i just wanted you to think of the limits if you hadnt just yet.
Cant wait to see it assembled.
Quick look on ebay- i saw one World 351w 9.5 deck with a 4.2 bore max with a 4.25 stroke. Thats 460" Small block !!!! :surprised: Even if you didnt stroke it cause you have hp with a wastgate dial, It will support 2000HP!!! ebay price is 2049+ shipping. Well thats steep, but just think of the peace of mind when you hammer that throttle with 28 PSI blowing through that engine. No cracked blocks there.
Also ive been wondering about the weight of all that intercooler, turbos, and piping up there. you know its bad enough with a 302 let alone a 351 and now a twin turbo setup! now that sounds like another 150lbs up there. Maybe its time to set the engine back at least till the #1 cylinder lines up with the spindle centerline.??? Just a thought.
factory roller block 351 is good for 700- 750hp the nonroller version is good to about 8-850 or so...but my rpms will stay at or below 6500 so i'll be ok for what i'm shooting for. 28 psi would put me beyond the breaking point of the block (and out of the efficiancy of the turbos) for sure. With C16 and a consurvative tune with 18ish lbs of boost should net me 800ish hp. Its a street car for fun and cruising....so the block will sit in its regular place and i won't be autocrossing it anytime soon ;D. Jeff
Picked up my headers....they were built for a 5 liter mustang...they will need some modification but they will work!
more.
My Tial wastegates and 50mm blow off came in along with my AEM tru-boost gauge/controller. Carb will be here tomorrow with the bonnet....it'll be a work of art!
I'll be cutting off the pipe right after the collector and rotating them so the flanges face out towards the sides, like the last picture only straight out instead of angled....more cutting of the frontend will be required.
my carb arrived today, i'll tell you.....pics don't do it justice...it's a work of art!
more. Does it pass the shiny police?
Jeff, you are my hero buddy. I would sit in my pinto as a youngster (last week er so :lol:) and just imagine it cruising with a turbo whistling but i never thought I'd get it to work. But you inspired me to put a turbo on my pinto, Ill be asking your advice and expertices when your done! Good luck with everything!
Jordan.
I made some mock up progress today...got the intercooler mounted and the turbos. I'm going to be checking how close the inlet of the turbos are to the headlight buckets.....if they are too close, they will need to be relocated again. EDIT: location shown for turbos did not work and they had to be moved up and back.
side view.
How are you going to support the weight of the hair dryers? That looks like a lot of weight to be hanging off the end of those light weight manifolds.
78Pinto,
I am tremendously impressed. My question for you is.........have you seen this somewhere or is it your own recipe? Please keep the pics comming.
High_Horse
#226
the headers are thick gauge...but i'll put a brace from each head to the turbine inlet flange just to be sure they stay put. This is my own brew... iv'e seen a twin turbo 302 pinto but it was done completly different and the turbos stick up through the hood. The headers are for a twin turbo 79-93 mustang that have been modified to work in my Pinto, i'll be fitting a fender today to be sure they are back far enough to clear the headlight buckets.....if they don't....its back to the drawing board! ;D
crap....back to the drawing board! :'( I took the front end over to the shop today and the turbos sit just a bit too far forward....i'll either need to drop them a bit or move them back...or both! The driver side is in pretty tight with the marker light....i can modify it to work, but i'd rather not mess with it. The passenger side is in tight with the corner of the headlight bucket, and i'm not modifying that so i'll have to "tweek" the collectors a bit and shorten them then drop the turbos down about 2 inches to clear everything. The bumper fit no problem with the intercooler, i just had to cut the bumper filler around the IC.
these show how close they come to the front
Damm man sorry bout that :sorry: Well have you thought about positioning the turbos in the center of the engine maybe like over the a-arms ??
Or at the rear of the engine and then relocate into the interior a wilwood master cylinder?
Well im sure you will get it handled, just some thoughts.
not that big of a deal really, i'm going to cut about 2 inches from the collector flange and that will move them back enough to clear everything.
She's lookin good.. realllll good. im really impressed :lol: Do you plan on putting any sort of inner fender back in? Maybe even something removable?
I will likely put something back in there....to keep the heat out, haven't decided on what yet. I'll figure that out after the mockups done and the engine bay is empty again.
Got some more work done, the turbos are in their final resting spot and the 38mm Tial wastegates are now in position. As soon as the mandrel piping comes for the cold side (2 inch from turbos into intercooler, 3 inch from intercooler to carb) i'll build that so i can pull the block out and get busy on some other things that need to be done before body and paint.
another
MMMMMMMM Looking GOOOD.
Where is the exhaust going to route?? Think you can sneak it around the frame rail near the bell housing without interfering (where "normal" headers go) ? Oh and those Kick butt heads of yours .. Can i buy them off you??? For say $2000???? :lol: Man i must be sick :cheesy_n: if i had a choice id Love to be your neighbor and see this thing unfold day by day... Of Course during the tuning stage i wouldnt be much help!! LOL
Great to see project pics at you make progress!
Oh and you MUST video the thing on the dyno!!! when you get it tuned.... Oh my :iloveu: ROFLMAF
Oh yah ,Remember what she used to look like????? LOL
Thanks, the exhaust will go to the back of the fender/firewall and down. I'll be cutting out a section on each side so the pipes actually go inside the car in the footwells to clear the tires, then i'll enclose them with sheetmetal. Not alot of room for 3 inch pipe anywhere on these cars! The heads are my speed secret, the pine needles and dirt give "extra" lift ;D and keep the valvesprings cool.
Quote from: 78pinto on November 05, 2006, 02:24:23 PM
The heads are my speed secret, the pine needles and dirt give "extra" lift ;D
NOW i Know your secret, on my way to pull the valve covers and try that out!!
LOL !!!
the pine needles work best when harvested from pines that have NOT been infested by Bark Beetles though !!! something about the quality of the sap in them. honest...it's true...reallyjavascript:void(0);
Pleaes tell me you plan to video tape this thing. Don't make me have to drive up there to watch it go.
still a long way off for it to drive, but i will make a video! Once the turbos are all mocked up, i have to fix the hole in the firewall (and the ones i'll be making for the two 3 inch exhaust pipes). I ordered the hood and when that comes in it'll be off to get painted. The interior is being redone right now and my painter has the dash and is base/clearing that (black). Still a long way off yet....
78Pinto,
Alright!!! You have my attention. I will be definitly be lookng in on you each time I log on. Please keep the pictures comming. They are crisp and clear.
High_Horse
#226
Quote from: High_Horse on November 06, 2006, 07:34:11 PM
78Pinto,
Alright!!! You have my attention. I will be definitly be lookng in on you each time I log on. Please keep the pictures comming. They are crisp and clear.
High_Horse
#226
lol, your build is next?
some pictures of the header modification.....had to take out alot of the collector length....but i stepped up to 3 inch turbo pipes (going from the collectors to the turbo flange) instead of the 2.5 inch that they came with.
other side. I'll still need to "clearance" the headlight buckets on the inside corners a bit along with the marker light cups....no big deal though.
Nice shortning going on there. You going to Tig the rest of the header mod once you get it finalized?? And dont forget the JetHot 2000deg coating. Only 3 "colors" but might be a good idea to protect your investment.
http://www.jet-hot.com/Pages/coatings.html
Yes they will be coated, i use a local place....the Jet-hot place here in Canada charges way way too much money for what your getting. If i can get the tig working i'll use it but its been giving attitude lately so they might just get hit with the mig.
My new RHS 215 heads arrived yesterday. They are very nice for how cheap they are. I bought them bare and had Manley valves and comp springs installed, they are 64cc chambers and outflow Victor jr's right out of the box. There is alot of casting flash in the runners and i'll hit them with the die grinder before they get bolted on. With a little work these heads will flow large!
Here is the link to their website, RHS is owned by Comp Cams.
http://www.racingheadservice.com/Products/Heads/PA-SBF.asp
Nahhhh PHHHHHHFFFFF!!!!
i think that you should use the heads you have on there just as is and ill take those crappy new heads you have off your hands for $20us inc shipping.
Hell the turbos are just going to blow all the crap in them off anyways!! ROTFLOL!
:lol:
:hypno: you will video the dyno run , :hypno: you will video the dyno run :hypno:,you will video the dyno run :hypno:,you will video the dyno run ,you will video the dyno run :hypno:
Hey 78Pinto,
I never post anything about your threads.
Mostly because I know very little about the V8 conversion.
I did want to pop-in here and say that I really like the work you do!!!
And to say that I enjoy your posts even though I have nothing to contribute.
NICE WORK!
Thanks for holding down the V8 fort.
From Pintony
thanks Tony.
My mandrel bends came in on Friday so i spent some time doing the coldside mockup. I need a couple more silicone couplers and need to fine a final resting place for the Tial 50mm blowoff valve and the mockup will be done. Then i'll do the downpipes for the exhaust.
more pictures
continued..
whos idea was it to allow only two pictures per post....
I'm going to get on that bandwagon 78Pinto........
There is enough room for six pictures. And considering it only takes miniwheats anyway,and considering I have begun my interior BUILD. I agree.
High_Horse
#226
P.S. That Bling thing kills me....When my daughter is out of medical school I as well will be Blinging all ooovverrrr my engine compartment.
i have posted a question regarding picture attachments in the Admin section, I'll see if its ok with the "Grand Poh-Bah" to increase that number but there may well be a good reason for it that i'm not aware of. Jeff
few more with the wastegates and downpipes attached.
and from above
got the silicone coupler and the blowoff valve installed today, next is the exhaust pipes to go from the turbos, down through the wheel wells and under the car....wish me luck, 3" is going to be tight!!
AHHH hell Just run them through the firewall. OR OR! Maybe straight up!!?? "A LA" Tractor Pull Style!!!
LOL
But really to have any kind of clearance sounds like you need to have the floorpan humped out at least 2"
Also im wondering about the vibration from the engine and the weight of the turbos on the headers. My buddy at work has a Turbo 2.3 SVO Mustang RACE/STREET and its blowing up headers left and right. Well come to find out he has no Flex Coupling on the down pipe to allow for engine movement. Well after 2 headers hes going to get a flex for the new header.
So to recap im thinking 2 3" flex couplers on the downpipe and a couple of tunnels for the exhaust.
Unless you want to just dump it out behind the front wheels??!!!
Anyways looking good and well engineered.
Cant wait for more progress.
Robert
Zoomies it is! I took a close look at the downpipe dilema today and i think i have the answer....and on the drivers side will be no cutting of the fender wells/firewall and passenger side just a little bit. My engine will be on Mustang II motormounts, plus it will be strapped down, with very little movement allowed. The exhaust will be held up with one mount ( and a lose backup just incase) so it is free to move as nesasary. I have ordered the 3" pipes with 65-70 degree bends (4 in total) and will post pictures if all works out as planned.
downpipes worked out, had to cut a small section from wheelwell to make it fit on passenger side. Blowoff is installed now.
downpipes
put together
turbo placement
Hey whats the down pipe look like from the side of the car??
Wow those are big tubes. Now i see why i didnt even try to do a 3 inch system on my car. LOL
I didn't take a picture from the side, but you can't see them. The exhaust will run outside the unibody structure underneath and will exit out the sides infront of the back wheels (like sidepipes) It will all be done in flat black with stainless exhaust tips poking out.
MMMMMM Tasty!!!
Jet hot has a black coating i think. I know im trying to spend your money LOL!
Or at least use the VHT ceramic paint. Its $10 a can pluss your sposed to use a primer also but probably cheaper than coating the "side pipes"
Your probably getting tired of hearing all the praise that your doing on this "mad machine" but i cant help it SWEEET!!!!
trust me..i don't need any help on spending money! ;D My budget started at 12k i'll be hitting 17k+.......like i said, my wife is great :-*
Quote from: 78pinto on November 24, 2006, 11:28:04 PM
My budget started at 12k i'll be hitting 17k+.......*
OUUCCHHH!!!
The firewall hole has been repaired, along with the small hole in the passenger side wheel well where the downpipe goes through. I'll finish welding the patches in when i pull the mockup motor....gotta wait for the new up22 fiberglass hood to arrive to make sure everything (carb, bonnet, intercooler tube) fits underneath it before i rip it all out, better safe than sorry! Dash was supposed to be here this weekend but my buddy got busy so it'll have to wait till this week sometime. Also bought a couple of 3" Magnaflow mufflers for it. Should sound pretty good!
78Pinto,
Am I seeing duel wastegates?? Wouldn't one common wastegate to both turbos be a little bit more controllable and safer for the engine? Afterall the boost is going to one common place.
High_Horse
#226
your thinking of a blowoff valve....for bleeding down boost. The wastegates control the amount of exhaust flowing into the turbine section of the turbo, if you only had one wastegate it would only limit boost output on one turbo, because they each feed off one bank of cylinders independant of eachother. If i had 4 turbos i would need 4 wastegates (two exhaust pipes into each of the 4 turbos) Hope you understand.
Ran into a setback today, seems my rustfree Pinto....isn't rust free! All of this occured from the inside out, likely because of the windsheild gasket. When i put the new carpet in two years ago it was just starting to rust, i should have fixed it then but i didn't and it spread. The holes are mainly over the unibody frame so i couldn't see them, when i took the wire brush to the floor i could see tiny pinholes.....i made them bigger by poking at them to see how far the rot went. This in only on the drivers side, the passenger side is fine. I'm cutting out the rusty section and putting in new metal, then i'll use POR15 on the entire inside of the floor, the underside will be done later as well. I never would have noticed this from underneath the car....at least not till it rusted alot more, have an eye guys!
HOLY FLOORBOARD BATMAN!!!!!
Now we know why it is so FAST!!! ;D
From Pintony
yup....lightwieght factory racer! ;D
the floor is now patched, after the hood arrives i'll pull out the mockup engine and weld in my firewall and floor patches (just tacked in right now) and get the pig ready for body and paint.
I've heard of acid dipping the car for light weight but now that Jeff is rust dipping I think all The racers will be doing it. :-X :-X :police:
Quote from: turbopinto72 on December 18, 2006, 11:34:46 PM
I've heard of acid dipping the car for light weight but now that Jeff is rust dipping I think all The racers will be doing it. :-X :-X :police:
it's the cheap "canadian" way to achieve light weight bodies!
Just got my dash back from paint.....its VERY VERY shiny! :police: The angle on the new speedo didn't impress me so i'm going to redo it along with the fuel level gauge. The dash was painted with base/clear.
couple more. Look close.....you'll notice that even sitting in my basement...its reving to 3700RPM! ;D ::) This Pinto wants to go!!
Quote from: 71hotrodpinto on September 25, 2006, 12:37:26 AM
HOLLLY shizod
That thing must at least make a hundred horse!!! LOL
Talk about a tight package!!
Makes me feel inadiquate. I thought I was being thumpy by forcefitting my 351 Cobra-Jet in my '74 wagon!!! Gotta love 'em!
#1....Where did you get the dash pad? Mine is all cracked.
#2....Did you have to take the windsheild out to repmove the dash?
#3....Is that a radio????
#4....Very nice!!!!!!!!!!!!
Impressed _Horse
#1.....The dash pad is the factory original
#2.....no you don't have to take the windsheild out to get the dash out.
#3.....Its a Sony am/fm CD player
#4..... THANKS!
Hey there 78, how did you get the dash out?? My 71 has the dash bolts coming from the windshield track area. After ripping out Everything from under the dash I had to cut off the screws flush ( that was A BIT*& ) and then just kind of work it loose. then i got some threaded clips ( i forget the tech name for them ) and then used 10-32s from underneath. to bolt it back into place.
Also high horse, you can get a dash "cap' and they look great compared to the cracked dash. Oh and for 60 or so its way better than waiting 6 years for that NOS dash pad to come up on ebay for $300.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD-PINTO-71-72-73-74-75-76-77-80-NEW-MOLDED-DASH-CAP_W0QQitemZ160067829711QQihZ006QQcategoryZ40017QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
all you have to do is lift the lip of the windsheild gasket and reach a nut driver in and undo the six screws. You'll need someone to hold a flashlight for you so you can see under the windsheild gasket. BE VERY CAREFULL....don't pry to hard on the gasket or you'll break the glass!!
DID THE HOOD COME TODAY ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
UPS lost it! Just found out today its in the warehouse....it was supposed to be delivered to me Tuesday, when i called they said it was delivered! I said well it wasn't delivered to me!!!! should have it in my posesion by Friday.
got the hood today at 3:15! It was well packaged. My overall first opinion was it was very poorly done job..workable on the the topside...but the underside is truelly NASTY! It looks like total crap and will require alot of work to make it look nice. I wish they did a gelcoat on it also. I forgot my camera, so i'll have to take some pictures tomorrow or saturday. Scale of 1 to 10 i'd give it a 3 prep work will take awhile i'm sure.
Just finishing up all my metal work as it goes for paint in the next couple of weeks. I made the trans tunnel opening larger...the firewall will be fiberglassed to make it nice and smooth. I cut a 1 foot long piece out of the engine crossmember and welded a peice in ramped so the trans doesn't catch on the flat edge anymore (pain in the butt pulling engine and tranny before as the trans tunnel opening wasn't high enough and the trans would catch on the lip of the crossmember) Floor is patched and will be getting POR 15 this week. New 3.5 inch up22 fiberglass cowl hood arrived and will need lots of prep work. No pictures, but i also relocated my steering rack forward and down a bit so i can lower the engine....and i didn't want to cut my new Milodon oil pan.
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hood (continued from last post)
underside....not a good picture
Today i spent from 10:30am to 4:00pm and 7:00pm till 12:30am working on prep and application of POR-15 to the inside floor, inside of the fenders, fenderwells and varios other parts.....underside starts tomorrow. The stuff is really great and would recomend it to anyone that wants to brighten up the underside/chassis and suspension on their car (also prevents rust). I'll post some pictures when i'm done.
Where do you get that stuff?
High_Horse
http://www.por15.com/
its very strong...stones won't chip it off.
DON'T GET IT ON U IT DON'T WASH OFF WANTS ITS DRY
some pictures, POR-15 and relocated steering rack. I'll have to make a new steering shaft as it now is too short and will require another universal to keep it away from the framerail...i'll be ditching the rag joint ;D
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Jeff,
I saw back a few pics where you cut some from the top rear of your crossmember. It appears in these last pics that you fabricated a bracket of some sort and remounted the rack bolts from their original holes through the crossmember. Is what I am seeing true? I could be being tricked by all the SHINEY black, LOL.
I think I have shared this with you before....when this thing is sitting on the ground, the tie rods and lower a-frame MUST be on the same plane, identical angles compared with one another. I learned the hard way, let me tell 'ya! With the speed this thing is going to hit down the strip, you HAVE to have the best steering possible....can't have it walking all over the place on you.
I know you KNOW what you're doing, just having fun following your progress.
And yes, GO POR-15!
Dave
Dave, yes i cut a ramp into the top rear of the crossmember to make engine removal and installation easier...the bellhousing always cought on it and it gave me grief. With the ramp and higher trans tunnel opening it SHOULD be a piece of cake now. Yes i relocated the rack, forward and down about an inch for pan clearance and to lower the engine......hopefully bumpsteer will be mininum, time will tell ;D
78Pinto,
You hit that right on the nail head. The bell housing catches that cross member. Also, getting that engine down far enough and back far enough were two points that I spent much time deliberating.
R&D_Horse
The Pinto goes for body and paint tomorrow morning! Yeay!
I hope its shiny................. ;D :police:
Quote from: 78pinto on January 13, 2007, 03:13:36 PM
The Pinto goes for body and paint tomorrow morning! Yeay!
HEY there, dont suppose i could tag along and bring my pinto into the paint booth also?? Umm for free?? LOL!
Cant wait to see!
Who did you have build the hot side for you Jeff?
hey what color are we talking about anyways??
LOL, i don't think he'll paint it for free, but a good deal yes!
stever: I built the whole thing, the headers are modified ponydown '79-93 mustang twin turbo headers. In hindsight...better off making your own using regular 5 liter headers (aftermarket larger than stock of course, Mac, BBK ect)
71hotrodpinto: We are talking 2006 Ford F150 "bright red" is what it's called. I was gonna go with the vermillion red but the bright red is......brighter!
Update: The dash wiring is about 90% done and the engine compartment loom is rebuilt. The plumbing is all coated (used POR-20 1400 degree paint, silver and POR-black satin on parts of the down pipes) I also did the coldside (compressors to intercooler and part of the intercooler to carb pipe with the POR-20 the pipe that goes to the carb (and has the blowoff valve located on it) will be nickel plated or powdercoated chrome. The engine should be done in about 3 weeks, and the body and paint at the same time.
I redone the evaluation of the hood (page before) .....my bodyman said it was a horrible job on it. He recomended that i send Unlimited Products an email about the lousy job they did on it.....so i did that tonight. I'll post my emails (yes i sent 2 ...i was on a rant/roll ;D) and any reply i receive.
first one:
Just wanted to drop an email saying i got my hood for my Pinto in good shape. Now the bad part. I have to tell you i was shocked at the complete nasty job that was done on my hood. My body man looked at it and walked away shaking his head. The topside was liveable, but the underside was a complete mess with gobs of resin, hanging hunks of fibreglass and holes that i'm sure will cost me a small fortune to have prepped for my SHOWCAR. I hope the guy that put the scoop (3 1/2 inch cowl) just had a bad day and all the stuff you send out doesn't look like that! Three hundred dollars for a hood, three hundred dollars for shipping + import tax and brokerage fees.....and i get that mess..... not a happy customer. As moderator/admin at Fordpinto.com from what i received, i would not refer others to Unlimited Products for their hoods. Jeff Fichter, St. Thomas Ontario, Canada.
And the second one:
Just found this on your website:
All parts are manufactured in our factory in Hesperia CA and sold direct to you from this factory, no middle man. We manufacture over 2,500 different fiberglass auto body parts.
We Specialize in 60, 70, and 80's Muscle Car Parts, as well as our large line of truck parts. Hoods, Fenders, Bumpers, Trunks, Doors, Panels, Scoops and Front Ends are all manufactured by us in our Hesperia factory. All Products are hand laid fiberglass. and are of medium weight construction. All of our hoods are semi-finished on the underneath, the top side is gel coated which means it needs to be prepped (scuffed up, sanded) to get ready for primer and paint.
Hoods are available as pin on, full bolt on and full race - pin on
There was no "gelcoat" and the top surface was COVERED in small holes where the scoop was put on. The bottom side was FAR FAR from semi finished! Jeff Fichter
We'll see what happens.
God man I'm sorry to hear that.
It just sucks that when you finally dig DEEP and lay out the cash for these kinds of thing that they almost are never what is promised! That kinda sucks because i was thinking of a hood from them in the near future.
I hope this is the only pitfall you encounter with all this cash outlay...
Have you entertained the idea of just having them take the hood back in exchange for getting the scoop instead? Then put that cowl on a steel hood? Might be less work?
Good luck with that whole thing.
My body guy is already working on the hood, so i'll be keeping it. Personally, unless you do bodywork/fibreglass i would pass on this hood or it'll cost you lots in the long run. Maybe something else is out there.
Well lots of luck on the hood, Hope your body man doenst charge you the amount of the hood to fix it..... I guess they just expect or dont care if the hood is on a show car or not. Prob just expecting that its for a race car...
I wasnt going to need to get such a tall hood. I was thinking of a boss 9 hood scoop. That way i can bolt it on and it looks "right"...
good luck again..
thanks, even for a race car its nasty quality!
I have some updated pictures of the dash, its about 98% wired and ready to go. All joints are soldered and shrink tubed, the loom is also finished ready for install when the car gets back from paint. My pipes (Cold and hotside) are coated and the turbine housings too. I painted the center section of the turbos with POR engene enamal. I'm making some trick stainless heat shields for the turbos now.
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78Pinto,
What gauges are you using?? Equus?? Do your gauges read in Metrics?? New slogan? Trick=Good.
Nuff said.
Impressed_Horse
#226
Gauges are all Autometer Phantoms except the AEM tru-boost gauge/controller and the Innovate wideband (first and second gauges on the right) They are all regular...non metric
Nice dash, thinking Jeff just likes to tinker with stuff ;)
looks like lots of "fun"
I wired up my water pump,fans,fuel pump, and my ignition box inside and all up above and to the side and behind my glove box. I hid it so that I could still get to the fuse box GOD that was a PAIN... Plus i rewired the engine compartment slightly and removed the ford solenoid. Also removed the voltage reg and the associated wiring. Whew!! Then i split loomed everything i could . GOD What a pain in the arse.
Sometime before I even started this I bought a weatherpak set of connectors.. The factory style waterproof connectors. Man those things are cool. But what a pain. "http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Weather-Pack-Connector-Kit-Weatherpack-418-pcs_W0QQitemZ170075012253QQihZ007QQcategoryZ6763QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Weather-Pack-Connector-Kit-Weatherpack-418-pcs_W0QQitemZ170075012253QQihZ007QQcategoryZ6763QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
So I feel your pain about finishing the wireing.. Im almost afraid to start the car after all the redoing i did.. LOL
Yes Brad...i like to tinker! I bought 8 100ft rolls of wire, and redid the whole car! As far as turning the key, i hooked mine to my battery charger in the basement and tried out all of the circuits (fire extinguisher handy) and NO smoke!
Quote from: 78pinto on January 27, 2007, 09:26:06 PM
Yes Brad...i like to tinker! I bought 8 100ft rolls of wire, and redid the whole car! As far as turning the key, i hooked mine to my battery charger in the basement and tried out all of the circuits (fire extinguisher handy) and NO smoke!
The first thing i hooked up in my life (cept a tape deck n EQ amp) was a mallory electric fuel pump. At first i just ran a switch from the hot side of the battery ( NO FUSE!! :wow:) I did it REAL fast n cheap. Just wrapped the wire around the terminals at the switch and electrical taped the frayed ends off. I ran it for a little while like that. Then one day i decided to get real "professional". I tore into the dash via the speedo cluster and decided to solder the ends and then zip tie it back under the dash. (was just hanging there)
Well :rolleye: I didn't even take the hot wire (with no fuse) off of the battery before i started to solder the wires up. :rolleye: :rolleye: Guess What?? :what: I dropped the wire right on the dash metal. A real fast 14 Gage smoke signal blew up in my eyes and i almost lost my car because of it... :surprised: The wire was laying on top of the main loom, and it was on its way to burning itself right through the factory taped up loom. Like those people that are supposed to have super human strength when in times of extreme circumstances, i grabbed the nearest set of pliers and ran around the front of the car and yanked that positive battery cable right off. All the while inhaling the toxic fumes from the insulation of a 6 ft piece of wire melting all into the air. This all happened in i think about 3 seconds....
I was Soooo Lucky i didn't panic and run for a extinguisher or water or whatever.. it would have been over in about 20 sec..
HMMMM can we say FUSE???? Can we say flamed front end???
I had some time for reflection after that.....
Now i over fuse everything....
71Hotrodpinto,
That was a good story!!!
High_Horse
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Looks like i'll be making another LARGE $ purchase...... the wife and i are going to buy this 2007 F150 FX2 supercrew....to tow the Pinto around! God i love her! :-* It's the same color the Pinto is being painted. I'd like to be able to make it to the Pinto meet this summer.
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Looks like i'll be making another LARGE $ purchase...... the wife and i are going to buy this 2007 F150 FX2 supercrew....to tow the Pinto around! God i love her! :-* It's the same color the Pinto is being painted. I'd like to be able to make it to the Pinto meet this summer.
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i think im going to cry into my milk now.......[ :'(
Serioulsy though.. Right on! Awsome ride!
Hey 78pinto,
That truck looks like a grocery get-ter...
You should have bought something will more BALLS
At least a F250
Ford 150 trucks are a joke.
They look great but are not worth a dam for towing or hauling...
I guess either you will find out or proove me wrong.
From Pintony
Quote from: Pintony on February 03, 2007, 01:48:06 AM
Hey 78pinto,
That truck looks like a grocery get-ter...
You should have bought something will more BALLS
At least a F250
Ford 150 trucks are a joke.
They look great but are not worth a dam for towing or hauling...
I guess either you will find out or proove me wrong.
From Pintony
Thats a bit rough tony...
Ford F150s have always been great towing trucks when properly equipped of course. Now more than ever with the HP/TQ they have in the v8s, the brakes and the frame stiffness. You can option them up to 10500 with a fifth-wheel.
Wether or not that particular truck is a V8 with the higher end towing package i dont know, but Id trust 78Pintos judgement that he knows what hes getting and what he needs.
GO FOR IT 78!
78Pinto
Nice!!!!
Quote from: Pintony on February 03, 2007, 01:48:06 AM
That truck looks like a grocery get-ter...
You should have bought something will more BALLS
At least a F250
Ford 150 trucks are a joke.
They look great but are not worth a dam for towing or hauling...
Oh..Oh..Oh... I'm feeling insulted, I have a '05 F150 and I love it! It's the smoothest, quietest vehicle I've ever owned and I just finished taking 1720lbs of bricks to the dump and had plenty more poundage to go. 2 weekends ago, it hauled a 1 Raptor 350 quad, 1 CRF150, 1 CRF50, 1 Yamaha YF60 quad, 1 rocket, 2 kids, 2 adults and all the gear while watching a DVD in the rear all at the same time. Did I mention I love it? No it doesn't have the towing capacity of the 250 & 350 but my pocket book wouldn't go there either.
I'll sign this one as, A VERY HAPPY F150 owner in Cali.
Quote from: Pintony on February 03, 2007, 01:48:06 AM
Hey 78pinto,
That truck looks like a grocery get-ter...
You should have bought something will more BALLS
At least a F250
Ford 150 trucks are a joke.
They look great but are not worth a dam for towing or hauling...
I guess either you will find out or proove me wrong.
From Pintony
Tony, i'm buying it as a grocery getter...and part time car hauler. Holy crap dude, they tow pretty damn good with the 4.6 or the 5.4 with the towing package! If i was towing stuff daily i would opt for the F250 for sure but as an occasional hauler...no way i'd spend the money or go for less fuel economy because i MAY want to tow my car once or twice a month, get real.
I'd definately disagree with pintony on his comments on the f150. My dad has a 2004 fx4 and it is the best truck we've ever had towing a trailer. It has plenty of power and with the new shock mounts outside the frame it cuts down on sway in crosswinds. Dont get me wrong a super duty is definatley better for towing heavy loads but a pinto doesnt way that much. I can vouch that we pulled a load to the scrapyard that weighed 6200 pounds and the truck didnt even groan one bit. I say go for the truck you'll love it.
I talked to my engine builder today, shortblock is assembled! He is taking apart my new heads for a clean up and inspection and then they'll be set on with cometic gaskets and ARP head studs and it'll be good to go....this weekend! Now i just have to wait for the car to get back from paint :'(
WHAAAAT???? Engine builder???? Hmmm I thougt you were a self respecting gear head !! You shoudl be the engine builder!! LOL
:lol:
JK! I know its alot eaiser and more sure if you have a pro do it.
Make SURE he knows to have a very smooth surface for those cometic gaskets.. Standard milled or ground finish on the heads and block isnt good enough. needs to be Smooooth..
i built the last engine...twice! I wanted a pro for this one, 600+hp....dissaster is not far off if not done right. My engine builder also builds 500ci Hemi nitro engines....so i know he knows what hes doing!
i'm tired of waiting.....i'm gonna sell it all and build a Vega.
Quote from: 78pinto on February 15, 2007, 11:56:28 PM
i'm tired of waiting.....i'm gonna sell it all and build a Vega.
wow???
are you pulling my leg???
You better be!!!
I know what your doing ..... Just trying to see if anyone is listening.. RIGHT???
78Pinto,
Get ahold of yourself.
High_Horse
come on 78, whats happening??
sold it all to a buddy for $20k.
:wow: Do you really think i would do that!! I'm just growing impatient waiting for it all to come together.
:stop: IT'S NOT APRIL 1ST YET!
Quote from: CHEAPRACER on February 18, 2007, 10:59:25 AM
:stop: IT'S NOT APRIL 1ST YET!
close enough! :text_yb_lol:
Quote from: 78pinto on February 18, 2007, 10:54:14 AM
sold it all to a buddy for $20k.
:wow: Do you really think i would do that!! I'm just growing impatient waiting for it all to come together.
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Bad 78, bad bad 78!!
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i quit smoking 23 days ago...feeling no desire to go work on it right now as i'll REALLY want a smoke while i'm working away. I'll give it another week.......maybe i'll feel abit better about it.
Quote from: 78pinto on February 18, 2007, 10:26:09 PM
i quit smoking 23 days ago...feeling no desire to go work on it right now as i'll REALLY want a smoke while i'm working away. I'll give it another week.......maybe i'll feel abit better about it.
Ahhh now the puzzle is starting to make scence...
man i feel for you... I never smoked but my mom did. For 35 + years. Just quit last year.. Cold turkey. She wanted to stay around to see more of her granddaughters. She tried to quit using the patch, the gum, persc drugs. even cold turkey.. Al she got was the nic fits. These were the only "things" that worked.
I wish you all the luck man! Just think of all the $$$ youll end up saving.. Race gas is expensive! LOL
SORRY off topic....
Bring that baby down here to Ca. My girlfriend has an awesome set of gardening tools, we could have it together in a day.
Heeeey CHEAP!
were only 60 some miles apart!!
Hell, bring your garden tools over to!
Quote from: CHEAPRACER on February 19, 2007, 09:19:10 PM
My girlfriend has an awesome set of gardening tools, we could have it together in a day.
:text_yb_rotf: "dude.....don't worry, we can fix that..... my dads a T.V. repairman.....he's got an awesome set of tools" was that from Fast times at Ridgemont High?
Fast Times.. looks like it was.. Jeff Spicoli uttering that immortal line, "My dad's a TV repairman. He has an awesome set of tools!"
I quit smoking back when I was 30.. never felt so good.. could drink all night and no hangover.. felt great the next day.. the hangovers were enough to keep me from wanting to smoke again.. now 10 years later I keep kicking myself for lighting up again.. haven't been able to quit again.. found it was easier to quit drinking.. I really hated them hangovers ;D
78Pinto,
Just a little ribbing in good faith over there in CookieBoys thread. If I were Building the kind of machine you are building I certainly would be following a like procedure. I can understand why you are antsy and then to quite smoking to boot. Haaa!!! I will be tuning in to see the progress, That's for sure.
High_Horse
Engine is done! Seats are done also.....now if only i could get the car back from paint..... :mad:
lets see some pics of that bad boy!!
:)
I spoke too soon on the engine....another week or two. However the interior is now completed! The body and paint should be done in the next two weeks also then it'll be time to assemble the mess!
wow thats super awesome. Hmmm so when its done THEN what are you going to keep yourself busy with?? :fastcar:
we are building a new house.....so i'll be babysitting the builders! ;D
Dang!! I think 78 won the canadian lottery!! GO MAN! GO!
Seriously though, good for you. Apartment life pretty much sucks when you want to work on your ride.
71HotRodPinto,
So what does a guy ussually do when it's finished?????? He does it all over again. It doesn't seem like 78 is going to be done till there is red carpet on the garage floor.
78Pinto,
Really nice seats!!!!
High_Horse
Quote from: High_Horse on March 05, 2007, 03:13:44 AM
71HotRodPinto,
So what does a guy ussually do when it's finished?????? He does it all over again. It doesn't seem like 78 is going to be done till there is red carpet on the garage floor.
78Pinto,
Really nice seats!!!!
High_Horse
LOL....no the wife said "ENOUGH" with the car, this is my last time to get it right. Now i'll be spending money on new furniture ect for the house. But i would like to do a black and white checkered floor (ceramic?) in the garage when time and money permits. ;D
Well i tell ya that with as much as your doing all at once, it should be done right and youll only have to worry bout maintenance. (just dont lean on it tooo hard!!) :accident:
78Pinto,
Last time to get it right. Don't you mean your last chance to get the right time???
High_Horse
still have not heard anything about the emails i fired off to UP22.com about the hood i bought. I'll give them another chance to respond before i cruicify them. Sent this followup email.
I did not receive a reply from my last emails concerning the quality of the hood i purchased from you so i have decided to send it again and await a response. I posted the email at fordpinto.com for all to read....they are awaiting your email back before final judgement is passed.
this was sent on or about Jan/26th 2007:
Just wanted to drop an email saying i got my hood for my Pinto in good shape. Now the bad part. I have to tell you i was shocked at the complete nasty job that was done on my hood. My body man looked at it and walked away shaking his head. The topside was liveable, but the underside was a complete mess with gobs of resin, hanging hunks of fibreglass and holes that i'm sure will cost me a small fortune to have prepped for my SHOWCAR. I hope the guy that put the scoop (3 1/2 inch cowl) just had a bad day and all the stuff you send out doesn't look like that! Three hundred dollars for a hood, three hundred dollars for shipping + import tax and brokerage fees.....and i get that mess..... not a happy customer. As moderator/admin at Fordpinto.com from what i received, i would not refer others to Unlimited Products for their hoods. Jeff Fichter, St. Thomas Ontario, Canada.
and this was sent the same day about 15 minutes after the first one:
Just found this on your website:
All parts are manufactured in our factory in Hesperia CA and sold direct to you from this factory, no middle man. We manufacture over 2,500 different fiberglass auto body parts.
We Specialize in 60, 70, and 80's Muscle Car Parts, as well as our large line of truck parts. Hoods, Fenders, Bumpers, Trunks, Doors, Panels, Scoops and Front Ends are all manufactured by us in our Hesperia factory. All Products are hand laid fiberglass. and are of medium weight construction. All of our hoods are semi-finished on the underneath, the top side is gel coated which means it needs to be prepped (scuffed up, sanded) to get ready for primer and paint.
Hoods are available as pin on, full bolt on and full race - pin on
There was no "gelcoat" and the top surface was COVERED in small holes where the scoop was put on. The bottom side was FAR FAR from semi finished! Jeff Fichter
Personally.....i don't really think they give a crap, they got my money.
Quote from: 78pinto on March 07, 2007, 06:01:07 PM
Personally.....i don't really think they give a crap, they got my money.
Yeah, well if they want to get anybody else's money from this site, they might want to think about giving a good response.
Quote from: douglasskemp on March 09, 2007, 11:04:32 AM
Yeah, well if they want to get anybody else's money from this site, they might want to think about giving a good response.
Still nothing from them....go figure!
On a side note...we sold our house last night, listed for less than 48 hrs! On top of that there was a bidding war between 3 couples and it ended with us getting $1000 more than asking price ;D (no, i'm not aloud to spend the extra on the car >:() New diggs will be built near end of July, looking something like this (yeay....finally a garage!) I wish the garage was like Scotts but i'll have to settle for a two car unit ;D
Congratulations! Yah im jeoluse though!! Hell Garage??? It be nice to have even a carport that no bitchy manager cares about me working on my ride.
lovely california, any place ive ever seen wants 2000 a month for rent and a garage. Or i could buy a place for $500,000 ! YAH RIGHT! like thats gonna ever happen. Shouldve bought 5 years ago. When i told my wife we needed to think about it then she said WE CANT AFFORD A HOUSE!! Bla bla bla whatever...... Now its near unatainable... unless you want to live in watts. Or similar. Or 100 miles away from work..
SIGH!!!!!!!
78Pinto,
Congradulations!!!! Looks like a nice place. It might be a two car but you can always add a few square feet to the plans. Also, two garage doors are better then one big one. I was in a house where the guy had put in a stairwell from the garage to the basement. At the bottom of the stairs was a full bathroom with shower. I always though that would be good as not to track my garage escapades all over the house.
High_Horse
Hey check this out... http://up22.com/amx68.htm
Are they are using your hood for their advertising??? Never remember there being a picture of a pinto hood with a real cowl on it. They had that little ugly looking hood with the small cowl on it, and the stock flat hood but never one with a real cowl on it.
I think ill ask them for a picture of the underside of one of their hoods and see what they say....
I never received a reply from up22 concerning the hood at all even after 3 seperate emails. My guess is they don't care.
My engine builder called today, the 383 stroker is done and i can pick it up this weekend! Just waiting for the paint to be done and the fun will begin!
Jeff, how long you gonna wait on that paint? LOL Just kidding, looking forward to seeing this thing begin to come together again. You spoiled us a few months ago.
Dave
Quote from: Original74 on March 21, 2007, 02:47:33 PM
Jeff, how long you gonna wait on that paint? LOL Just kidding, looking forward to seeing this thing begin to come together again. You spoiled us a few months ago.
Dave
I'm hoping you don't rush perfection!! The hood is what got the body guy running behind. Hopefully....within the next few weeks it'll start coming together and looking like a car again and not just a pile of parts in my basement!
I have the engine! I'll have the car on Friday! I just need the lifters, pushrods and install the roller rockers and valvecovers along with the intake and its done. Pictures are from my phone....not as crisp as the digital camera.
another. The chess set i made at work using various bolts and nuts.....maybe i have to much spare time.... ;D
Nice chess set........... :o
I finally got the pinto back fom paint....looks awesome! My body guy didn't like how the hood turned out so he is going to block sand it again and resquirt it this week. I'll be going over everyday putting it back together....starting tomorrow (hang over today ::) :o ;D) I'll post some body and paint pictures when i remember where i put them.
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here is a couple of picts
78Pinto,
What color red is that???? Is it haulsass red???
High_Horse
its bright red clearcoat/vermillion but yes....also known butt haulsass red!
took some better pictures when i went over to throw the car cover on it today.
more....sorry, the lighting isn't all that great
Jeff,
Just spent some time catching up on your thread, the progress the new truck, lord man.. you are REAL serious about your Pinto!
I Love IT!
Your one in a million!
thanks Scott, the new truck is on hold for now. After the house is built we'll see how things go. Maybe only able to afford a used golf cart the way she is spending on the house ;D
Quote from: 78pinto on April 08, 2007, 02:18:32 PM
thanks Scott, the new truck is on hold for now. After the house is built we'll see how things go. Maybe only able to afford a used golf cart the way she is spending on the house ;D
Yah got to give somewhere. Good for you that your able to do what your doing as it is!
The truck can always wait. The'll be more trucks waiting for you when the time is right.
The car is just awesome, Just awesome.
i have been busy reassembling things on the car, tailights, marker lights, back bumper and bumper filler ect. I put new door seals, my repops window scrapers and repops window felts and all fit very well and didn't need any modifications. I also removed the fuel cell to mount the new fuel pump to the side of the fuel cell sump/well and change the fittings from -8 and -6 to -10 feed and -8 return.
Quote from: 78pinto on April 14, 2007, 03:04:03 PM
and change the fittings from -8 and -6 to -10 feed and -8 return.
Something is telling me that there goes the fuel economy....(http://www.insanemustangs.com/forums/images/smilies/lotsOsmilies/rofl5.gif)
So whats a "Gallon" going for up there in the Great White North ??
thanksfully it's not my daily driver! ;D It's about a $1 a liter right now
Hmm so around 3.78 a gallon.
bout .40¢ more than so cal prices. Im surprised that it wasnt more. I was thinking more like 5 a gallon or 1.32 a liter.
Still damm these gas prices are killing me. I think im up to 132 a month for each car/truck we have in gas.
been awhile since i updated. The interior is 99% done but needs to be cleaned up still. The dash wiring is done (in car) and i have to zip tie some up and out of the way. I'm waiting on my pushrods again....Manley decided to send me small block CHEVY ones instead of the Ford ones i ordered :wow: I have to work 4 days this week then i'm on holidays for 2 weeks, the engine and all the piping and turbos will be going in on that two weeks, it might even be running! :o Here are some pictures, the kick panels still need to be installed. And the rear seatbelt bezels need to be painted black still....i forgot them ??? ::)
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progress on the house thus far.
If all goes well tomorrow i'll be dropping the engine in. I am still waiting for Manley to send me the RIGHT pushrods (it'll be my 4th set!!!) but i can do the pushrods, rollerrockers and intake after it's in the car. By the weekend it should be mostly assembled underhood, complete with turbos, intercooler, and exhaust. I'm tired of seeing everybody driving around in their playtoys....while mine is STILL up on jackstands. I see the light at the end of the tunnel....i'm hoping it's the end, and not a train coming! ;D
All didn't go well. I need a 157t bellhousing for my C4! I got it all together then relized my starter was nowhere near the teeth on my flexplate, hopefully i can find one tomorrow.
Thats the thill of the hunt. You'll find one. And then you can dig back in.
High_Horse
I decided i'd just buy another flex plate (164t 0 balance) that way i know the stuff that i used last year (bellhousing, driveshaft, torque convertor) will work without any more troubles.
I got the pushrods and roller rockers installed tonight, and the new 164t flexplate. I should be able to install the engine in it tomorrow during the day. Couple of cell phone pictures, not good quality.
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Hey those milodon pans make great engine stands huh?? LOL
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Awesome progress man...
yes they are....but i have blocks of wood under the back also! THE ENGINE IS IN!!!
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made some more progress tonight. I'll have to rethink the location of my fuel pressure regulator, it'w way to close to the downpipe and headers. I'm thinking of mounting it on the firewall (not track legal) but i'm out of options.
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Quote from: 78pinto on May 30, 2007, 11:42:34 PM
made some more progress tonight. I'll have to rethink the location of my fuel pressure regulator, it'w way to close to the downpipe and headers. I'm thinking of mounting it on the firewall (not track legal) but i'm out of options.
Sounds like maybe its time to fab up some custom inner aluminum "fenderwells" to cover the downpipes. Id hate to hear that you got kicked off the track cause of a technicallity of the regulator on the firewall.
just a thought... looks awsome man!
where did you get to work on this? buddies shop?? last i remember you just had a covered carport on the side of your current house..
Just curious.
even if i make up inner fenders its still too close, they would heat up REAL fast. I have a key to my buddies 6 car shop. My new house will have a double car garage...for the Pinto only! We move in on July 26th. No carport, i sometimes use one of those small 10X10 canopy thingys
Quote from: 78pinto on May 30, 2007, 11:42:34 PM
made some more progress tonight. I'll have to rethink the location of my fuel pressure regulator, it'w way to close to the downpipe and headers. I'm thinking of mounting it on the firewall (not track legal) but i'm out of options.
mount it on the motor near the carb. what happened ? no ele water pump ???
Quote from: 78pinto on May 31, 2007, 12:59:07 AM
even if i make up inner fenders its still too close, they would heat up REAL fast. I have a key to my buddies 6 car shop. My new house will have a double car garage...for the Pinto only! We move in on July 26th. No carport, i sometimes use one of those small 10X10 canopy thingys
I second the engine near the carb. Ive seen it before mounted over the valve cover area 'Y'ing up to the carb. The mount being a plate under the carb that hovers over the pass side valve cover slightly..
Maybe look into it?
got to be some way to get around the firewall.
got a little more done today
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DON'T FORGET TO BOLT THE INTAKE DOWN !!!!!!!!!!!!
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DON'T FORGET TO BOLT THE INTAKE DOWN !!!!!!!!!!!!
Nahh no need i bet the intake is heavy enough to stay there... LOL
78, is the ARP polished stainless 12 point kit still on order?? :lol:
78Pinto,
I was impressed......now..................BADASS!!
High_Horse
Quote from: 71hotrodpinto on June 03, 2007, 11:19:49 AM
Nahh no need i bet the intake is heavy enough to stay there... LOL
78, is the ARP polished stainless 12 point kit still on order?? :lol:
you jokers miss nothing do you! I already have a polished stainless bolt kit for the entire engine (sorry....6 point). I'm waiting for the intake gaskets to arrive (takes special ones) so i can port the intake to match them.
Ohh man your not in final assy ! Im crushed! :) i thought id hear that thing roar within the month!
12points look cool but when it comes time for maintenance, unless all your sockets are 12 point, they can be a hassle. Pluss they cost more!
Quote from: 71hotrodpinto on June 03, 2007, 08:17:40 PM
Ohh man your not in final assy ! Im crushed! :) i thought id hear that thing roar within the month!
12points look cool but when it comes time for maintenance, unless all your sockets are 12 point, they can be a hassle. Pluss they cost more!
how long does it take you to port an intake? ;D I'd LIKE to have it running by fathersday (12 days?)
Just ribbin ya! LOL
How long for me??Ooo god you dont want to know...
It took me 4 weekends to port the exhaust on my heads. Another 4 weekends at my buddies shop for the intakes with his direction on the proper manner on what to do so i didnt ruin my heads.
So hell if i was porting my intake to match the heads,( and god knows they need it, Bad Mismatch.) i guess it would now only take a weekend.
i'm thinking it'll only take me a day....with heads i'd REALLY take my time!
This weekend i got the fuel lines all done right up to the carb, the fuel pressure regulator is in its final position, the oil feed lines and oil return lines for the turbos are completed and installed, tranny cooler is installed, the exhaust is made up and finished...just not welded up yet, battery cables are done and last but not least, the intake is ported! (took me 4 hours with cleanup of the pile of aluminum shavings included) Tomorrow night i'll put the intake on, tighten all the fuel lines, finish off the exhaust and paint it flat black so it's not sooooo visible, run my rad hoses, install the alternator, and get working on running all new brake lines. (i hate doing them) May have it fired by next weekend.
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Hey man just awesome, You've made more progress in 3 weeks than i made in 3 years,LOL
Seriously great though.
One thing, you might do something about your lines over the valve cover, cause they will rub a serious gouge in the aluminum in a very short time.
god I'm envious!!
thanks buddy, i'll look into that....don't want to make it look nasty!
Well, this week i should be able to fire it up for the first time....i'm so tired of working on it!
You must have esp. i was just here wondering what was going on..
Your tired? I bet! This kind of project is massive for us "average joes".
Just think you are still going to be tuning it for a few weeks after as well, and chasing down the little bugs here and there... :lol:
Just trying to make you feel a little better LOL! :rolleye:
yes, but at least that stuff can be done at home in my driveway! If you can believe it....the vacumme hookups/lines (the vacume port in the intake is just about under my carb, and the stepup/stepdown fittings are driving me NUTS...took me a week to find 1/4inch barb "T" fittings) are giving me the most headacke right now. LET IT END!
It does way on the mind. But you are not doing stock work and it may take a week just to figure something out. But it is worth it in the end. Hang in there!!!!
High_Horse
i've pretty much got it ready, a few minor things to button up before firing. My latest dilema....fan clearance, i'm at 1 3/4 inch between the rad and the water pump snout. The lowest profile fan i can find is a Spal, and it measures out at 2.05 inches deep so i'm looking for a bit more room. It's a Pinto with a V8 and twin turbos....even .3 of an inch is hard to come by!! Fret not Pinto peoples, i'll "get er done"!
Some of the guys at raceway park {INDY}had a chat about youre car today.Said they saw it on a turbo site.Thought you had a few screws loose.People without a pinto just dont understand.They think all fords should be mustangs.
no they are right.....i do have a few screws loose ;D :hypno: Thanks for making my day!
Im confused? I thought that you already had a fan setup before the swap? The engine didnt move forward did it?
Well as far as my little setup goes, i went to the remote water pump and a straight belt right to the alt. However im sure your fed up with fabrication and modification at this point. Im not sure anyone makes a fan setup thinner than 1.75 and even then your still rubbing. Ill poke around the inet for you for a bit see if i cant find somting.
could you do two small fans diagonally to miss the water pump snout?
Just a thought.
Quote from: 78pinto on June 30, 2007, 05:06:15 PM
i've pretty much got it ready, a few minor things to button up before firing. My latest dilema....fan clearance, i'm at 1 3/4 inch between the rad and the water pump snout. The lowest profile fan i can find is a Spal, and it measures out at 2.05 inches deep so i'm looking for a bit more room. It's a Pinto with a V8 and twin turbos....even .3 of an inch is hard to come by!! Fret not Pinto peoples, i'll "get er done"!
ford motorsports has a short waterpump and pulley setup for the streetrod guys .if i remember right its 3/4 or 1 inch shorter.
The ford motorsports water pump does save alot of room but you have to buy a special pulley set to go with it. Ford racing doesnt sell the kit anymore but they give you a guys number who bought out all ford had. I just got done installing the water pump and pulleys on my car. If i remember right it saves an inch and three quarters.
Yea i though i had it figured out too! I'm going to buy two 9inch Spal fans as pullers (behind rad) and one 10 inch infront of the intercooler for the lower part of the rad as a pusher. I got the clearance to just over two inches from the pulleys, the fans will be side by side closet to the top with the 10inch pusher infront blowing through the lower portion of the rad. The fans widest (at the motors) is 2.05 inches....i should be golden.
Quote from: pinto_351 on July 02, 2007, 09:32:16 AM
The ford motorsports water pump does save alot of room but you have to buy a special pulley set to go with it. Ford racing doesnt sell the kit anymore but they give you a guys number who bought out all ford had. I just got done installing the water pump and pulleys on my car. If i remember right it saves an inch and three quarters.
already have the motorsport short pump and pullies....it was about 1/2 an inch between the pump snout and rad before!
Today i turned on the battery for the first time....no smoke...no flames, all is good in my world! ;D With the exception of the headlights and turn signals, everything works. Didn't get a chance to look for the problem but i'll get to it. I'd like to start it on Friday...i should be set to go!
Hey i can relate. I re-did about 40% of the wireing and added another 25% with electric this and that, relays, fuse board, and even after checking and double,triple,quadruple checking when i hooked up the battery, i cringed. The next cringe was when i started adding fuses and checking each circuit. then one of the last tests, cranking her over, WHEW!! that was a pucker factor of 10.
Glad you had no Smoking Issues.
Hope you get the headlights and such worked out.
Quote from: 78pinto on July 10, 2007, 04:34:00 PM
Today i turned on the battery for the first time....no smoke...no flames, all is good in my world! ;D With the exception of the headlights and turn signals, everything works. Didn't get a chance to look for the problem but i'll get to it. I'd like to start it on Friday...i should be set to go!
wish you luck this weekend
thanks guys! A few pictures to post in it's near final form. The pipes off the mufflers are a bit too low for my liking, i'll losen off the clamps and turn them up a bit more so they don't hang so much.
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last two. It has three 10 inch fans (a real bugger to fit) two behind the rad and one down infront of the intercooler.
Wow.
Bill
Double Wow!!!
turbowagonman
I can hear it now....the starter whines....the motor caches, alow rumble then the revs build while the unburned fuel makes its way out of the system...the turbines begin to spool up and the sound that emanates from them is better than sex as the revs climb while you stand there and listen..mesmerized...and looking for leaks!
Hey Jeff,
Can we get a conference call going and you just set the phone down close to the car while you fire it up for the first time? How about a webcam? Technology and twisted minds, scary! Testosterone!
We are so rooting for you man. Good luck and be safe.
Dave
thanks guys! srt, i like what you said....however i'm sure it'll be more like this!
I can hear it now....the starter grinds (not shimmed proper) the motor backfires (plug wires in wrong order) a low rumble the revs build while the exhaust gaskets start to leak filling the air with unburnt fuel....the turbines begin to spool up....apparent by the sounds of the impellers scrapping the compressor housings...the sound is worse than that of nails down a chalkboard, i stand there, listening...mesmerized by the sight of pooling oil as i relize i forgot to hook up the oil lines to the turbos.
I like your description much better! Lets go with that one. Dave, i'll get it all on cam if posible and post it to streetfire.net
Quote from: Original74 on July 12, 2007, 07:39:52 AM
Hey Jeff,
Can we get a conference call going and you just set the phone down close to the car while you fire it up for the first time? How about a webcam? Technology and twisted minds, scary! Testosterone!
We are so rooting for you man. Good luck and be safe.
Dave
that would be cool
Quote from: 78pinto on July 12, 2007, 08:52:51 AM
thanks guys! srt, i like what you said....however i'm sure it'll be more like this!
I can hear it now....the starter grinds (not shimmed proper) the motor backfires (plug wires in wrong order) a low rumble the revs build while the exhaust gaskets start to leak filling the air with unburnt fuel....the turbines begin to spool up....apparent by the sounds of the impellers scrapping the compressor housings...the sound is worse than that of nails down a chalkboard, i stand there, listening...mesmerized by the sight of pooling oil as i relize i forgot to hook up the oil lines to the turbos.
I like your description much better! Lets go with that one. Dave, i'll get it all on cam if posible and post it to streetfire.net
LMFAO!!!!!
That's so good, unfortunatly I know the feeling of just envisioning the worse.
turbowagonman
positively think positive thoughts....whew. i know what you're going through....it seems that you have obviously thought things through...is there anyone you know that can take a look at the situation from an uninvolved viewpoint? sometimes someone who is totally distanced from the project will look at things from a different perspective...and "see" things that may have slipped by you
just what i thought, i had water pump issues. The pump and timimng cover didn't match up, leaked like a sive. All fixed up now but i'm having trouble with spark or lack there of. MSD or coil....i'm testing today.
tonight at 10 pm the Pinto fired up for the first time! Need to set the timing...deal with some small exhaust leaks...yada yada all the little things...but it runs!!
videos done with phone...sorry about quality! Sounds like crap....there was some exhaust leaks.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/3c14bd62-369f-4a88-ae15-996f0007ff6f.htm
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/a9623d82-a2f4-4792-af6c-996f0018f091.htm
Let me be the first to congratulate you Jeff! We need audio! LOL. You know, I felt a little rumble and heard some whistling a couple of hours ago, must have been the beast firing up!
Dave
Congrats on getting the car running!
It's gota be a great feeling.........isn't it!
Now you just need to get a Digital Video Camera and take a clip of it going down the ¼ mile in about what......10 sec. ;D
turbowagonman
thanks guys, i'm going to bring it home from the shop tomorrow night....once all the bugs are worked out i'll take some better quality vids of it in action.
took it for a drive today, seemed to work good. Only took it to about 5 lbs of boost....took off like a rocket. It wasn't without incedent. When i first fired it up today the CSU carb was gushing fuel all over the engine. I shut it down and removed the carb.....the bolts were only long enough to catch about three threads....and they striped out! Not really quality work in my opinion, CSU will be hearing about it, ten months of work and 18k could have burned to the ground because of that....not impressed.
Bummer, Sorry to hear about that.
turbowagonman
Quote from: 78pinto on July 21, 2007, 12:02:14 AM
took it for a drive today, seemed to work good. Only took it to about 5 lbs of boost....took off like a rocket. It wasn't without incedent. When i first fired it up today the CSU carb was gushing fuel all over the engine. I shut it down and removed the carb.....the bolts were only long enough to catch about three threads....and they striped out! Not really quality work in my opinion, CSU will be hearing about it, ten months of work and 18k could have burned to the ground because of that....not impressed.
Aww man that blows. Glad to hear that you didn't have a flamed front end!!!!
Hows the paint and whatnot? Were you able to clean it up to "post spill" standards?
Thats one of the things in the back of my mind about firing my ride up for the first time. "Whats gonna Leak??" And "Whats that Knocking??"
Still just gonna fill the trans with oil, and time it to the requisite 6°btdc to the #1 dist wire pos. prime the carb and then piss of the neighbors. Sad thing is?? I'm so broke lately that i cant even afford to fill the tank with $35 of gas. >:(
Sorry to go off on a tangent. I do that. :sorry:
didn't get fuel on the paint, just all over my intake and down the back of the tranny. I'm very thankfull my exhaust is way out in the wheelwells!
I took it to the cruise tonight...and honked on it a tad. For now i'm running off the wastegate springs about 10lbs max. I'll tell you something....when those turbos are spooled up...hold the f%*k on. I was going about 50mph and leaned into it a bit (didn't tromp it down) and it broke the tires loose and went sideways. My wideband is saying it's a little lean so i won't do that again untill i up the jet sizes in the carb. I'm running 34 degrees total timing (10 initial, 24 advance) with the MSD BTM taking out 2 degrees/lb of boost (once all dialed in i'll set it to 1 degree) The thing is an absolute BEAST!
78Pinto,
Glad to hear that you did not have a fire. That is all we Pinto guys need is a reputation for exploding when starting up. And please let me make a note to the populace here that just because it is new doen't mean it is right. Nothing is right till it is fixed. I am going to check out your video now.
OH Ya!!!....Make sure you have plenty of threads when you bolt the wings on.
It wouldn't even hurt to use nuts...Do you have nuts? I think so.
High_Horse
Also...You realize that we are going to have to exchange names.
Quote from: 78pinto on July 21, 2007, 11:16:48 PM
didn't get fuel on the paint, just all over my intake and down the back of the tranny. I'm very thankfull my exhaust is way out in the wheelwells!
I took it to the cruise tonight...and honked on it a tad. For now i'm running off the wastegate springs about 10lbs max. I'll tell you something....when those turbos are spooled up...hold the f%*k on. I was going about 50mph and leaned into it a bit (didn't tromp it down) and it broke the tires loose and went sideways. My wideband is saying it's a little lean so i won't do that again untill i up the jet sizes in the carb. I'm running 34 degrees total timing (10 initial, 24 advance) with the MSD BTM taking out 2 degrees/lb of boost (once all dialed in i'll set it to 1 degree) The thing is an absolute BEAST!
Cool! Glad to hear no damage. Goin sideways at 50mph in a short wheelbase car with 650+ hp??? You must need a wheelbarrow to carry your balls Man! Holy smit!! Whew!! So maybe its time for some sticky drag radials out back when your street-in around, and full on slicks at the track. God don't even think of driving that thing in the rain! LOL! :accident: Telephone poles tend to jump right out in front of you at the worst times
Glad to hear that everything is turning into a success!
Absolute Beast??? AWESOME!!!
its going in for a front end alignment wed at 4pm then i'll be good to drive it at will. Better videos will follow after we move.
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its going in for a front end alignment wed at 4pm then i'll be good to drive it at will. Better videos will follow after we move.
Glad to hear that! It's great when everything starts to come together........isn't it?
Enjoy the car as much as you can, you spent enough time putting it together.
turbowagonman
cheesy vid of builds i put together today....hopefully Sweet D don't mind that i used his music.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/4d7093b6-f181-41a1-9d83-99750172c393.htm (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/4d7093b6-f181-41a1-9d83-99750172c393.htm)
I Like It! What a monster... I don't know squat about building cars like this or what most of the parts are or do under that hood. Has been a true pleasure to keep watching the progress and can't wait to hear what it does at the track. I like the video too...
WOW I'm impressed!!!!
That's a sweet video. I've got a freind (who's a Turbo Mustang guy (4 cyl)) that thinks your project is a MONSTER! He's right.
That Video is sweet. Too bad the project didn't go together in 5 min, right! haha ;D
turbowagonman
78Pinto,
I just now got a chance to watch the videos and I had shivers running up and down my spine. You do as good a job conveying your progress to us all at FordPinto as you do building your car. The Rolling in my Pinto video is excellant and seriously inspiring.
I also would like to acknowledge your wifes patience with you assension to the Pinto-nical of Mount Everest. I keep reminding HerHighness_Horse that ThunderPinto is half hers. Anyway.....SuperCool!!!!!
High_Horse
Thanks alot guys....i'm calling it finished. I have some tidying up to do with some wiring under the dash and a few more minor things i want to get done...but i think this thread is done now. I'll post up some pictures of it and a video or two of it in action then i can end this 14 page twin turbo build thread. I'll tell you all something....it helps so much doing a project like this and having people give encouragement and positive comments, it really helps motivate you to keep going no matter how monumental the task seems. So in closing i'll say thanks to my buddy Chris, for the use of his shop and tools and for the "at cost" deal on parts he gave me. I'd like to thank my very very patient and understanding wife for letting me throw a small dumptruck load of cash at it along with 11 months of all my spare time (taking me away from her). And last but not least...you guys for your motivational comments and positive inputs. Peace out....... :peace: Jeff
one picture at the only car show i made it to this year. Hopefully next year will be better as far as driving it and getting out to more shows and cruises.
I put it in the ditch this past summer, it was dark, a jogger with no reflective clothing or light, ect ect. stone chips on the new paint (one side will have to be repainted) and i bent 2 rims (gave me an excuse to buy new ones!) centerline qualifiers, very nice, and shiney!! As can be seen in the pictures....it was close to dissaster, but i didn't hit anything! Last picture, has the new rims.
Here is an update guys. The car is running awesome, i put an electric vaccume pump on it to control some oil seal problems and it worked out well. I took it to the track in September, it was very busy, first pass was just a sunday cruise to make sure all would be well at 100+ mph at the top end. Second pass was best of the night....and had to let off twice to keep it in my lane 11.66 @ 118mph the third pass was an 11.90 @ 118mph again letting off when shifting into second. Fourth pass got me booted off the track......mes sed with timing a bit, really woke it up and I was off the throttle three times and then just gave up.....track owner said i was done for the night because he said he could see both my doors (standing at starting line) as i was loosing it. 13.39@ 84mph I'm sure it has an easy 10 second pass in it (all this at only 9lbs of boost on pump gas!) but i think my rear suspension is not helping my cause. I must say......i love boost! Sorry, i didn't get any videos, my buddy was going to bring his camera and forgot it! On a side note...i think the tranny needs to be redone, it just wasn't built for this kind of power and its giving me issues.
HAAAYYYY 78! almost gave up on you.
Ohhh man your really testing your luck with that thing! Glad you and the car are still in one peice. Car is looking awesome!
So it sounds lke your in need of some Real traction aids. Like some cal tracs and some slicks! at least at the track. Unfortunatly sounds like youd be testing the limits of your subframe connectors. You might need to go to an 8 point bar. I remember that you had an issue with your insurance but maybe you could design a weld/bolt in bar setup and just "pop" it in durning track runs. Lets face it you cant use all that HP on the street! LOL!
On the trans, i forget ( dont have time to re-read the whole monster post) do you have a c4 or a 5 speed? If its a 5 speed id really consider a built rollerized C4.
Well im really happy to hear from ya again. Was thinking the worst.
If ya can ,keep us informed about what your gonna do!
good to be back, i have home built traction aids and i was using M/T ET streets at the track! My suspension is what the problem is i think. Leaf springs are not the way to go on this, but after all it IS a street car....not a race car. The trans is a C5, it was built....but for about 400hp, not this much! I'm considering a redneck C4, good to about 800+ hp and it has a trans brake. It also comes with a convertor stalled to anything i want so thats a plus as my convertor was not meant for turbo use. While i have kids at home, i won't be putting a cage in it.......maybe they will move out soon! :o ;D
tub it
Did you have to brace the front sheetmetal after you took out the fenderwells? I'd LOVE to ditch my fenderwells to get some airflow out of the engine bay but the front end feels flexy already. That's flexy not sexy hahahaha.
Nice ride. Makes me want to go put air in my tires and rescue mine from the driveway.
I had it braced when the fuel injected 408 was in it but i removed the bars with the current setup....not enough room.
My wife says she wants to keep the car so i'm doing some work on it over the winter to ensure she will have no known issues with it when it's hers. I will be upgrading the brakes to wilwood Dynalite pro series on the front and rear, building a proper nine inch rear and doing a ladder bar with coilovers suspension set up. I will also address the cooling system one last time and put in a good large crossflow rad with one large fan with shroud! It will not be tubbed but i'm gonna put a wider tire under the back also. Here we go again...it really is a never ending project!
man i love your car, if i would have had the money i would have got it before you decided to keep it. You will love the ladder bar set up the my car launches great, the whole car raises up levele and hooks like crazy and stays fairly straight. It allowed me to put 26x12.50x15 mickeys up under the fender wells. your car is really sweet, great job.
Thanks smallfryfarm, i sent you a pm about tire size that fits in the stock wheelwell ect. Any help there would be appreciated! Jeff
Jeff sent you a email from my wifes email address not used to sending email from home so please let me know if you didnt get it. Glad to help anyway i can.
David
Got it, thanks....i'll reply to it found it in my spam box! Jeff
The Pinto left the garage yesterday and is in my buddies shop. Wilwood brakes all around, a new rearend and a ladder bar setup are in it's not to distant future!
man, i need to loaf with you. ;D
Hello there Jeff!
Maybe throw a 6/8 point bolt in cage while your at it! Hell at least you could take it down the strip leagly then! And then pull it out when your "done with it". With a proper setup youll be planting the tires and going straight. I see possible high 9's in your future if you can keep it between the uprights! Hmmm come to think of it, is a "bolt on" even leagle for those speeds??
Well if so then weld it in and the heck with it! TO THE WOOD!
This will be the first time since i owned it i won't be doing the work on it....but what can i do about that. If all goes well and i feel good this summer it will get one more trip to the track, so i don't think i'll put a cage in it. Put i will put my foot the the wood for one all out pass (if it goes straight) before they show me the gates to leave! I'll be happy to see a 10 second time slip on pump gas on 9 lbs of boost, anything faster would be a bonus! I'll take some pictures as my buddy Chris progresses with the brakes and rear end.
cant wait to see how she does. shame your not close we would throw my sticky mickeys on the back before you blast her.
I do have my M/T ET streets, that should do the trick!
The good thing with the ladder bars is it locks the rear, its like having a huge sway bar. And with the frame conectors hooked to the ladder bars it stops all the body roll under WFO, which as you know is the start of out of controll. The body roll causes the car to redirect its path against your will. With the new set up you may still get the wheel spin and maybe get a little slideways, but the car will remain level and more easy to controll while you still mashing the carpet flat. I can put a jack under the car behind the front wheel and lift the car and pull both front tires up the same, and same in the rear.
Don't you just love that tightness. i have welded in frame connectors and a 6 point cage with swing out door bars. That car is tight. I can jack it up from anywhere. If you got power the minimum is frame connectors and i would highly reccommend the roll Bar. You can get pretty creative with the bars especially with the high level of power. either way just be safe...
jim
well, 275-60 15's fit in the wheelwell....buts it's real tight. They are 28 inches tall and i think i'll return them for a 26 inch tall as wide as i can get (i think 255-60-15's is the widest) The 28 inch are a little too close for my liking. Got a custom sheet metal 9 inch with 31 spline axles going in, old subframe connectors being cut out and redone.......very excited!
Cant remember with out looking but it think the perfect tire is a 295 50 16 not sure i will look but it is 26.5 tall and case width of 12.5 which is wide as will fit under the wheel wells. Check it out though i think you will like the fit.
Hey there,
have you looked at Mickey Thompson SR radials?
(http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/images/products/sportsman_sr_rear.jpg)
http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/street.php?item=SportsmanSR (http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/street.php?item=SportsmanSR)
They are wicked looking IMO and have a few different widths based on height of 26 ish tall.
Got any pics to share again?? As always cant wait to see your updates!
Robert
Thanks for the info, my rims are 15's not 16's. I looked at the 295-50-15's and they are infact 26.7 inches high, the same as the 255-60-15's that i just ordered to replace the 275-60-15's that are 28+ inches tall. I am going to take a look and see if the 295 will tuck under, and may order them instead if i think they will fit. No pictures yet but i'll try and get some as the project moves ahead.
Still working on the ladder bar setup, post pictures later. Had a small fire using the plasma cutter, pinhole in rear floor and a spark lit the insulation on fire inside the right rear panel in the back seat! Fire was put out quick but the panel now has a gapping burn hole in it. Looking for a new panel if anyone has one they want to sell. It's the one the seatbelts pass through on the TRUNK model car.
Ouch!!
Sorry man, I dont have another panel. Glad it wasnt worse!
I do have a small fire (big stupid) story.
I was laying down the carpet insulation outside in sub 60 deg weather. The spray adheisive says to use between 72 deg f to 100deg. Ok, SO i got real "smart" and thought " ll'l just use my mapp gas push button tortch." " ill use it to warm up the surfaces and help it flash dry". It was working reall well till i layed down a real thick wide patch and really put up some fumes and went after it right away. All the sudden i heard and saw this big "WHOOOOSH" of flame about 8in high from the footwell under the dash to where the seat bolts down!! I pulled out my fire extinguisher ( my hot air out of my mouth) and in a panic i put it out rather fast.
I about had a heart attack! Then i thought "DUHHH Homer make fire with flammable spray"
Needless to say i was much more carefull the next few times and brought out a battery operated fan to clense the area of fumes before i lit up.
I guess youll be tearing out all the rear panel stuff before you continue huh? :laugh:
Cant wait to see pics of the progress!
Lol, yes we have all had that "moment" when you think "what was i thinking"! Yes i took out the rest of the back interior right away....thankfully it didn't burn the seat or my wife would have killed me! Still in destruction really, as it goes into constuction, i'll post up some pictures....big bulky frame connectors got cut out last night.
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The car is done....for this year anyhow. Next i'll be redoingthe tranny cooler lines and installing a bigger rad, but that will be in the fall. New rear, new 3rd member, spool, four link with coil overs, wilwood brakes all around and new subframe connectors....enough for this year!
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I still love your car everytime i see it i just think to myself oh how many Z06 vette drivers i could piss off from driving it! LOL
Jeff your car is just a work of art!! Hope your doing good.
thanks guys, hoping to take one last shot at a ten second timeslip not this weekend but the next. I'm doing an action video....one i said i would do 2 years ago. Should hit tens with 9 lbs of boost! May throw some racing gas in it and try 14-16 lbs if the traction is there.
Go Jeff GO................. ;D
YeeeHaaaw turn her loose and let er eat Jeff. ;D cant wait to see it.
Strap the camera inside the car for us.
here are a couple of vids from my day at the track Sept 11th
Here is my best pass of the day 11.0017 @ 124mph. Running 14 lbs of boost and zero timing retard on the MSD. You can see i hazed the tires off at about the 1000ft cones as it starts to go sideways. this pass was at 14lbs of boost
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGskXPrm1p8&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGskXPrm1p8&feature=player_embedded)
this was my last race of the day, i just about lost it at the end but managed to regain control! Racing a 2010 shelby gt500 worth 75 grand! The Shelby had work done to it, whipple charger, tune ect ect. this pass was 10lbs of boost
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyxk7-mSkzY&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyxk7-mSkzY&feature=player_embedded)
GREAT job Jeff........ :D :D :D :2fast4u:
thanks Brad....not too bad considering 3:00 gear! Every time i throttled it enough to make the compressor blades go super sonic (the whistle sound on turbocharged engines) i would end up blowing the tires off, didn't matter if it was at 100ft mark or down at the 1000ft+ mark! :hypno:
Quoting Chief Brody "We're gonna need a bigger boat"? Or in this case bigger slicks and a lot of VHT........... ..... :o
lol yea, they only sprayed the VHT to the sixty foot mark.
Man you need slicks that roasting the tires at a roll would make the best of the bests butts pucker. Glad it went well for ya now get ya some slicks and put that thing in the 10's.
Yep, mid 10s for sure .... ;)
Holy HP batman!
That thing will do Low 10's if you could get the boost off the line and through the traps.
Slicks and some suspension tuning. Also how about setting some weight in the trunk?
God that thing is sick. ( i really am tired of that term but there things like your car which just dont have a description)
yup, it's kinda sick....i overkilled it for sure. Thats with M/T ET Streets at 10.5 inches wide....slicks with a couple of squigley lines to make DOT happy. suspension needs to be adjusted for sure, wish i bought the double adjustable coil overs instead of the single adjustable ones.
if you could get that thing in the 10s with some good consistency , id loove to see you on "pinks all out" in the finals!!