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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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71hotrodpinto

Congratulations! Yah im jeoluse though!! Hell Garage??? It be nice to have even a carport that no bitchy manager cares about me working on my ride.
lovely california, any place ive ever seen wants 2000 a month for rent and a garage. Or i could buy a place for $500,000 ! YAH RIGHT! like thats gonna ever happen. Shouldve bought 5 years ago. When i told my wife we needed to think about it then she said WE CANT AFFORD A HOUSE!! Bla bla bla whatever...... Now its near unatainable... unless you want to live in watts. Or similar. Or 100 miles away from work..
SIGH!!!!!!!


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Quote from: douglasskemp on March 09, 2007, 11:04:32 AM
Yeah, well if they want to get anybody else's money from this site, they might want to think about giving a good response.

Still nothing from them....go figure!

On a side note...we sold our house last night, listed for less than 48 hrs!  On top of that there was a bidding war between 3 couples and it ended with us getting $1000 more than asking price ;D  (no, i'm not aloud to spend the extra on the car >:() New diggs will be built near end of July, looking something like this  (yeay....finally a garage!) I wish the garage was like Scotts but i'll have to settle for a two car unit ;D
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douglasskemp

Quote from: 78pinto on March 07, 2007, 06:01:07 PM
Personally.....i don't really think they give a crap, they got my money.

Yeah, well if they want to get anybody else's money from this site, they might want to think about giving a good response.
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

78pinto

still have not heard anything about the emails i fired off to UP22.com about the hood i bought. I'll give them another chance to respond before i cruicify them.  Sent this followup email. 

I did not receive a reply from my last emails concerning the quality of the hood i purchased from you so i have decided to send it again and await a response.  I posted the email at fordpinto.com for all to read....they are awaiting your email back before final judgement is passed.

this was sent on or about Jan/26th 2007:
Just wanted to drop an email saying i got my hood for my Pinto in good shape.  Now the bad part.  I have to tell you i was shocked at the complete nasty job that was done on my hood.  My body man looked at it and walked away shaking his head.  The topside was liveable, but the underside was a complete mess with gobs of resin, hanging hunks of fibreglass and holes that i'm sure will cost me a small fortune to have prepped for my SHOWCAR.  I hope the guy that put the scoop (3 1/2 inch cowl) just had a bad day and all the stuff you send out doesn't look like that!  Three hundred dollars for a hood, three hundred dollars for shipping + import tax and brokerage fees.....and i get that mess..... not a happy customer.  As moderator/admin at Fordpinto.com  from what i received, i would not refer others to Unlimited Products for their hoods.   Jeff Fichter, St. Thomas Ontario, Canada.

and this was sent the same day about 15 minutes after the first one:

Just found this on your website:

All parts are manufactured in our factory in Hesperia CA and sold direct to you from this factory, no middle man. We manufacture over 2,500 different fiberglass auto body parts.
We Specialize in 60, 70, and 80's Muscle Car Parts, as well as our large line of truck parts. Hoods, Fenders, Bumpers, Trunks, Doors, Panels, Scoops and Front Ends are all manufactured by us in our Hesperia factory.  All Products are hand laid fiberglass. and are of medium weight construction. All of our hoods are semi-finished on the underneath, the top side is gel coated which means it needs to be prepped (scuffed up, sanded) to get ready for primer and paint.
Hoods are available as pin on, full bolt on and full race - pin on

There was no "gelcoat" and the top surface was COVERED in small holes where the scoop was put on.  The bottom side was FAR FAR from semi finished!  Jeff Fichter

Personally.....i don't really think they give a crap, they got my money.
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High_Horse

78Pinto,
     Last time to get it right. Don't you mean your last chance to get the right time???

                                                                                                                                       High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

71hotrodpinto

Well i tell ya that with as much as your doing all at once, it should be done right and youll only have to worry bout maintenance. (just dont lean on it tooo hard!!) :accident:


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Quote from: High_Horse on March 05, 2007, 03:13:44 AM
71HotRodPinto,
      So what does a guy ussually do when it's finished?????? He does it all over again. It doesn't seem like 78 is going to be done till there is red carpet on the garage floor.
78Pinto,
      Really nice seats!!!!

                                                                                                                                                 High_Horse

LOL....no the wife said "ENOUGH" with the car, this is my last time to get it right.  Now i'll be spending money on new furniture ect for the house.  But i would like to do a black and white checkered floor (ceramic?) in the garage when time and money permits. ;D
** Jeff (78Pinto) is Missing from us but will always be a part of our community- We miss you Jeff **

High_Horse

71HotRodPinto,
      So what does a guy ussually do when it's finished?????? He does it all over again. It doesn't seem like 78 is going to be done till there is red carpet on the garage floor.
78Pinto,
      Really nice seats!!!!

                                                                                                                                                 High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

71hotrodpinto

Dang!! I think 78 won the canadian lottery!! GO MAN! GO!

Seriously though, good for you. Apartment life pretty much sucks when you want to work on your ride.


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78pinto

we are building a new house.....so i'll be babysitting the builders! ;D
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71hotrodpinto

wow thats super awesome. Hmmm so when its done THEN what are you going to keep yourself busy with?? :fastcar:


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78pinto

I spoke too soon on the engine....another week or two.  However the interior is now completed!  The body and paint should be done in the next two weeks also then it'll be time to assemble the mess!
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71hotrodpinto

lets see some pics of that bad boy!!
:)


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78pinto

Engine is done! Seats are done also.....now if only i could get the car back from paint..... :mad:
** Jeff (78Pinto) is Missing from us but will always be a part of our community- We miss you Jeff **

High_Horse

78Pinto,
    Just a little ribbing in good faith over there in CookieBoys thread. If I were Building the kind of machine you are building I certainly would be following a like procedure. I can understand why you are antsy and then to quite smoking to boot. Haaa!!! I will be tuning in to see the progress, That's for sure.

                                                                                                                            High_Horse
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Cookieboystoys

Fast Times.. looks like it was.. Jeff Spicoli uttering that immortal line, "My dad's a TV repairman. He has an awesome set of tools!"

I quit smoking back when I was 30.. never felt so good.. could drink all night and no hangover.. felt great the next day.. the hangovers were enough to keep me from wanting to smoke again.. now 10 years later I keep kicking myself for lighting up again.. haven't been able to quit again.. found it was easier to quit drinking.. I really hated them hangovers  ;D

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

78pinto

Quote from: CHEAPRACER on February 19, 2007, 09:19:10 PM
My girlfriend has an awesome set of gardening tools, we could have it together in a day.

:text_yb_rotf:   "dude.....don't worry, we can fix that..... my dads a T.V. repairman.....he's got an awesome set of tools" was that from Fast times at Ridgemont High?
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CHEAPRACER

Hell, bring your garden tools over to!
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

71hotrodpinto

Heeeey CHEAP!
were only 60 some miles apart!!


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CHEAPRACER

Bring that baby down here to Ca. My girlfriend has an awesome set of gardening tools, we could have it together in a day.
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

71hotrodpinto

Quote from: 78pinto on February 18, 2007, 10:26:09 PM
i quit smoking 23 days ago...feeling no desire to go work on it right now as i'll REALLY want a smoke while i'm working away. I'll give it another week.......maybe i'll feel abit better about it.


Ahhh now the puzzle is starting to make scence...
man i feel for you... I never smoked but my mom did. For 35 + years. Just quit last year.. Cold turkey. She wanted to stay around to see more of her granddaughters. She tried to quit using the patch, the gum, persc drugs. even cold turkey.. Al she got was the nic fits. These were the only "things" that worked.

I wish you all the luck man! Just think of all the $$$ youll end up saving.. Race gas is expensive! LOL

SORRY off topic....


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78pinto

i quit smoking 23 days ago...feeling no desire to go work on it right now as i'll REALLY want a smoke while i'm working away. I'll give it another week.......maybe i'll feel abit better about it.
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71hotrodpinto

Quote from: 78pinto on February 18, 2007, 10:54:14 AM
sold it all to a buddy for $20k.
:wow:  Do you really think i would do that!!  I'm just growing impatient waiting for it all to come together.






Bad 78, bad bad 78!!

LOL


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** Jeff (78Pinto) is Missing from us but will always be a part of our community- We miss you Jeff **

CHEAPRACER

 :stop: IT'S NOT APRIL 1ST YET!
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78pinto

sold it all to a buddy for $20k.





















:wow:  Do you really think i would do that!!  I'm just growing impatient waiting for it all to come together.
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71hotrodpinto



95' 302,Forged Pistons,Polished rods
B303,1.7 Rockers,beehives
'68 port/polish heads                   
Coated Must II headers
Edelbrock Airgap
Holley570,Msd dist,CraneHI6
Mil

High_Horse

78Pinto,
     Get ahold of yourself.

                                                                                                                                                                High_Horse
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71hotrodpinto

Quote from: 78pinto on February 15, 2007, 11:56:28 PM
i'm tired of waiting.....i'm gonna sell it all and build a Vega.

wow???
are you pulling my leg???
You better be!!!

I know what your doing ..... Just trying to see if anyone is listening..  RIGHT???


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78pinto

i'm tired of waiting.....i'm gonna sell it all and build a Vega.
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