Well, I decided to start a project thread for the 'Green Machine', my 1971 Sedan.
I bought this car from a car lot on 10-30-08! I was told that the vacuum advance was bad, along with the tranny didn't go into 3rd gear! I paid $450. for the car, that is tax and license inculded. So basically I paid $300. for the actual car!! I was able to drive it home, even though it would not allow me to give it much gas. It would fall on it's face if I tried to. So I slowly pushed on the accelerator and off we went. 1st. gear...... 2nd gear...........4th gear!!! Remember I was told I didn't have a 3rd gear, so I was to nervous to try it, so I would get enough momentum up in 2nd to switch into 4th and kinda lug it forward. Needless to say, we made it home! My first Pinto!!
The body is kinda rough on her. Both fenders have misc. dents, although in my eyes they are not real bad. She has some damage to the driver door and quarter panel. Someone else did a lousy bondo job, so that will need to be fixed eventually. She also has some damage to the passenger side rear corner. Hubby seems to think we can pull some of it back out and bondo what we can't.
When I first got her home I gave her a bath, although after she dried you couldn't really tell that I had!! LOL It started to rain about an hour later, lol, she looked good again!!! LOL Bad thing was, she leaked pretty bad from the upper corner of the windshield. My leg got a bit wet driving her over to the garage!!
Things I have done to her so far......
I have put another vacuum advance on her, (thanks to Starliner), this didn't help the "falling on it's face problem, but it did fix the broken advance!!
I have also gave her a full tune up. Wires, plugs, distributor cap, condenser, points. This didn't help the falling on the it's face problem either. So I moved onto swapping the carberator with my other 71 Pinto. That seemed to fix the falling on the face ordeal!! Only bad thing is, the PO rigged the auto choke up so I have a hard time starting her. Once she is running and warm, she is ready to roll!!
I put leather/vinyl conditioner on her rear (orginal) seats, to try to soften them back up a bit. There are no cracks or other damage to them so I wanted to try to preserve them the best I can.
I popped out a few of the dents on the front fenders and she looks a little better, but she could use some new fenders eventually!
Things I am currently working on are....
I have the windsheild molding off to clean around the rubber seal to try to find the leak. I have it all cleaned up and now I am probably going to put a small layer of silicone around the top section of the windsheild, where the rubber meets the car body. I really want to buy a new rubber gasket for it, but for now we will do the silicone.
I fixed the broken heater controls. Thanks goes to Fred for the new unit!!! Now I need to fix the heater door because it seems to be getting held up about half way between heat and cool! For now it is on the heat side of things, seens how it is winter!! LOL
I took her for a test drive today, for the first time since I put the other carb on her. She did really well. Except she kinda scared me on one of the stops!!! I don't now if I'm not used to the pedals being kinda close for the clutch and brake or if it is the fact that when I step on the clutch, the brake pedal seems to move a bit too??? I threw some WD on there and will see how it goes. I learned that I do have a 3rd gear!!!! Like I said above I didn't try to go into third on my way home with her. I was to worried about something bad happening, so I just skipped third. So now we don't have to do the tranny swap!!
Tonight I plan on pulling the wheels off to check the brakes. She stopped ok, but I havn't seen the brakes, so it is best to be on the safe side and see what they look like!!
Oh, I also need a new headlight switch. I turned them on last night and the dash lights would come on, then go off. If I played with the switch, I could get them to come on again. I won't be able to drive her to work until I get that fixed. As we all know, if we don't have dash lights, we don't have tail lights!!!! Need those to drive in the dark!!!! LOL
Here are a few pics of her a little after I got her!
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Here's a before shot of the back seat area.
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And an after cleaning it up! (sorry the flash kinda makes it look worse then it is!!
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Here is a shot of my new sticker!!! LOL
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/myhrdly/Pinto/IMG_6009.jpg) I'm number 88!!!
I will post more pics as I go!!
Very cool to see a project thread started for this little beast. :) I plan on following this one closely. ;)
For your brake pedal moving a bit when you use the clutch...The bolts for the pedal bracket, on the firewall, might be loose. The bracket also runs below the steering column, so checking for bolts there might help too.
Best of luck, and keep up the good work (and pictures :P)!
Cool to see you had a thread started for your green '71. Here's what I recommend on the brakes.
Buy all new hardware, wheel cylinders, rubber hoses, shoes, & front pads & calipers if applicable. Bleed all four wheels until clear, fresh brake fluid comes out of each wheel.
I know this will cost some cash but better to spend a little now & be safe, than have to spend a lot later & possibly have the brakes go out.
Good luck and have fun!
WOW Pintogirl...another 71 GREEN MACHINE!!! I bet even the Prius drivers are jealous :hypno: It looks like a real find! and for great price!
I saw your pics and had serious flashbacks of the Green Machine that would become mine......who could turn down a Pinto that had the really super rare option of 200 MPH scoops....it was just born to be a race car.......
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I agree with r4pinto...Put your $$ into the the immediate things for safety, then mechanical reliability, and lastly convenience and looks :tgif:
Nice! I always have liked green cars.
Get some Meguiar's car polish and make it shine!
Ok, tonight we pulled the wheels and drums off. The brakes and brake lines look almost new!!! Even the wheel cylinders looked new. I think someone has recently put some money into the brakes!! Good for me, now I don't have too!!! LOL We put everything back together and adjusted the brakes.
I was amazed on how nice the undercarriage looked. There was only one spot that had a little rust on it, and that was the passenger rear floor board. There is a hole that is smaller then a dime, maybe a quarter of a dime. Nothing a little fiberglass can't fix!! LOL
I was also amazed on how clean it was compared to the grey car. The grey car had a bunch of oil and grime all over the tranny, the green car is emaculate compared to it!! LOL Hubby did say that he thinks the tranny is smaller then the grey car though??? I couldn't find a number on the bottem, but then again, I didn't look to hard! I am missing the boot that goes over the clutch thingymabob! You know what I'm talking about right? LOL It is the arm that sticks out the side of the tranny that the cable hooks to! LOL The thingymabob!! ;D
Here is a pic of the thingymabob! For some reason my car had 2 of them in the rear floor board when I got it. Is it common for these to go bad?
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Tomorrow I need to adjust the brake light switch on the pedal and also look at the pedals better. We didn't have time to look into the reason they are both moving at the same time. Although they don't move really bad, and I don't know how bad it actually is now that we adjusted the brake up!!
Quote from: Reed on November 14, 2008, 10:20:09 PM
Nice! I always have liked green cars.
Get some Meguiar's car polish and make it shine!
I bought some light polishing compound, but haven't polished it yet. I have some people telling me I should leave it because it has good Patina (I think that is the word)!! I'm still debating on what "I" want to do!!! LOL
Good to hear about your brakes looking good. The hoses & lines in good shape as well I take? What color is the brake fluid?
Looks like you got two spare clutch forks if I am guessing right. With these cars it's a good thing to have spare pieces. I got a full shelf of spare parts from an old parts car I used to have. ;D
Update on the Green Machine!
Well today I started out on the mission of R&Ring the driver front fender on the grey and yellow cars to do the swap. ( I will start a new project thread on that car later) Once the fender was off, I started to remove the door (yellow car). I tried to get the bolts out of the hinges at the body. After 3 broke, I gave up and went and looked at the Green Machine and realized with it's fender on, we wouldn't be able to get to the body bolts easily, so I went back to the yellow car and started removeing the door from the bolts on the door. That was working better. I started soaking the bolts in WD40 and slowly started working the bolts back and forth. I only broke one bolt!! Hubby worked on it and got the broken peice out for me!!
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Hubby then took the door off of the Green Machine while I was working on putting the yellow fender on the grey car.
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We switched out the door handle and lock so my key will still fit the new door (yellow door). Then we decided to pull the half way good gasket off of the green door and put it on the new yellow door, since that one was bad. Hubby then said that I should atleast paint the door jams black for now so it is not yellow on the inside. So I cleaned the door up, wire brushed the rust and then sprayed flat back on the jams and the inner part of the door!
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This is where I had to stop for the day. We have to let the paint dry so we can mount the new door on the Green Machine. This will get rid of the bondo door!!
I think I will try to find some green paint to halfway match the car, and paint the outside skin of the door. That way it won't look funny being yellow!!! LOL
I will need to do the same thing with the passenger door, but that will have to wait a bit. Hubby decided he wants to strip the yellow car of all stuff we want to keep, so we can give the body to our neighbor and get it out of our way!!! Then I can start swapping again, and when I get the things I don't want off of my Green Machine, I can give them to him!!
All for now!!!
Looks to be coming along.
A little advice... Get a can of PB Blaster from the auto parts store. That stuff will help with rusty bolts 100% better than WD40.
With these old cars you need all the help you can get & 9 times out of 10 PB Blaster has helped with rusted nuts & bolts.
Ok, I got some more done!
I got the door painted on the outside. It is a bit to dark, but it will do for now and it is better then yellow!!
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I also got the radio installed. Because I found a bezel that was already cut up, I decided to put a regular radio in the green machine!! I will save the stock radio and bezel though!!
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I still need to make a package shelf, shelf! LOL But for now I will probably just cover the speakers with a towel or small blanket!
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I also added a girly touch to it!!! :)
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I used clear silicone on my windshield leaks and I actually stopped 2 of them. I found one more while checking it and I have put silicone on that spot and will check it tomorrow. If it doesn't work, I will just break down and buy a new gasket. I was trying to put it off till I was ready to paint is, so I wouldn't have to worry about getting paint on the new gasket. Hubby then reminded me that we can mask off the gasket too!! LOL I had a blonde moment!!! LOL
That's all for now!!! :)
Lookin good Kim.. Nice to see your hard work paying off.
Kim it actually looks good with the Darker green VS the other lighter almost tealish green.
Today I didn't get much done on the green machine! We had to get the firewood stacked and also worked on my bird's outdoor aviary. Once all that was done I went to do a few things on the green machine.
I did another water leak test and I did manage to seal the one I found yesterday, but I found a new one! LOL I decided that I will just buy a new rubber, the correct way to do it!! LOL
After that failed water test, the green machine went to the dentist!!! Check out it's grille!!!!! LOL
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I am not to thrilled about the black (someone else sprayed it with black paint) but it has all of it's teeth!! I borrowed the grille from the brown car! When I find a good silver grille I will give the brown car it's black grille back!!
I also rebuilt the original carb from the green machine today! I discovered that the accelerator pump was the problem!! (some of you had mentioned that!!) It was stuck and wouldn't budge, hince making the engine fall on it's face! It is all cleaned up and put back together, so I will hopefully put it back on the car tomorrow. If not it will be done sometime this week!! Then hopefully all will be well!!! The borrowed carb that is on the car now has been rigged to keep the choke from choking and it is a pain in the rear to keep the car running when it is cold!
I will update when an update is available again!!! LOL
All for now!!!
Looks good Kim.
For the grille you can paint it with a can of Dupli color aluminum truck paint. It won't look perfect but it will look alright. I used that color on my 77s grille since it was fading & it looked good as new.
Quote from: r4pinto on November 23, 2008, 07:49:19 PM
Looks good Kim.
For the grille you can paint it with a can of Dupli color aluminum truck paint. It won't look perfect but it will look alright. I used that color on my 77s grille since it was fading & it looked good as new.
Thanks, Yah I figured I would paint it later!! I am just being anxious to get her on the road!!!! LOL Although I do have to wait for that windshield rubber to come in before I can drive her in the rain!! LOL
Thanks for the tip on the paint!!!
Not a problem. I saw your link on the windshield seal so I'll definitely be saving it for when I have the cash to replace my seal. It's been siliconed last year & more cracks develop. I gotta get a headliner then as well since the windshield has to be out to replace it.
Quote from: r4pinto on November 23, 2008, 08:10:44 PM
Not a problem. I saw your link on the windshield seal so I'll definitely be saving it for when I have the cash to replace my seal. It's been siliconed last year & more cracks develop. I gotta get a headliner then as well since the windshield has to be out to replace it.
I too wanted to wait to replace the rubber. I need to paint the car yet and although the headliner is in decent condition, it does have a few rips in it. So it would be nice to eventually replace it. Hubby say's that he will be able to get the windshield and rubber back out if we need to! He say's it is just like a VW bug on the way it is installed. He used to do it all the time with them!! So I decided it would be easier to solve the leaks, which go up under the dash too, by just doing the seal now! I most likely wont be putting a headliner in for a few years anyway, unless the current one gets any worse then it is now. I will take pics of it tomorrow. Maybe you all will have ideas on how to "patch" the rips for now!!!!
Kim
Be careful with the headliner!
I let one of my ex's drive my car around before I got my license. She "scraped" the headliner with the baby seat while putting it in the back seat. Although it didn't truely damage the headliner, it put enough pressure and tension against it to tear the threads. From that point on it just kept tearing more and more each month.
I eventually used black gorilla tape to hold it up and out of my face when driving. I have since removed the tape and temporarily sewn the headliner back together at the seams so it isn't so ghetto looking. It isn't perfect, but it's better than tape! :D
You could prolly take a curved needle & thread to patch it. I sorta did a typical guy repair with duck tape & staples. Funny thing is the thing is actually holding & doesn't look too bad after I hit it with flat black spray paint :)
Good luck.. looking forward to the next update. Gets me motivated to work on my 77 some more.
Quote from: r4pinto on November 23, 2008, 08:35:43 PM
You could prolly take a curved needle & thread to patch it. I sorta did a typical guy repair with duck tape & staples. Funny thing is the thing is actually holding & doesn't look too bad after I hit it with flat black spray paint :)
Good luck.. looking forward to the next update. Gets me motivated to work on my 77 some more.
LOL, that is pretty good, duck tape!!! LOL
What I did with my VW Bus's headliner was use patches (the kind that have different designs and sayings) and spray glued them on. Bad thing is, they didn't stay up that long. I either used lousy spray glue or the 100 +- degree weather is just to much for them!! LOL Maybe I will find a curved needle and sew the patches on the headliner!!! Thanks for the curved needle idea!!! :)
Speaking of curved needles....
If your head liner does happen to tear at the seams, what I did was used a curved needle and heavy duty upholstery thread to sew the head liner back together, as well as a few loops around the tension bar every 3-4 inches. That way the headliner is still suspended every 8-10 inches like it was from the factory!
r4pinto gets a 1up from me for the curved needle comment! :D
In my opinion, you are better off putting in a new headliner if the threads are deteriorated. Years ago, I installed new window gaskets on my 67 Mustang without replacing the original headliner. The threads were starting to deteriorate in some areas but I thought all would be the same with the new gaskets. Well the new gaskets, front and rear, evendently put enough tension on the original headliner that it dropped when I rolled the window down. I then went the cheap route and had the headliner glued in around the windows instead of pulling the glass again and lipping it over as it should be. During the hot months, again with the windows down, the headliner would separate from around the rear glass. Eventually I had enough of that and pulled the windows and replaced the headliner, this time lipping it over.
Also, I think the Pinto's require some sealant to be leak free which will not make it easy to remove once installed.
Well, it's back to the drawing board on the "fall on the face" problem!
I rebuilt the carb and put it back on the car today. It starts right up and idles perfect. Soon as I step on the gas, it falls on it's face. When I took the carb apart I counted how many turns it took to take the idle screw out and the other screw that is to the left of the idle screw. I turned them that many times when I put them back in. I had read that you are supposed to screw the idle screw all the way in, then back it out 1 and a half times. So I did that and tried starting the car again. Again started right up and ran great, till I stepped on the gas. I then started messing with the screw to the left of the idle screw. I got it to where the car idled like crap by turning the screw into the carb. I started turning it back out and it would idle better but would still bogg when giving it the gas.
Where should that screw to the left of the idle screw be adjusted at? Like, how many turns from tight should I turn it back out?
I will probably just wait for hubby to get home and have him look at it. If all else fails, I may take the carb that doesn't choke worth a darn, but works great giving it gas, and put the good choke from the falls on your face carb on it! It's just so darn madning when you spend all that time rebuilding the carb to have it have the same problem!! Uggghhh!!! LOL Wonder how much a new or re maned carb is? LOL
I will update when we figure out what the problem is.
On another note, I ordered my windshield rubber and I got a reply the next day saying that it is either on back order or being drop shipped (don't know what the drop shipped means). So I guess it will be a while before it comes. Guess that is ok, since I can't get the darn car to run right!!! LOL
There might be some dirt in one of the ports or jets of the carb. You put on a new fuel filter? Also how were the internal adjustments, like float settings, so on & so forth..
Quote from: r4pinto on November 25, 2008, 08:09:08 PM
There might be some dirt in one of the ports or jets of the carb. You put on a new fuel filter? Also how were the internal adjustments, like float settings, so on & so forth..
Doh!!!!! Forgot to change the filter!!!
As far as the adjustments of float and all, I just put everything back the way it came out! I can take apart and clean and put back together, don't know much about adjustment parts of it!! LOL When I had it almost put together, the float hung down nicely!! LOL So I'm pretty sure it is letting gas in the bowl!!! Couldn't tell you if it is letting enough gas in though!! LOL
Hubby is going to look at it. He say's he will probably see if he can get some good (from another state) carb dip, and re do my efforts, but in more detail. I only sprayed everything down with carb cleaner in a spray can, and put all new carb kit stuff in it! Guess that didn't work to well!! LOL
Well there you go. The carb spray isn't as potent to break down the dirt that can be in the carb. Sounds like he's got the right idea by getting the carb dip for it. I used that for mine & let the body soak in it over night.... With it disassembled of course. That stuff will eat any plastic & rubber but won't hurt the metal. If you didn't check the float as the directions stated it's possible there isn't enough gas getting through there. It's also possible it's got a bad float. You can check it by removing it filling a container with water & putting the float in there. If it sinks or seems to partially it's probably bad.
Quote from: r4pinto on November 25, 2008, 08:38:13 PM
Well there you go. The carb spray isn't as potent to break down the dirt that can be in the carb. Sounds like he's got the right idea by getting the carb dip for it. I used that for mine & let the body soak in it over night.... With it disassembled of course. That stuff will eat any plastic & rubber but won't hurt the metal. If you didn't check the float as the directions stated it's possible there isn't enough gas getting through there. It's also possible it's got a bad float. You can check it by removing it filling a container with water & putting the float in there. If it sinks or seems to partially it's probably bad.
I will check the float when hubby pulls it apart!! Thanks for the tip!!!
Directions?? What are those?? LOL Just kidding. I did read them a bit. I noticed that it shows that there is supposedly a little washer looking like thing called a 'valve- pump check It say's it is for 1971 carbs (atleast that is how I am reading it). This washer looking thing goes into the accelerater pump (a certan way) then the spring, then the gasket with the metal thing in the middle of it! Well, when I took mine apart I had to use a pair of water pump pliers to twist the outer pump housing off the carb, it was stuck pretty good. By doing this, the spring did spring out like springs tend to do!! LOL It went right down below me. When I noticed in the instructions that there is this washer thing, I looked high and low for it on the ground. I didn't find it. Could I have an newer carb and this is the reason I don't have one? Or is mine missing and causing my problem?? How do you know what year carb you have?
Lots of questions huh? !! LOL
Thanks for all the help.
Kim
PS, hubby say's he wants to get it running so he can get it out of his garage!!!! LOL Because of the leaky windshield it has to stay under cover and because it is not running right, it has to stay 'in' his garage, instead of under my carport!!! LOL This makes him move a little faster on helping me with my projects, it is in his way!!! LOL
Did you put the spring for the accelerator valve in correctly? I know that putting that spring in backwards can cause some problems.
If I try flooring my pedal after starting the car, even after a minute or two of warming up, it will try to fall on it's face. However, after letting it warm up about half way, it's fine.
There isn't a way to tell the year of the carb but there is a part number that corresponds to the correct rebuild kit. There should have been a little ruler in there to check the float drop specs, as well as any other specs the instructions have. I checked partsamerica.com & it shows the carb to be a Ford 1250. That what is on there?
Quote from: r4pinto on November 25, 2008, 09:12:18 PM
There isn't a way to tell the year of the carb but there is a part number that corresponds to the correct rebuild kit. There should have been a little ruler in there to check the float drop specs, as well as any other specs the instructions have. I checked partsamerica.com & it shows the carb to be a Ford 1250. That what is on there?
I went out and checked the instructions that came with the kit and it is the 1250 kit! I don't know what it say's on the carb, yet, it is on the car still. I will pull it back off tomorrow and see what kinda numbers I can find!
When I went to Napa to get the kit, they guy had to go to the back and pull out an old part book! Yes BOOK!! LOL He had the kit in stock, but it doesn't show one for a 1.6 engine in the computer!! LOL So, I learned when you call for a part and they say they don't have it, they are not looking in a book (which I already knew that), they are going by the computer. If they would take a little more time and go look at the older books, the parts are there!!!! It was a good thing I got the manager to help me, because he was willing to go the extra mile and find my kit!!!! Just thought I'd share that, even though it doesn't really have anything to do with the problem at hand! LOL
I would check the accel. pump too.
Honda (motorcycle) brand carb. cleaner is GREAT (banned in CA).
Bill
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=GPS&MfrPartNumber=96197A&PartType=428&PTSet=A (http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=GPS&MfrPartNumber=96197A&PartType=428&PTSet=A)
That's the link for the kit I saw on partsamerica.com. The ruler in the picture is the one I was referring to for you to check the specs & settings for the float, etc. Also forgot to ask how is the nozzle fuel sprays out of? If it doesn't have a good spray that can cause similar symptoms. I used a small piece of wire to clean the blockage.
I used a piece of window screen & separated a few strands from it... The wire kind instead of the meshy kind.
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Yah mine came with that ruler.
In the pic you see the ruler, then in the corner of the ruler you see a gold thing that has a nut type of thing on it. My kit had one, but it didn't have the nut, it had a slot for a screw driver. Also, I don't recall having that big washer looking gasket. In the pic it has the ball inside of it. I will have to go check to see if I have it in the kit. I didn't rebuild the choke part of the carb because it was working fine and I didn't want to mess with that!! Hubby will rebuild it this time though! Everything else in the pic was in my kit!
Quote from: 77turbopinto on November 25, 2008, 09:29:12 PM
I would check the accel. pump too.
Honda (motorcycle) brand carb. cleaner is GREAT (banned in CA).
Bill
Isn't the accel. pump the thing on the side of the carb?
Hmm... well, that's odd. I have a Holley 5200 carb on my car so I can't just go to the rebuild kit I have to take a look... lol.. All I can think is it leads to just something out of adjustment or a small piece of dirt plugging it.
If you were a few thousand miles closer I'd come over & help... lol
Lucky you to not be in cold weather at the moment.. It's around 25 to 30 right now out here in Ohio.
Yes, that would be it. The square piece with 4 holes in the picture is the accelerator pump diaphragm.
Quote from: r4pinto on November 25, 2008, 09:55:22 PM
Hmm... well, that's odd. I have a Holley 5200 carb on my car so I can't just go to the rebuild kit I have to take a look... lol.. All I can think is it leads to just something out of adjustment or a small piece of dirt plugging it.
If you were a few thousand miles closer I'd come over & help... lol
Lucky you to not be in cold weather at the moment.. It's around 25 to 30 right now out here in Ohio.
Thanks for your help!! I bet the way I cleaned it, didn't get the dirt out all the way, so once we get the carb dip, we will get more aggressive with it.
Guess I could put the other carb with no choke back on for now! Atleast I could drive it on my days off and non rainy days!! LOL I won't drive it to work until we get the carb fixed. I have to leave at 3 am in the morning and don't want to have to be reving the car up to keep it running while it warms up!! LOL
Yah, your right, I am still able to ride my m/c to work!!!! Although I will ride it down to 32 degrees. Anything past freezing and ice could form on the roads, and it is safer on 4 wheels then!!
Not a problem. Your situation is very very similar to what I went through in 2006 after Carlisle when I got home on a hook. Not fun, but if it helps someone now then it works for me.
The carb dip. should definitely dissolve any dirt & varnish that can still be in there.
Keep us posted on what goes on.
Good luck & happy wrenching
sent ya a PM regarding further info.
Update!!
Hubby didn't find any carb dip, yet. He decided he would go ahead and pull the carb back off and blow it out with the air compressor, and re clean it with spay cleaner!
He called me on my cell phone ( he was in the garage and I was in the house, what would we do without cell phones? LOL) and asked me how the car ran! So I went out and started it and it ran really good!!!! Yeah!!!
If it doesn't rain tomorrow, I will drive it to my Mom's for Turkey day!!!!
Now I just need the windshield rubber and I can drive it in the rain too!! LOL
Guess what this means though!! It can come out of his garage!! LOL Guess I need to make room under the car port! LOL
That's great to hear! Congrats. If you end up needing the pages scanned let me know & I'll get them to ya.
Pintogirl,
Your car looks real solid. That is good, nothing is worse than a rusty Pinto project.
You stole it for the price!
About that stumbling...
You may need to blow out your fuel line & sock that is in the gas tank.
I had to do that to mine when I first started driving my 1600.
I would by a few Fram G1 fuel filters. They are really cheap too!
They G1 filter are large and you can see when the get dirty and need to be replaced.
You can disconnect the fuel line near the fuel pump and remove the gas cap. Now lightly blow compressed air through the fuel line until you hear air in the tank. Put the fuel line back on & the gas cap.
Install the G1 fuel filter.
Now watch the G1 fuel filter and change it everytime it gets dirty. I had to change mine many times before it would stay clean.
Today I decided to take the green machine to get some gas! We started off fairly good, but as soon as I hit the main street and wanted to get out into traffic, she decided she didn't want to move that fast. It was like she would try to go, then slack, then try, then slack, etc. I found if I feathered the throttle I could get her to go faster. We made it back home safely with a full tank of gas, so at least she didn't strand me on the side of the road!!!!
I may have an explanation for what is going on, and don't say anything to Matt (r4pinto)!! :D He asked me about this before!!! I still forgot to change the filter before I went out on my gas run!!!!! Oops!!! So I will try putting a new filter on before I go any further!!
Oops.. lol.. I'll take your boo boo with the fuel filter over mine with the pilot bearing in the crankshaft that I had in the garage up until June this year anyday :D
Kim!!! Our cars are possessed by the same demon!!! lol. There's a teeny incline west of my home and I have to put the baby in 2nd gear to get her up it, or the SUV behind us will run us over.
I'm intrigued... on the backrest of the back seat of the Green Machine there's some rectangular thingy towards the top that looks embossed with a design. What is it and what's the design? My '72 had nothing like that.
Quote from: blupinto on November 29, 2008, 11:40:29 PM
Kim!!! Our cars are possessed by the same demon!!! lol. There's a teeny incline west of my home and I have to put the baby in 2nd gear to get her up it, or the SUV behind us will run us over.
I'm intrigued... on the backrest of the back seat of the Green Machine there's some rectangular thingy towards the top that looks embossed with a design. What is it and what's the design? My '72 had nothing like that.
Here is a closer pic of the object in question!!!
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/myhrdly/Pinto/IMG_6104.jpg)
and here is a pic of a side door panel from my "Deluxe" trim 71 Pinto!
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/myhrdly/Pinto/IMG_6103-1.jpg)
Looks pretty darn close doesn't it??
The green machine has a normal steering wheel so I don't think is had the deluxe trim. The rear seat does fold down, so I am wondering if that is just a feature for that type of fold down seats?
I couldn't go look at the rear seat of the deluxe trim car I have, but I think it has the standard seat but has that same plastic center at the top! I can't confirm that though, just going on what little memory I have!! LOL I will try to confirm later. The car is covered and hubby has it buried with other cars!! LOL
Hopefully someone here with more Pinto experience can shed a light on this topic!!!!! :)
if you really want to know what your car had use the Vin decoder to the left on the forum, it will tell you what came in your car.
Quote from: 75bobcatv6 on November 30, 2008, 11:37:28 AM
if you really want to know what your car had use the Vin decoder to the left on the forum, it will tell you what came in your car.
True, but that won't answer their question as to what the square thingy is or what the design is.
Quote from: 75bobcatv6 on November 30, 2008, 11:37:28 AM
if you really want to know what your car had use the Vin decoder to the left on the forum, it will tell you what came in your car.
There is nothing to the left anymore!!
I did it once, but forgot what it said! Once I find the link to it , I will do it again!
Good spotting Kim.
I noticed the same thing so I clicked on the home button & noticed it is on the left about 2/3 to 3/4 the way down the page.
Quote from: r4pinto on November 30, 2008, 01:44:12 PM
Good spotting Kim.
I noticed the same thing so I clicked on the home button & noticed it is on the left about 2/3 to 3/4 the way down the page.
HMMM??? When I hit the home button it only has the article about the Magazine, then under that it goes to previews of the current posts! ???
Wierd.. I just saw it & it's under the User Gallery Random Image link. If you can't find it & you want to send me the VIN & I can enter it for you since I seem tio have it & you don't. that is wierd though
Ok, I found it. It is now on all the pages I go to!
There are these tiny little arrows in the top right corner of the home page, they are just to the left of the Classified box on the right of the page and under the Pinto logo. You click on those and it makes the side bars appear and disappear. Right now in the reply box, the arrow is just above the greenish bar that has the "post reply" in it!
I am back to normal, just in different color now!!!
Normal is highly overrated lol. I have never been nor will I ever be normal lol. Come join me.. Its fun on my side of insanity lol.
LOL Matt!! Yah, I'm not normal either! Just my computer is now!! LOL
Ok, here is what I get for the green machine,
Your 1971 Pinto 2 door sedan was the 152261 unit built at the San Jose - Pinto, Bobcat, Mustang plant.
It was originally outfitted with a 1.6 L4 ohv engine from the factory.
Here is what I get for the yellow (now donor) car!
Your 1971 Pinto 2 door sedan was the 131117 unit built at the San Jose - Pinto, Bobcat, Mustang plant.
It was originally outfitted with a 2.0 I4 ohc engine from the factory.
And this is for the brown car,
Your 1971 Pinto 2 door sedan was the 26331 unit built at the San Jose - Pinto, Bobcat, Mustang plant.
It was originally outfitted with a 2.0 I4 ohc engine from the factory.
And last but not least, the grey car,
Your 1971 Pinto 2 door sedan was the 109067 unit built at the San Jose - Pinto, Bobcat, Mustang plant.
It was originally outfitted with a 1.6 L4 ohv engine from the factory.
So basically all this tells us is, what # car it was off the line, where it was built, and the size motor it has. Nothing on the interior or paint schemes!!
On my computer I have a different decoder that will show that information. If you want to pm me your VINs I can run them for you on it.
Quote from: r4pinto on November 30, 2008, 03:53:26 PM
On my computer I have a different decoder that will show that information. If you want to pm me your VINs I can run them for you on it.
Ok, on there way, shortly!!!
:hypno: Crazy, man, crazy.
That pattern, I'm thinking, is supposed to be like "tooled leather", like on Western saddles. I've always been intrigued by that design. I have NEVER seen that "tooled" thing on the backseat, though. I thought I'd seen some Pintos in my time. So I think you have something neat there. Well duh. Of COURSE it's neat. It's a Pinto.
Quote from: blupinto on December 02, 2008, 10:22:47 PM
:hypno: Crazy, man, crazy.
That pattern, I'm thinking, is supposed to be like "tooled leather", like on Western saddles. I've always been intrigued by that design. I have NEVER seen that "tooled" thing on the backseat, though. I thought I'd seen some Pintos in my time. So I think you have something neat there. Well duh. Of COURSE it's neat. It's a Pinto.
This is a fold down seat too! Making it even neater!!!!! :) LOL
Quote from: pintogirl on December 02, 2008, 10:33:35 PM
This is a fold down seat too! Making it even neater!!!!! :) LOL
I want a fold down rear seat on MY sedan. :( :P
Well, I tried changing the color to purple, but you still can't see while typing!! LOL
I put a new fuel filter on and took the green machine for a test drive today!! She ran a bit better. I was able to get going ok, but she still isn't smooth. She wants to hesitate just enough to make her not safe to drive far distances! I am going to try to change the carb back to the one the didn't have a choke. I took the spring they had on it, off, and I will see what it does without that spring! I am thinking it may not have let the choke off, and that is why they put it on there! We will find out later today or tomorrow! Depends on how cold it is in the garage tonight!! LOL I don't like working in the cold!!!
On a side note. If you highlight your typing you can check to see how you are doing!! LOL (while we are on ghost mode!! LOL)
Kim
How wierd that is.. Just out of curiosity, how cold is it out there in Cali? It's gotta be warmer out here, where the high temp was 27 degrees lol.
Quote from: r4pinto on December 05, 2008, 07:49:30 PM
How wierd that is.. Just out of curiosity, how cold is it out there in Cali? It's gotta be warmer out here, where the high temp was 27 degrees lol.
I'm not sure what they high was today, but currently at 5.40pm it is 48 degrees! It is a no burn day, meaning that in Sacramento County we are not allowed to have fires in our fire places, it is the same in Modesto, but inbetween the two, Stockton is allowed to burn!!! You see the smoke doesn't go over the county lines!!!!!! LOL
Tell that to the poor Astro-Safari fully engulfed on the freeway here yesterday. My co-worker and I could feel the radiant heat from it in the #3 lane (it was on the shoulder on a 4-lane highway). Then again, I'm not in Modesto or up there. Then yet again I hear santa anas are coming to Cali for another visit.
I hear you Kim- working in the chill is no fun. Something about stiff numb fingers and all... :lol: But yes, I'm grateful to live where it rarely freezes and almost never EVER snows. Heaven forbid it does here... we have knuckleheads who can't navigate the roads here in sunny clear dry conditions. Can you imagine ice and snow added in the mix!?
Oops.. I just noticed my typo.. warmer at 27 degrees... try colder lol
I dunno what to think about Cali sometimes.. no burn say.. how wierd lol Oh well, back on subject.
Out of curiosity did you check your spark plugs to see what color they are at the end? That'll give you some idea whether or not the car is burning too much fuel or whathaveyou.
Quote from: blupinto on December 05, 2008, 08:08:33 PM
... we have knuckleheads who can't navigate the roads here in sunny clear dry conditions. Can you imagine ice and snow added in the mix!?
We have those out here in Ohio as well. They seem to forget how to drive in the snow one year from another, so they cause more wrecks by driving 45mph on the freeways. Big idiots I say... And that's just with a slight dusting.. I hate to see actual accumulation as traffic slows to a crawl.
Kim, I swear our cars are soulmates!
I replaced her fuel filter too and yet she still shakes like shes got, well, the shakes, and is on the verge of stalling at every stop. I keep my hand on the shifter so I can put her in park and start her up again! I need to acquaint myself with her distributor and plugs. It's been sooooooooooo long since I had a car with a carburetor.
The 74 you have has the 5200 carb & let me tell you they are easy to work on. Very few parts & easy to clean. The distributor is also easy to rebuild. As for the plugs, if they are any color other than tan to beige then you have found a possible issue..
Black means the car is running rich- too much gas. Most car repair books have a spark plug guide at the back of them, especially the haynes books & the idea is the same on any car, old or new.
Well, I just bought a new carb on ebay. I am going to wait till it comes in and then put it on the green machine!!
As far as the plugs, no I havn't pulled them since I put new ones in! I will have to check that later!!!!
r4pinto, could you PM me a link or something about guiding a rebuild of the dissy?
the Holly 5200 is quite easy to work on. It is what I have on my 78 Sedan. I had a few problems tracking down a vacuum leak at my EGR valve about a year ago, but since it has been fixed, I haven't had any problems on the performance of the car!
I sure hope this is the cause of the rough idle. Just make sure it's tuned correctly and you should be just fine. :)
I'll throw something together for you & PM it to you. I didn't have any directions when I did it but also learned what to do in Auto tech. I should have something PMed to you in the next day or so.
Quote from: r4pinto on December 05, 2008, 08:14:46 PM
We have those out here in Ohio as well. They seem to forget how to drive in the snow one year from another, so they cause more wrecks by driving 45mph on the freeways. Big idiots I say... And that's just with a slight dusting.. I hate to see actual accumulation as traffic slows to a crawl.
just out of curiosity what would you consider accumilation?? just trying to be funny as every place considers snow fall in different ways 2 weeks ago we got 51.5 in in 5 days the it rained for a day then snowed again almot every day sence but only an inch or two (hardly enough to worry about)
now back to the regurly scheduled topic.
phil
Quote from: phils toys on December 06, 2008, 11:25:14 AM
just out of curiosity what would you consider accumilation?? just trying to be funny as every place considers snow fall in different ways 2 weeks ago we got 51.5 in in 5 days the it rained for a day then snowed again almot every day sence but only an inch or two (hardly enough to worry about)
now back to the regurly scheduled topic.
phil
My exact point Phil.. There has not actually been accumulation out here and when there is they act like it's a big, big deal. I consider accumulation being about 6-8 inches, but that's just me. Could be more could be less.
WoooooHoooooo!!!!!!!!!!! I have been walking around today singing " I have a runner, I have a runner!!!!!! :happy_bday: ;D :lol:
The weather forcast called for rainy nasty weather today. Well, turned out to be nice and sunny this morning. I decided to take my KLR out for a spin since it has been sitting since mid summer. Took about a 2 hour ride and came home. Parked it next to the Pinto and then looking at the Pinto, I decided to move it over to the garage next door. That way if I wanted to work on it tomorrow, it was already in the garage. Most likely will be raining tomorrow. So I get it over there and have it sitting in the drive way by the garage and I start looking at it and looking at the sun. Hmmm, might as well change the carb now since it is easier to see outside in the sun, then in the dark garage where you would have to have a drop light.
I gathered the tools and went at it. After I got radiator fluid all over, (note to self, 'when car is warm, loosen radiator cap to releive pressure before loosening the radiator hoses on the auto choke' LOL) I proceeded to do the swap. I had the darndest time taking the accelerator rod out of the old carb. Had to pry the thingy wider to get it out. Once I did that I put the new carb on the car.
I started it up and it sounded pretty good. Decided to brave it and take it around the block. First gear, second, third..... time to turn corner...... no throttle!!!!!! LOL I coast to the side walk, get out and sure enough, the rod came out of the accelerator thingy, the thingy I had a hard time getting it out of on the other carb. I then learned there was a reason for it being hard to get out! I put it back in and had to pull over 2 more times before I made it back home! LOL I immediately pinched the thingy around the rod!!! Then I took her back out for another test run!! Then the singing started, I have a runner, I have a runner!!!! LOL
She did really good. No more having to feather the throttle, she ran smooth as she could for only being a 1600!!! I got her up to about 50 indicated, not sure if it was actual, seemed faster the 50, but then again, I'm not used to her. I will bring my GPS unit on the next drive!!
I put her in the garage for hubby to do any fine tuning of the carb. I just stuck it on there and went, so it may need some minor adjustments, but then again, maybe not!!!! I will have him look at it before I drive her again!!
Now if I just had the new windshield rubber that I ordered, I could drive her to work. Since it is on back order, I will be limited to nice days. I'm hoping that it will be nice next week when I go do my shopping and all. I will take the green machine for it's first real outing!!! Can't wait to see the look on the faces of the people at the local "beanery" that I go to!! (Sorry Becky, had to steal your "beanery" word!! It is just so cute!!! LOL)
Ok Becky, it is your turn to have good luck with baby!!!! The green machine and baby have been copying each other for the last few drives, so it's her turn to run good!!!!
Kim
Oh, and did I mention, I have a runner, I have a runner!!!!!!!! :lol: ;D
Score one for pintogirl and the green machine! Glad to hear you have her up and running really well now. Sound like you have hit your first large landmark in your restoration process. Don't you just love the gratification of doing this yourself? :D
Woohoo ;D Im glad to hear its running well. good job and happy motoring!
Way to go, Kim! There are few things in life more satisfying than a Pinto that runs!!! Enjoy!
Dwayne :smile:
;D :drunk:
I'm Jelouse!!! You have 4? Pintos and a spouse who shares your addiction!!!!
Carolina Boy
PS You're doing a great job, Keep it up!!!!
Everyone on this site has great pintos .I drove my 73 today its great cant wait too get it out this spring and go to some shows . I also own a 92 camaro rs that won a bunch my daughter will be the proud owner in Jan 2009 so i can have more time on the pinto still have a long way too go
:surprised: Ooooh I'm so jealous!!! :D
Well, if our "girls" are soulmates, then you're right... except I hope I don't have to replace the carb. It's relatively cheap if I do. I'm wondering why the butterfly keeps sticking open... I see no obstruction... but CONGRATULATIONS on a running Green Machine! Did I mention I was Sooooooooooooooo Jealous!? LOL :lol: They are SO fun to drive!!!
A little update!
I finally dug the green machine out and took her more then around the block!!! I went about 10 miles in a big circle! LOL She ran great!!!! Got one problem though! :( About half way through the trip, I was stopped at a red light with a car behind me, of course ::). The light turned green and I went to go and the clutch let out real fast and the tires kind peeled out and the car died. To much clutch for the engine rpms. I restarted her and was able to take off. I then decided I would take the back way home, avoiding as many lights as possible. At almost every stop, she tried to let the clutch out to fast. Even did it going into third gear once. It's like the spring isn't there and it just zooms into engagement, once engaged it is fine. If hubby goes to lunch with me today I am going to have him drive her so he can see what she is doing. I will definitely want that fixed before I take her out again though!!! If I she didn't kill her self when doing this, it would be different, but I couldn't figure out how to take off and not let her "clunk" into engagement. If I gave her more gas I would just peel out and chug, I don't like that either!!
I did enjoy driving her when she was going down the road though!!! I got a couple of looks, like, what? is that a Pinto?!!! LOL
Can't wait to get this problem fixed!!!!
Kim
NOW I'm jealous!!! You get to drive the Green Machine in a big circle, while I can only drive mine down a hill! lol. I'm not counting when I had to steer the Baby while the tow truck pulled her back up that hill either! LOL! Anyway, good for you!
Quote from: blupinto on January 29, 2009, 09:09:39 PM
NOW I'm jealous!!! You get to drive the Green Machine in a big circle, while I can only drive mine down a hill! lol. I'm not counting when I had to steer the Baby while the tow truck pulled her back up that hill either! LOL! Anyway, good for you!
LOL, yah but now I need to find a circle that doesn't have any stops in it!!!!! ;D
Wow, The Green Machine is getting an update!!!!! :hypno:
I wanted to work on Shaggy this week, while I was on vacation. I have been cleaning my house insted! Spent 3 days cleaning every room, kinda like a spring cleaning, but in the Fall! LOL I did get to putter with Shaggy a little yesterday, but nothing really worth yacking about in her thread! Anyway, back the The Green.
I was talking to hubby about the few things that need to be done to get her road worthy again. So he suggested that I just work on her where she sits, and that is what I did today after finishing my last house work duty!!
Off came the car cover and out came the windshield!! I spent the afternoon sanding down her dash!! Here is a (kinda) before shot.
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/myhrdly/Pinto/IMG_7411.jpg)
During!
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/myhrdly/Pinto/IMG_7416.jpg)
I don't have any after pics yet! I need to make a trip the Wally World tomorrow to buy some Rustoleum(sp) primer and flat black paint! I plan on primering it once I get home. Then the next day I will flat black it!
Once that is all done we can reinstall the windshield, then all that needs to be done is figure out that darn clutch problem. Hubby thinks it may just be the pedals. The were pretty rusted when we first got the car and I oiled and worked them back an forth for a long time. He thinks they could still be binding. I don't think that is it, but we can pull them and see! The pedal never leaves the ball of my foot, so I think it is something more complicated then just a sticky pedal! Hopefully we will find out soon!
Kimmy:
Having the windshield out is the PERFECT time to pull your dashboard!! I simply won't be satisfied until you pull that dash out, sandblast it, repaint it, restore your dash pad, get into your heater box, restore your brake pedal hangar.....
...oh, never mind. You know well enough to leave it alone, it's me with the BIG mess on my hands right now ::). Have fun!!
Chris
LOL, Yah Chris, I am leaving the Green Machines dash alone! LOL I am still debating on if I want to pull Shaggy's dash completely out! LOL I am good at taking things apart, but if I don't put them back together immediately, and I mean immediately, I forget how things go!!!
I am planning on cleaning up the Green's dash some more, but I will do it in the car! LOL I have already pulled the front of the heater box off once. Just to clean all the debris out of it. I was so proud to take it apart and get it back together! Although I did break a nail on it! LOL It was the first thing I ever did to my first Pinto!!! ;D ;D Now I have stripped 3 down to bear bones! LOL If I could just get that good at putting them back together, I would have it made! ;D
I'm hoping once I get the shield back in, the car will stay dry on the inside. The Ghost still has issues with getting wet inside. So I'm hoping I can use Green in the winter!! The Ghost needs new door seals and pop out window seals! Don't know where I can get the later though!!
Kim.... you have a lot of irons in the fire..... The dash looks like great, you're doing a really good job. I had to work on my dash in my 1971, but I don't think it was as bad as yours. My cowl leaked, so I had to have it repaired at two different shops. I think it's fixed. Anyway, I'm glad my 1971 is finished...hallelujah. Looking forward to some more pix. See ya.....Larry :police:
Wouldn't you know it! I have the dash down to bare metal. Went to Wally World this morning for the paint. Got back home and went to primer the car and the wind came up!!! >:( >:( I went ahead and masked everything off and tried my best to spray during the lulls in the wind. To top it off, the primer can I ended up with worked half the time, and didn't work half the time. So I am ready to spray, and the can wasn't! I finally got it covered although it isn't what I wanted it to come out like. Luckily it is just the primer, I will sand it down and get the crap that blew in it out, then re shoot it on a non windy day! I would have waited but I didn't want to leave the bare metal in the open to long!!
Here is another during pic! This is just the primer. How bout that, it is black too!! :) LOL I bought a can of rust stop primer and rust stop paint, made by Rustoleum!!
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/myhrdly/Pinto/IMG_7417.jpg)
Maybe you could try some wrinkle finish on that....
Quote from: dholvrsn on September 17, 2009, 08:05:02 PM
Maybe you could try some wrinkle finish on that....
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/myhrdly/headscratch.gif) To make it look wrinkly? I think I will like a smooth look better!!
thowout bearing binding on the input shaft bearing housing? clutch cable binding in it's housing?
Kim: Well at least the primer is on....use a little fine grit paper on it, that'll smooth it out. Then on a clear and calm day....NEW PAINT!!!!! It'll look great...Larry :police:
Quote from: larjohnson on September 18, 2009, 07:40:48 AM
Kim: Well at least the primer is on....use a little fine grit paper on it, that'll smooth it out. Then on a clear and calm day....NEW PAINT!!!!! It'll look great...Larry :police:
Yep, that is my plan for today!!! I don't think I will have to sand to much primer off, so I think it may just get the new paint!! I will confirm later tonight!! ;D
Quote from: srt on September 18, 2009, 03:38:58 AM
thowout bearing binding on the input shaft bearing housing? clutch cable binding in it's housing?
That is what I am kinda thinking too. I would think different it the pedal actually left the ball of my foot, but it doesn't. I have control over the pedal at all times. It's like I go to let the pedal out and all of a sudden the clutch catches up and bam, we are either going after squeeling tires, or we are dead! LOL
Kim...kinda anxious to hear...how did the new paint look, were you able to get it applied???? The car will be a great project for you.....my wife is already looking for another for me, I think she's tired of me being in the house again, now that the 1971 is finished....lol :lol: Larry :police:
Well, I had just as much luck with the final paint, as I did with the primer. In fact I had to use the button off the primer can to get the paint can to work! I was so fustrated by the time I got the can to spray right that I didn't pay attention when I went to get out of the car, and I must have jiggled it to much and debri fell onto the just painted section of dash!
I can't really complain to much though. I really didn't have the car in the best spot for painting. I will wait til I can pull the car out from under the car port, then I will do a light sand and re spray!
Here is the final look. You can see it is very uneven!
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/myhrdly/Pinto/IMG_7448.jpg)
This is an older pic, but it shows how the car is sitting when I was trying to paint! All I did was pull the car covers back and tried to shoot from inside the car, then get out and shoot the driver side from the outside. It's not the way to do it!! LOL
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/myhrdly/Pinto/IMG_7159.jpg)
At least it is coated with paint and will not rust now! I hope to be able to get the windshield in before first rain, but if not, atleast the moister wont effect the dash anymore!!
Kim....remember....baby steps...we take baby steps with these restorations.
It'll be greaaaaat!!!!! Good job!!!!!
Larry :police:
Ok, I finally got the Green Machine out of it's hole and was able to fix the lowsy paint job!! It looks alot better and by the time I put a dash pad on it, you will never see any flaws! LOL ;D
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/myhrdly/Pinto/IMG_0355.jpg)
Next is to install the windshield, which should be this Sat!! Then it is to fix the clutch issue!!!! Then I can drive it too!!! I already put the buss in it's old "hole" (parking spot) and the Ghost now resides under the carport which opened up a spot for the Green Machine, so I can get to it easy enough take it out when ever I want!!! Only thing with this set up, I will have to cover and tarp the Green Machine when it rains! Someday `down` the road hubby want to buy to more carports and put them in the back yard, for the cars that we want to drive once in a while. That way we won't have to tarp them if they are leakers!! LOL
Looking good Kim, I love the progress!!! You are fortunate to have these projects, and a place to keep them!!
Chris
It does look good Kim. She will be a nice ride.
Kim: The dash looks incredible :amazed:. Are you getting a new dash pad, or having the original one recovered? I've seen some cars at recent shows where they just covered the dash with fabric and such, and it really looked amazing :amazed:. I know the dash pads aren't terribly expensive, but to recover one in fabric should only be a few dollars vs maybe $100.00 for a new pad. Just a thought. If I had it to do over again, I'd have probably just recovered mine, that is if I could do a good job. From the looks of the paint job...you'd do a good job. Keep the pix coming, I've enjoyed them....Larry :police:
Quote from: larjohnson on September 30, 2009, 12:08:45 PM
Kim: The dash looks incredible :amazed:. Are you getting a new dash pad, or having the original one recovered? I've seen some cars at recent shows where they just covered the dash with fabric and such, and it really looked amazing :amazed:. I know the dash pads aren't terribly expensive, but to recover one in fabric should only be a few dollars vs maybe $100.00 for a new pad. Just a thought. If I had it to do over again, I'd have probably just recovered mine, that is if I could do a good job. From the looks of the paint job...you'd do a good job. Keep the pix coming, I've enjoyed them....Larry :police:
LOL, when I said dash pad, I meant the kind that is made of cloth and goes over the whole dash, metal and padded parts. But in all seriousness, I am hoping someone will be rebuilding the padded part by the time I am ready for it, or I should say when I can afford to have one done!! ;D
Kim: I don't know...I'm thinking if you'd get a really thin foam backing, and drape that over the dash, just to get out all the imperfections. Could probably be attached with just a hot glue gun and spray adhesive. Then get a heavier fabric, maybe like a denim or tweed, then stretch it over the foam covered dash....glue (or spray on adhesive) or staple in place...presto!!!!! A wonderful new dash pad, for just pennies. Just a thought, you have nothing to lose, if you don't do a good job, strip it all off and let the pros cover it, or just get you a new dash pad later. Happy repair......Larry :police:
Kimmy, you can also refer to Chuck's thread "Finally Found Some Motivation..." and do the dash pad that way too. Knowing what you've been doing lately I'll bet you can ace it! ;D
Well, it's official. Hubby finally drove the Green Machine back from Wendy's today and it started to do the clutch/tranny/something thing! I mentioned it above, that it will act like you have no control over the releasing. We adjusted the clutch cable when Fred was here and Fred drove it, and it seemed fine although it made a clunk noise. Well, after getting the tranny nice a warmed up, that clunk noise is alot worse, although hubby had control over the car and it never peeled out or stalled. The clunk is BAD!!!!
We have decided to take the tranny out of the grey Pinto (soon to be a V8 Pinto anyway), and put it in the Green Machine. I was told by the PO that only thing wrong with that tranny was it had a bad clutch. No biggy because my clutch still works. Well, atleast it has tension to where the one in the grey car, pedal goes to the floor and stays!
I'm hoping to get the grey car in tomorrow. Then hopefully get the green car in by this weekend. All depends on hubby! LOL
Once the swap is done, I'm hoping I will be able to rely on it like I can rely on the Ghost! That is if it passes the leak test during the up coming rain storm! LOL
Kim: WOW!!!! you and Hubby have a project going. Good luck!!!! Be positive, it'll pass the leak test....well maybe.....Have a Great Day....Larry :police:
Pintogirl its a shame you dont live closer i have a 4spd in the garage floor you could have.
Well, the leak test failed! I am happy to report that she only leaks on two sides of the windshield! LOL The leaks are about a quarter of the way down on both sides. I think I will try a different windshield gasket next time. I have bought the last 2 at Autokrafters and both have leaked. On the first one (Ghost) we tried ot with no silicone or anything at first, gasket only. I leaked bad. After breaking the windshield trying to get it back out, we tried putting slicone in gaskets grooves, both in the one that the windshield sits in, and the one that goes onto the cars pinch weld. It leaked too. The kid ended up having to run a bead of (the stuff to install the newer sheilds without gaskets) black goop around the outer edges of the gasket. It doesn't leak now. That wasn't the way to do it though.
On both windshields, the gasket seemed to big. Although after working with it, the kid got it to fit the windshield, but to me you should have to actually have to pull on the gasket a bit to get it to stretch over the final corner. I checked the box and it did say it was for 71-78, so I figured it was the right one. I think they are just making them so universal, that they don't fit tight enough.
On the Green Machine we tried something different. This time (same Autokrafters gasket as the Ghost) we got some special tape that is supposedly the stuff that helps seal the gasket tot he car. Can't remember what it was called but it is kind of tacky and kinda resembles double stick tape, but not as thick. I'm not sure if it (the tape) didn't have enough time in the heat to get sticky enough to atatch itself to the gasket or maybe it just doesn't do what I thought it would do?
So, when I get ready to do Shaggy's windshield, I plan on getting a gasket off of Ebay or someone else besides Autokrafters. I'm not saying Autokrafters is a bad company, just that I havn't had much luck with the gaskets they carry!!
The Green Machine now sports a nice silver tarp!!! ;D ;D All snug as a bug under at tarp! LOL Ok, so it didn't rhyme, but it's not a rug! LOL ;D
Kim: How about SNUG AND SHARP UNDER A TARP?????? LOL Larry :police:
Quote from: larjohnson on October 13, 2009, 06:18:33 PM
Kim: How about SNUG AND SHARP UNDER A TARP?????? LOL Larry :police:
I like it!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well, today we pulled the tranny. Tomorrow hubby is going to get a new/rebuilt tranny and then hopefully we can re install tomorrow night!!
The huge tranny! LOL
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/myhrdly/Pinto/IMG_7509.jpg)
Exploded view. LOL
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/myhrdly/Pinto/IMG_7512.jpg)
We ended up buying a new pilot bearing and a new universal joint. Other then that the clutch and all looks good!!
I sure hope this fixes my problem with the tranny. Next I need to figure out why it seems to have a problem when at speed. It seems like it has a hesitation with the fuel. Or maybe it is mis fireing. It does go ok though. Hubby had it up to 75 on the freeway, LOL!!
Got the new rebuilt in 1984 tranny! LOL Yep, that is when the guy (now dead) rebuilt this tranny! He put white grease on everything so all moved freely!
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/myhrdly/Pinto/tranny.jpg)
After painting it a flat black, we installed it and tested it out! The bad noise that the old tranny made is gone. BUT now there is a knocking noise! (http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/myhrdly/crying.gif) (http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/myhrdly/gaah.gif)
Tonight we un installed, LOL, the new tranny and opened to top and didn't see any thing visibly wrong. So hubby is going to talk to the tranny guy tomorrow and see what he thinks it could be. If all else fails we will re install it and take it to the tranny guy so he can listen to it! Good thing it's not much of a job to put in and out!
It knocks when it is in gear, and when in neutral with the clutch out. Soon as a push the clutch in, the knock stops. Any guesses?
sounds like it might be a bad throw out bearing. Also check pilot bearing.
might be the canootinary valve off the muffler bearing. :lol: :lol: :lol: i know, im such a idiot, :rolleye:
Quote from: smallfryefarm on October 21, 2009, 07:48:34 AM
sounds like it might be a bad throw out bearing. Also check pilot bearing.
The pilot bearing is new! The throw out bearing didn't knock in the old tranny so we are kinda ruling that out.
Any yes, Smallfryefarm, we checked that muffler bearing too! You know how hard it was to find one?? :P :lol: ;D
It sounds to me like the key here is that the knocking sound is made when the clutch is released. I would re-check the fork and throw out bearing to make sure all that is installed properly. This is all that comes to mind at the moment.
I seen this post and had to write. I had the same noise in the past with another Pinto. It was the throwout bearing. Changed it and knock disappered.
Oh yeah, Make sure the air pressure is 4 psi at the top pf the head light.
Kim: I have no clue.....but it looks like you had alot of good suggestions. Hope you get her figured out....Larry :police:
Ok, so we looked at the tranny and throw out bearings and all and it all looks ok, as far as we could tell. So we put it back in the car and the knock was still there.
Today hubby and I went to the post office in it. He figured we would stop by the tranny shop and see what he thought, on our way back. Well, the knock started to subside. So when we got closer to the tranny shop, we checked on the knock, and decided that we would just drive it for a while and see how things play out! Could be that since the tranny was re built in 1984 and then sat in a shed till 2009, it may have something to do with the knock. Maybe something had a bit of rust on it and with time it will get lubed more and more! If not, we will get another tranny! LOL
So for now I have 2 Pintos that are driveable, finally!!! ;D The white one gets better comments, but atleast I get the "my parents had one of those" with the green one! LOL Sitting at the post office, some guy came up and started talking to me about it and said he was suprised that they even still sell parts for them. Hubby said that I had my own collection of parts! LOL ;D
Kim: I know sometimes my old body gets to knocking, and as I get up and moving the knocks work themselves out. Maybe since the Pinto is nearly 40 years old, it's just going to have to work out all the knocks and bangs as she goes. I just love it when things seem to fix themselves, and everything just seems to come together.
Of course, the Pinto may just now be figuring it out that someone actually loves it again, and she's beginning to come around...lol
Love the Pinto, hope all goes well.....Larry :police:
Wish that theory worked. I hoped that with my '74 with her engine knocking... turned out it was a death rattle. :(
Crap!!!! I hate the death rattle..... sorry!!!!! Larry :police:
My Pinto has had more death rattles than I care to count. She dies, and I fix her, just to have her die again... Darn reaper lmao....
Hey, Finally did something to the Green Machine today!!! LOL All thanks to what I did to the Ghost! And of course Fred!! ;D
The Ghost was haveing issues with the mirror glass and Fred found me a glass and body. So after taking the good glass out of the body, I put the bad glass (kept falling down and had to have silicone to keep it in place) in the body, then proceeded to install all that on the Green Machine!! Someone had put an aftermarket mirror that sagged down. Just looked like crap, not that the car looks the best!! LOL So one mirror fixed two cars!!! I really didn't mind having the silicone on the Green Machine but I wanted a clean mirror for the Ghost, so it all worked out good!! ;D
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/myhrdly/The%20Green%20Machine/IMG_0499.jpg)
Next I will be installing ( hubby will actually lol) a new set of points in her very soon, then I can see if that was causing her weird behavior while cruising down the road!