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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

The 'Green Machine' Project! 71' Sedan

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pintogirl

Quote from: srt on September 18, 2009, 03:38:58 AM
thowout bearing binding on the input shaft bearing housing?  clutch cable binding in it's housing?

That is what I am kinda thinking too. I would think different it the pedal actually left the ball of my foot, but it doesn't. I have control over the pedal at all times. It's like I go to let the pedal out and all of a sudden the clutch catches up and bam, we are either going after squeeling tires, or we are dead! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: larjohnson on September 18, 2009, 07:40:48 AM
Kim:  Well at least the primer is on....use a little fine grit paper on it, that'll smooth it out.  Then on a clear and calm day....NEW PAINT!!!!! It'll look great...Larry :police:

Yep, that is my plan for today!!! I don't think I will have to sand to much primer off, so I think it may just get the new paint!! I will confirm later tonight!!  ;D
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

larjohnson

Kim:  Well at least the primer is on....use a little fine grit paper on it, that'll smooth it out.  Then on a clear and calm day....NEW PAINT!!!!! It'll look great...Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

Srt

thowout bearing binding on the input shaft bearing housing?  clutch cable binding in it's housing?
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

pintogirl

Quote from: dholvrsn on September 17, 2009, 08:05:02 PM
Maybe you could try some wrinkle finish on that....

  To make it look wrinkly? I think I will like a smooth look better!!
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dholvrsn

Maybe you could try some wrinkle finish on that....
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pintogirl

Wouldn't you know it! I have the dash down to bare metal. Went to Wally World this morning for the paint. Got back home and went to primer the car and the wind came up!!!  >:( >:(  I went ahead and masked everything off and tried my best to spray during the lulls in the wind. To top it off, the primer can I ended up with worked half the time, and didn't work half the time. So I am ready to spray, and the can wasn't! I finally got it covered although it isn't what I wanted it to come out like. Luckily it is just the primer, I will sand it down and get the crap that blew in it out, then re shoot it on a non windy day!  I would have waited but I didn't want to leave the bare metal in the open to long!!

Here is another during pic! This is just the primer. How bout that, it is black too!! :) LOL I bought a can of rust stop primer and rust stop paint, made by Rustoleum!!

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

larjohnson

Kim.... you have a lot of irons in the fire.....  The dash looks like great, you're doing a really good job.  I had to work on my dash in my 1971, but I don't think it was as bad as yours.  My cowl leaked, so I had to have it repaired at two different shops.  I think it's fixed.   Anyway, I'm glad my 1971 is finished...hallelujah.  Looking forward to some more pix.  See ya.....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

pintogirl

LOL, Yah Chris, I am leaving the Green Machines dash alone! LOL I am still debating on if I want to pull Shaggy's dash completely out! LOL I am good at taking things apart, but if I don't put them back together immediately, and I mean immediately, I forget how things go!!!

I am planning on cleaning up the Green's dash some more, but I will do it in the car! LOL   I have already pulled the front of the heater box off once. Just to clean all the debris out of it. I was so proud to take it apart and get it back together! Although I did break a nail on it! LOL It was the first thing I ever did to my first Pinto!!!  ;D ;D  Now I have stripped 3 down to bear bones! LOL  If I could just get that good at putting them back together, I would have it made!  ;D

I'm hoping once I get the shield back in, the car will stay dry on the inside. The Ghost still has issues with getting wet inside. So I'm hoping I can use Green in the winter!! The Ghost needs new door seals and pop out window seals! Don't know where I can get the later though!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

popbumper

Kimmy:

  Having the windshield out is the PERFECT time to pull your dashboard!! I simply won't be satisfied until you pull that dash out, sandblast it, repaint it, restore your dash pad, get into your heater box, restore your brake pedal hangar.....

  ...oh, never mind. You know well enough to leave it alone, it's me with the BIG mess on my hands right now  ::). Have fun!!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

pintogirl

Wow, The Green Machine is getting an update!!!!!  :hypno:

I wanted to work on Shaggy this week, while I was on vacation. I have been cleaning my house insted! Spent 3 days cleaning every room, kinda like a spring cleaning, but in the Fall! LOL I did get to putter with Shaggy a little yesterday, but nothing really worth yacking about in her thread! Anyway, back the The Green.

I was talking to hubby about the few things that need to be done to get her road worthy again. So he suggested that I just work on her where she sits, and that is what I did today after finishing my last house work duty!!

Off came the car cover and out came the windshield!! I spent the afternoon sanding down her dash!! Here is a (kinda) before shot.



During!



I don't have any after pics yet!  I need to make a trip the Wally World tomorrow to buy some Rustoleum(sp) primer and flat black paint! I plan on primering it once I get home. Then the next day I will flat black it!

Once that is all done we can reinstall the windshield, then all that needs to be done is figure out that darn clutch problem. Hubby thinks it may just be the pedals. The were pretty rusted when we first got the car and I oiled and worked them back an forth for a long time. He thinks they could still be binding. I don't think that is it, but we can pull them and see! The pedal never leaves the ball of my foot, so I think it is something more complicated then just a sticky pedal!  Hopefully we will find out soon!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on January 29, 2009, 09:09:39 PM
NOW I'm jealous!!! You get to drive the Green Machine in a big circle, while I can only drive mine down a hill! lol. I'm not counting when I had to steer the Baby while the tow truck pulled her back up that hill either! LOL! Anyway, good for you!


LOL, yah but now I need to find a circle that doesn't have any stops in it!!!!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

NOW I'm jealous!!! You get to drive the Green Machine in a big circle, while I can only drive mine down a hill! lol. I'm not counting when I had to steer the Baby while the tow truck pulled her back up that hill either! LOL! Anyway, good for you!
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

A little update!


I finally dug the green machine out and took her more then around the block!!! I went about 10 miles in a big circle! LOL She ran great!!!! Got one problem though! :(  About half way through the trip, I was stopped at a red light with a car behind me, of course ::). The light turned green and I went to go and the clutch let out real fast and the tires kind peeled out and the car died. To much clutch for the engine rpms. I restarted her and was able to take off. I then decided I would take the back way home, avoiding as many lights as possible. At almost every stop, she tried to let the clutch out to fast. Even did it going into third gear once. It's like the spring isn't there and it just zooms into engagement, once engaged it is fine. If hubby goes to lunch with me today I am going to have him drive her so he can see what she is doing. I will definitely want that fixed before I take her out again though!!! If I she didn't kill her self when doing this, it would be different, but I couldn't figure out how to take off and not let her "clunk" into engagement. If I gave her more gas I would just peel out and chug, I don't like that either!!

I did enjoy driving her when she was going down the road though!!! I got a couple of looks, like, what? is that a Pinto?!!! LOL

Can't wait to get this problem fixed!!!!

Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

 :surprised:  Ooooh I'm so jealous!!!  :D

         Well, if our "girls" are soulmates, then you're right... except I hope I don't have to replace the carb.  It's relatively cheap if I do. I'm wondering why the butterfly keeps sticking open... I see no obstruction... but CONGRATULATIONS on a running Green Machine! Did I mention I was Sooooooooooooooo Jealous!? LOL  :lol: They are SO fun to drive!!!
One can never have too many Pintos!

mrpinto73

Everyone  on this  site  has  great  pintos  .I drove  my 73  today  its  great  cant wait  too get  it  out  this  spring  and  go to some  shows  . I  also  own  a  92  camaro  rs  that  won  a  bunch  my  daughter  will  be  the  proud  owner  in  Jan 2009  so  i can  have  more time on the  pinto  still have a   long  way  too  go   
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Carolina Boy

 ;D :drunk:
I'm Jelouse!!! You have 4? Pintos and a spouse who shares your addiction!!!!


Carolina Boy

PS You're doing a great job, Keep it up!!!!
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

dga57

Way to go, Kim!  There are few things in life more satisfying than a Pinto that runs!!!  Enjoy!
Dwayne :smile:
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75bobcatv6

Woohoo  ;D Im glad to hear its running well. good job and happy motoring!

dave1987

Score one for pintogirl and the green machine! Glad to hear you have her up and running really well now. Sound like you have hit your first large landmark in your restoration process. Don't you just love the gratification of doing this yourself? :D
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Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

WoooooHoooooo!!!!!!!!!!!  I have been walking around today singing " I have a runner, I have a runner!!!!!! :happy_bday:  ;D :lol:

The weather forcast called for rainy nasty weather today. Well, turned out to be nice and sunny this morning. I decided to take my KLR out for a spin since it has been sitting since mid summer. Took about a 2 hour ride and came home. Parked it next to the Pinto and then looking at the Pinto, I decided to move it over to the garage next door. That way if I wanted to work on it tomorrow, it was already in the garage. Most likely will be raining tomorrow.  So I get it over there and have it sitting in the drive way by the garage and I start looking at it and looking at the sun. Hmmm, might as well change the carb now since it is easier to see outside in the sun, then in the dark garage where you would have to have a drop light.

I gathered the tools and went at it. After I got radiator fluid all over, (note to self, 'when car is warm, loosen radiator cap to releive pressure before loosening the radiator hoses on the auto choke' LOL) I proceeded to do the swap. I had the darndest time taking the accelerator rod out of the old carb. Had to pry the thingy wider to get it out. Once I did that I put the new carb on the car.

I started it up and it sounded pretty good. Decided to brave it and take it around the block. First gear, second, third..... time to turn corner...... no throttle!!!!!! LOL I coast to the side walk, get out and sure enough, the rod came out of the accelerator thingy, the thingy I had a hard time getting it out of on the other carb. I then learned there was a reason for it being hard to get out! I put it back in and had to pull over 2 more times before I made it back home! LOL I immediately pinched the thingy around the rod!!! Then I took her back out for another test run!! Then the singing started, I have a runner, I have a runner!!!! LOL

She did really good. No more having to feather the throttle, she ran smooth as she could for only being a 1600!!! I got her up to about 50 indicated, not sure if it was actual, seemed faster the 50, but then again, I'm not used to her. I will bring my GPS unit on the next drive!! 

I put her in the garage for hubby to do any fine tuning of the carb. I just stuck it on there and went, so it may need some minor adjustments, but then again, maybe not!!!! I will have him look at it before I drive her again!!

Now if I just had the new windshield rubber that I ordered, I could drive her to work. Since it is on back order, I will be limited to nice days. I'm hoping that it will be nice next week when I go do my shopping and all. I will take the green machine for it's first real outing!!! Can't wait to see the look on the faces of the people at the local "beanery" that I go to!! (Sorry Becky, had to steal your "beanery" word!! It is just so cute!!! LOL)

Ok Becky, it is your turn to have good luck with baby!!!! The green machine and baby have been copying each other for the last few drives, so it's her turn to run good!!!!

Kim

Oh, and did I mention, I have a runner, I have a runner!!!!!!!! :lol: ;D 
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Quote from: phils toys on December 06, 2008, 11:25:14 AM
just out of curiosity  what would you consider accumilation??   just trying to be funny  as every place  considers snow fall in different ways  2 weeks ago we got 51.5 in in 5 days   the it rained  for a day  then snowed again almot every day sence but only an inch or two  (hardly enough to worry about)
now back to the regurly scheduled   topic.
phil

My exact point Phil.. There has not actually been accumulation out here and when there is they act like it's a big, big deal. I consider accumulation being about 6-8 inches, but that's just me. Could be more could be less.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

phils toys

Quote from: r4pinto on December 05, 2008, 08:14:46 PM
We have those out here in Ohio as well. They seem to forget how to drive in the snow one year from another, so they cause more wrecks by driving 45mph on the freeways. Big idiots I say... And that's just with a slight dusting.. I hate to see actual accumulation as traffic slows to a crawl.
just out of curiosity  what would you consider accumilation??   just trying to be funny  as every place  considers snow fall in different ways  2 weeks ago we got 51.5 in in 5 days   the it rained  for a day  then snowed again almot every day sence but only an inch or two  (hardly enough to worry about)
now back to the regurly scheduled   topic.
phil
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2011,2014 pinto stampede

r4pinto

I'll throw something together for you & PM it to you. I didn't have any directions when I did it but also learned what to do in Auto tech. I should have something PMed to you in the next day or so.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

r4pinto, could you PM me a link or something about guiding a rebuild of the dissy?

the Holly 5200 is quite easy to work on. It is what I have on my 78 Sedan. I had a few problems tracking down a vacuum leak at my EGR valve about a year ago, but since it has been fixed, I haven't had any problems on the performance of the car!

I sure hope this is the cause of the rough idle. Just make sure it's tuned correctly and you should be just fine. :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

Well, I just bought a new carb on ebay. I am going to wait till it comes in and then put it on the green machine!!

As far as the plugs, no I havn't pulled them since I put new ones in! I will have to check that later!!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

The 74 you have has the 5200 carb & let me tell you they are easy to work on. Very few parts & easy to clean. The distributor is also easy to rebuild. As for the plugs, if they are any color other than tan to beige then you have found a possible issue..

Black means the car is running rich- too much gas. Most car repair books have a spark plug guide at the back of them, especially the haynes books & the idea is the same on any car, old or new.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

Kim, I swear our cars are soulmates!

                I replaced her fuel filter too and yet she still shakes like shes got, well, the shakes, and is on the verge of stalling at every stop. I keep my hand on the shifter so I can put her in park and start her up again! I need to acquaint myself with her distributor and plugs. It's been sooooooooooo long since I had a car with a carburetor.
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Quote from: blupinto on December 05, 2008, 08:08:33 PM
... we have knuckleheads who can't navigate the roads here in sunny clear dry conditions. Can you imagine ice and snow added in the mix!?

We have those out here in Ohio as well. They seem to forget how to drive in the snow one year from another, so they cause more wrecks by driving 45mph on the freeways. Big idiots I say... And that's just with a slight dusting.. I hate to see actual accumulation as traffic slows to a crawl.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Oops.. I just noticed my typo.. warmer at 27 degrees... try colder lol

I dunno what to think about Cali sometimes.. no burn say.. how wierd lol Oh well, back on subject.

Out of curiosity did you check your spark plugs to see what color they are at the end? That'll give you some idea whether or not the car is burning too much fuel or whathaveyou.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress