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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #450 on: August 06, 2017, 06:52:14 PM »
Sounds like a day well spent!


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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #451 on: August 06, 2017, 07:04:08 PM »
When I got rid of the 77 sedan I kept the door seal I installed on the 77's driver door. The picture shows just how bad the old one was.  I'd say it was amazing it wasn't leaking but when I washed the car I found it was leaking.
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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #452 on: August 06, 2017, 09:51:02 PM »
Pics of the interior work to the car.


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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #453 on: August 07, 2017, 10:52:04 AM »
Please post more pictures showing your work. I'm sure they will help anyone with a Pinto that is less than perfect including my own 80 model.
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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #454 on: August 07, 2017, 10:58:39 AM »
Please post more pictures showing your work. I'm sure they will help anyone with a Pinto that is less than perfect including my own 80 model.

I'll be sure to. I've always loved Pintos, and posting the progress is enjoyable. I may have to step away from time to time when I get annoyed but if my project post will help others it's worth it.

The car will be getting driven to the gym tonight after work, and can then see what other adjustments I need to make to do well on the trip to Geneva, Ohio. A little buffing on the paint should help as well so she shines up nicely.
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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #455 on: August 09, 2017, 08:22:12 PM »
Well last time I drove the car I noticed that at higher speeds the car had a noticeable misfire. I pulled the plugs and 1-3 looked really good, but 4 was another story. It seemed to not be burning too cleanly. The cylinder wasn't rich, but at the same time not fully burning either. When I pulled the plugs all four were over .040" with specs of .034". I didn't gap the plugs before since I didn't have a wire feeler gauge, and they were platinum plugs. Well the gap should make a difference in how she runs.

The bigger issue was the #4 plug wire was broken at the plug itself. I did the usual twist to break it loose and gently pull but that's when I found the wire was damaged. I will get a new set of plug wires for the car and keep the other three as spares for the toolbox for when I go to the car show next weekend.

I'm glad to have found this issue before driving to the car show instead of during the drive. The car was running ok except when cruising and since I will be mostly cruising around 65-70 I need it right.
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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #456 on: August 10, 2017, 09:14:18 AM »
That SHOULD take care of the problem; hope so anyway.  I'm excited for you finally making it to the Pinto/Maverick show.  Whenever I get my orange '74 Runabout finished up and home, that show is going to be one of my top priorities - it looks like a beautiful setting.


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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #457 on: August 10, 2017, 09:20:08 AM »
That SHOULD take care of the problem; hope so anyway.  I'm excited for you finally making it to the Pinto/Maverick show.  Whenever I get my orange '74 Runabout finished up and home, that show is going to be one of my top priorities - it looks like a beautiful setting.


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Thanks Dwayne. I ordered a set of plug wires from Jegs and they will be in tomorrow. They are rated better than OE and are on sale for two bucks less than oreily auto parts. Only $15 bucks with regular price of $30. I have a week to do additional test drives so I'm not worried about it too much. I am also going to get my Pinto tool box in order so I have plenty of spare parts and tools just in case.


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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #458 on: August 12, 2017, 01:19:06 PM »
Get one of those little compressors that plugs into the lighter. I never leave home with out mine.
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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #459 on: August 13, 2017, 07:37:01 AM »
Get one of those little compressors that plugs into the lighter. I never leave home with out mine.

Already got one. Had one for years.
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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #460 on: August 13, 2017, 08:56:24 AM »
So I got a new set of Walker Thundercore Ultra spark plug wires from Jegs. Regular price is $25.99, on sale for $15.50. Ordered them Thursday, then went to the store to pick them up Friday. 8mm wire vs 7mm wire, better insulation for less radio noise. Seems to be a better overall wire. Today I will install them, as well as adjust the carburetor and choke assembly so it actually functions. When I'm done the car will have fast idle, which is more than I can say at the moment.


Currently the car starts and runs but no fast idle or working choke. That'll change very soon.
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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #461 on: August 13, 2017, 12:02:29 PM »
Get a tube of dow coring compound from your parts store. It looks like clear grease and it will not conduct spark.  Smear it into the boots and you will never have a problem removing the boots in the future. Does not melt or run off ever.
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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #462 on: August 13, 2017, 12:09:20 PM »
Get a tube of dow coring compound from your parts store. It looks like clear grease and it will not conduct spark.  Smear it into the boots and you will never have a problem removing the boots in the future. Does not melt or run off ever.

Already ahead of you on that. Got that covered. The boots on the old wires came off the plugs with no issue. Just the bad wire itself where the electrical connector broke off the wire. Could I have fixed it? Possibly but the wires were last replaced in around 2008 on the 77 the motor came out of and didn't want to chance it.

I pulled out my 1980 Ford manuals and went ahead and tested both the spare coil, and one on the car. Both tested good which made my day. I will see what I can find on testing the modules so I can make sure they are good as well.

I also swapped the choke assembly so it's ready of adjustment. The car should start up much better with the choke and fast idle cam adjusted since the car had no fast idle.
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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #463 on: August 13, 2017, 12:18:05 PM »
We seem to be reading each others mind's. X files? Keep up the good work. Not only can you never have too many Pinto parts, you can never have too much information.
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« Reply #464 on: August 13, 2017, 12:23:56 PM »
We seem to be reading each others mind's. X files? Keep up the good work. Not only can you never have too many Pinto parts, you can never have too much information.

Haha you never know. The other three wires will be kept for spares. In 1997 I had an issue with a bad plug wire on a 1984 Cavalier wagon. Broke and had no spares. Ever since I've kept spare wires when swapping wires. A coworker things that's stupid but he's never had a break down due to a simple wire, carburetor, v-belt, etc. The car runs good but if I break down I have a few spare parts to keep the car going.
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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #465 on: August 13, 2017, 12:38:16 PM »
Only time in the past that I had trouble was a float sticking in the carb. Had to raise the hood and bang on the carb with a wrench. Drive 10 miles and do it again, etc, etc.
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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #466 on: August 14, 2017, 11:29:33 AM »
Yeah, the 77 Pinto I used to have left me stranded on the side of the road in 2006 with a plugged up carburetor due to rust, this Pinto left me on the side of the road with a blown left front tire and leaky accelerator pump (day I bought it ). My parents had an 85 Celebrity that lost a fuel pump in PA, the previous mentioned Cavalier problem, 86 Tempo had a bad lead going to the ignition coil, 86 Olds Calais lost a radiator side tank, Headlight on the 77 Pinto, rear brakes blew out on the 77 Pinto.... I've had too many break downs to not have tools and spare parts. Luck is not something I have lol.

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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #467 on: August 14, 2017, 11:41:35 AM »
Had the primary side of the carb plug up. It would idle but only run wide open on the secondary. Drove it 30 miles home that way, Idle / wide open / coast / idle / wide open / coast / etc etc. Never got stopped even after 30 miles thru Denver.
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« Reply #468 on: August 14, 2017, 03:24:36 PM »
Update. New Walker Thundercore Ultra wires have the car running a little better. She gave me a fit with spark but found out it was an issue at the coil connector opposed to a wire issue. Still no fast idle so got to read up on how to fix that. Curb idle feels good once it warms up


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« Reply #469 on: August 14, 2017, 03:45:27 PM »
Think of all the Pinto story's you can tell at the car show. Have fun / that's what its all about.
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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #470 on: August 15, 2017, 07:28:49 PM »
Lots of good work. See you soon.
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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #471 on: August 16, 2017, 10:14:42 AM »
Lots of good work. See you soon.

Thanks Phil, you had seen Harold II and knew of the issues I had with the fire back in 2012 on this car. It'll be a treat to drive her to the car show Friday night.

So last night I started the car, and it took quite a bit to get her fired up but she ran. Didn't idle too well but I still need to adjust the carburetor's fast idle, and choke. I have an old Sears engine analyzer so I will be able to get her adjusted to 1980 specs. The carb was adjusted to 1977 specs, and ran well once upon a time. When the 77's days were numbered the carb got quirky. I never adjusted it since at the time I was going to use the car's original carburetor. Well, even after cleaning it never ran so I was forced to use the 77 carb.

I am going to make sure I have plenty of fluids in the car, as well as tools so if anything happens I'm covered... In theory. Looking forward to her debut to the Pinto community. Got some 0000 steel wool so I can polish up the trim, as well as clean the windows. There is plenty of overspray on all windows, and read from many sources this will take care of it.
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« Reply #472 on: August 16, 2017, 01:03:26 PM »
Make sure you have a spare fuel filter, timing belt, and fan belt. Those three items should cover 90% of what could go wrong.
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« Reply #473 on: August 16, 2017, 04:35:13 PM »
Ain't my first rodeo. I got it covered.


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« Reply #474 on: August 16, 2017, 05:00:12 PM »
Make sure you have a spare fuel filter, timing belt, and fan belt. Those three items should cover 90% of what could go wrong.
Sorry if the response was a little short. I know you're trying to help.

Anyways the test drive went well. New wires and choke adjusted made for a happy car. I also found the choke coil I was going to use was bad. Lastly I adjusted the curb idle to 800rpm and now she runs very smooth.


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« Reply #475 on: August 17, 2017, 12:15:20 AM »
It sounds like you're about ready to roll!  Should be an exciting trip.  Is your Dad going with you?


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« Reply #476 on: August 17, 2017, 07:49:49 AM »
Nope just me. Told him about it but didn't seem too interested


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« Reply #477 on: August 17, 2017, 10:47:29 AM »
Car was cold this morning so I tried to start the car. No luck. No spark again. pushed the wire and connector on the coil and it started to fire up. Plugs  got a little fouled but once cleaned off it ran fine. No fast idle when I got to thinking... The choke assembly came off the car too easy. Missing linkage from the assembly to the carb. Hard for the car to run right without it. It runs ok when warmed up but the choke doesn't do its job currently, and no fast idle without that part. I have the linkage on my spare carb so I will put it on the main carb for now. Better than nothing.
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« Reply #478 on: August 17, 2017, 11:08:46 AM »
Then again maybe not. The linkage is there. I quit. Screw the d@&$ thing. It isn't right and won't be. Will drive it as is. Maybe someone in person can shed some light. Nobody on here can seem to figure it out. And have better luck on Facebook getting responses since most are on there. It runs and drives just not as well as I would like. For now this chapter is at a standstill. I ordered a new left front shock absorber and once the car show season is over the car will go on jack stands for a complete front end rebuild. Some knocking from the front end is starting so I know I need ball joints. I have a complete kit I bought on eBay years ago and also have new front cool springs. Add a new steering rack and it will be able to be aligned as well. Not giving up on the car, just going to put it to rest while the suspension is rebuilt. Rear leaf springs are solid as a rock so those are good. Cool springs may be also but brand new in box I bought for the 77 and never used. I have one shock currently and a second ordered. It'll drive stiffer after with no noises


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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #479 on: August 17, 2017, 03:25:01 PM »
I've seen many on farcebook that didn't know were to put oil into their Pinto. Some didn't know if the thing under the hood was a 2.0L or a 2.3L, I think the people that could help you the most are on this web site. I know you have been fighting the carb issue for a long time. The holley / weber is a very simple carb when you put them along side a carb or FI for a new car. Here is what I know from past over hauls of the carb. #1 Remove the linkage from the choke.  #2 Remove the screws that hold the top of the carb on.  #3  Remove the complete top of the carb and turn it over so the float is pointing upwards.  #4  See where the float is located. There should be aprox a 1/4 (.250) of clearance between the float and the carb cover.  #5  Remove the main jets one at a time so you don't put them back in the wrong hole. Make sure they are clean. Then zoop the remaining gas from the carb. I use a plastic bottle with tube sticking  out of the top. Mash the bottle and stick the tube into the gas. Look in the holes were the jets go for trash. Use low air pressure to blow the holes out. Now look at the power valve in the bottom of the float bowl. If damaged replace it.  #6  Remove the idle mixture screw and blow it out with low pressure air.  #7 Pray its fixed. #8  Put it all back together. It takes very little trash to screw the carb up. Hopes this helps.
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