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2.3 Cam Info
« on: December 27, 2006, 01:53:20 PM »
Below is a pretty good article regarding 2.3 cams.

Camshaft & Cam Timing
There are a few things that you must watch out for when modifying your engine for performance. When swapping out your factory cam for a higher performance grind there are a few simple things that you must keep in mind to do a proper swap.

When installing a new cam it is a good practice to install new related components such as tappets springs and retainers.
Never use hydraulic lifters with a mechanical cam or solid tappets with a hydraulic cam. The ramps are not compatible.
Also, it is very important to make sure your valve train can handle the timing events and lobe lift of your performance cam. Check for adequate piston to valve clearance, Spring bind and retainer to valve clearance, spring bind and retainer to valve seal clearance.
It is very important to use camshaft and lifter pre-lube when installing the cam to prevent scoring the lobes during break-in. Engine oil (regardless of its viscosity or quality) is not enough.
Mechanical cams require lash adjustment. If production head is designed for a hydraulic cam, modification is usually required.
When replacing a cam on 2.3L engines it is a good idea since you have most of the front part of the engine disassembled is to replace the timing belt, tensioner, and at least thoroughly inspect the water pump if not replace it for prevention. Also, a adjustable cam pulley is nice since you can advance and retard the cam to find the best setup for your particular application.

In this section the installation of a 2.3L cam will not be covered. For removal and installation of a cam and many other parts on these engines follow this link to turboford.org. Scroll down the page until you get to common maintenance, repairs, and upgrades. Most of the engine, non-turbo related info applies to our engines.

Ford Motorsport SVO, now known as Ford Racing Performance Parts offers a good selection of hydraulic and roller hydraulic cams. All are good for n/a and turbo charged applications. However Ford recommends to not use these cams on vehicles equipped with speed density EFI. Another excellent source of Ford 2.3L OHC engine parts and a wide selection of cams is Midwest Motorsport’s located in Kansas City, KS and Ames, IA. Their Phone number is 1-800-262-5033. They have been around for ten years and are a excellent source for almost everything you would need to build a ground up 2.3L. They even sell short and long blocks in multiple configurations .

Esslinger Engineering offers a selection of basically pure racing parts for the 2.3L OHC engine. Some of their products are excellent for street use and others should be left for serious race use only. Their heavy duty timing belt and tensioner and adjustable cam pulley are excellent upgrades to do during a cam swap, they also provide all of the PROPER tools you would need to perform a cam swap.

Here is a general Chart describing some of the basic feature or specs to look for when matching a cam with a specific application.

Duration                              Performance                             Engine/Vehicle Usage
   (SAE)                               Characteristic s                           and Modifications
                                                                                               

                                 
                                         

   
270-290
 Good idle quality and low rpm torque.
 Use with stock or slightly modified engine, stock axle gears and with auto or manual transmission
 
290-300
 Fair idle quality. Good low to mid range torque and horsepower.
 Will work with stock or modified engine. Can use with stock axle gears and with A.T. or M.T.
 
300-320
 Rough idle quality. Good mid to high rpm torque and horsepower.
 Use with M.T. or high stall A.T. Requires improved carbueration, ignition and exhaust systems. Engine will have lower vacuum than stock.
 
320-340
 Rough idle quality. Good mid to high rpms torque and horsepower. For all out competition only.
 Use with M.T. or very high stall A.T. Requires improved carbueration ignition and exhaust systems. Engine will not provide enough vacuum for accessories. Axle gear ratios must be properly selected.
 

Cam Timing

The Ford Motorsport Cam Sprocket is a good investment at only about 40 dollars from Summit. You can advance and retard timing to suit your particular needs. If you advance your timing you move the peak torque down to a lower rpm, and if you retard timing you add more top end speed. Try 2 degrees advancing and see how it runs. If it responds well try a couple more. Do not exceed 6 to 8 degrees of timing though. Also, the great thing is , the sprocket can be used with a stock cam and also while you are changing the cam be sure to change the timing belt too.

The most important thing to remember is balance. For every action there is an opposite reaction, give and take. Be sure to build up each part of the vehicle. Every system should be matched to the others.

 
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Re: 2.3 Cam Info
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2006, 06:11:00 PM »
Hey Brad,
Those specs are not realistic for a 4 cylinder
 A mild cam for a 4 cylinder are 230 and a hot cam would be 280..
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Re: 2.3 Cam Info
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2006, 07:14:18 PM »
Tony, we could argue all day. This was not my article. Please take a look at this article as they are not using it for a turbo application. BTW the duration they are referring to is " advertised " duration. Still looks good to me as a source of information.
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Re: 2.3 Cam Info
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2006, 08:16:26 PM »
AH.... Yes...
 The OLD "advertised" cam duration trick.... ;D
 I always forget about that. :idea:
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Re: 2.3 Cam Info
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2007, 09:32:56 PM »
While doing some searching to try to help Matt, I found the following information on 2.3 cams that I thought might be helpfull.


1977 Pinto Cam Spec.s:

Cam Lift (Intake):.244"
Cam Lift (Exhaust):.244"
Valve Lift (Intake):.422"
Valve Lift (Exhaust):.422"
Degrees Overlap:46 Deg
Advertised Duration (Intake):268 Deg
Advertised Duration (Exhaust):268 Deg
Duration at .050" Lobe Lift (Intake):197 Deg
Duration at .050" Lobe Lift (Exhaust):196 Deg
Cam Timing at .050" Lobe Lift (Intake Open):22 Deg After Top Center
Cam Timing at .050" Lobe Lift (Exhaust Open):39 Deg Before Bottom Center
Cam Timing at .050" Lobe Lift (Intake Close):39 Deg After Bottom Center
Cam Timing at .050" Lobe Lift (Exhaust Close):22 Deg Before Top Center
Valve Lash (Intake):Hydraulic
Valve Lash (Exhaust):Hydraulic
Lobe Centerline (Intake):110 Deg
Lobe Centerline (Exhaust):112 Deg


1987 Turbo Coupe cam spec.s:

Cam Lift (Intake):.238"
Cam Lift (Exhaust):.238"
Valve Lift (Intake):.412"
Valve Lift (Exhaust):.412"
Degrees Overlap:28 Deg
Advertised Duration (Intake):248 Deg
Advertised Duration (Exhaust):250 Deg
Duration at .050" Lobe Lift (Intake):187 Deg
Duration at .050" Lobe Lift (Exhaust):189 Deg
Cam Timing at .050" Lobe Lift (Intake Open):23 Deg After Top Center
Cam Timing at .050" Lobe Lift (Exhaust Open):39 Deg Before Bottom Center
Cam Timing at .050" Lobe Lift (Intake Close):30 Deg After Bottom Center
Cam Timing at .050" Lobe Lift (Exhaust Close):30 Deg Before Top Center
Valve Lash (Intake):Hydraulic
Valve Lash (Exhaust):Hydraulic
Lobe Centerline (Intake):108 Deg
Lobe Centerline (Exhaust):116 Deg


Ranger Roller Cam spec.s:

Cam Lift (Intake):.216"
Cam Lift (Exhaust):.216"
Valve Lift (Intake):.355"
Valve Lift (Exhaust):.355"
Duration at .050" Lobe Lift (Intake):189 Deg
Duration at .050" Lobe Lift (Exhaust):186 Deg
Valve Lash (Intake):Hydraulic
Valve Lash (Exhaust):Hydraulic


Please Note: I got these numbers from an aftermarket company, not from Ford.

I was told by a NAPA person that all 2.3 slider cams had the same part number, this I found to be wrong on NAPA's web site. Oh, well...

I can tell you that my EFI 2.3T did not like the Pinto cam I had in it, and the 'Ranger' cam has a better torque curve for my set-up.

BTW: Please don't think the Ranger one is junk just by looking at those numbers. The roller followers have different geometry and they "change" the 'spec.s' as the relate to the valvetrain. From my findings so far it seems that all 2.3 'roller' cams are the same, BUT the followers changed. With my best efforts (so far) I believe that the change was made in iether 93 or 95. The change was made due to the valve stems being smaller in that and later years. I was not able to find a listing for 95 and later followers.

There is a rumor around that the 'Ranger' cam is a performance part (mostly said by ebay sellers). It is not, it is fairly mild (stock) and the real power benefit is in the reduction of friction; the other benefit is it if FAR more durable and does not loose it's lobes like the sliders do.

Some people have stated that you can interchange roller followers and sliders with either type of cam. I have never done it.

There might be other cams too, but with my 'dial-up' I am not doing any more searches any time soon.

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Re: 2.3 Cam Info
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2008, 01:51:13 AM »

BTW: Please don't think the Ranger one is junk just by looking at those numbers. The roller followers have different geometry and they "change" the 'spec.s' as the relate to the valvetrain. From my findings so far it seems that all 2.3 'roller' cams are the same, BUT the followers changed. With my best efforts (so far) I believe that the change was made in iether 93 or 95. The change was made due to the valve stems being smaller in that and later years. I was not able to find a listing for 95 and later followers.

There is a rumor around that the 'Ranger' cam is a performance part (mostly said by ebay sellers). ( It is not, ) it is fairly mild (stock) and the real power benefit is in the reduction of friction; the other benefit is it if FAR more durable and does not loose it's lobes like the sliders do.
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wail doing my own research i came across this info too.  asked the old man about it and was told it was most likely  due to the difference in cam timing and reduced drag (fiction)  that this cam gave  better performance. in regard to tork for use in a truck application. this being said i would say that this is a ford developed performance improvement.  though it is stock in a ranger (and some mustangs) i would call it a pinto performance part. but this is all opinion.  so call it what u like
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Re: 2.3 Cam Info
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2008, 08:03:46 AM »
I agree with Pintony on the duration specs.270 deg is a good street cam But 290 deg is getting a little warm,300 to 320 Deg is getting pretty hot for street use.A mild street cam for a motor this size is going to be in the 250 to 260 deg adv duration,Street strip cams will run in the 270 to 280 deg range,and a hot street strip cam will run in the 290 to 300 deg range.Any thing larger than this is really too much for the street and should be considered race only.
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2010, 10:03:05 PM »
I think the reason the stock pinto cam doesnt work well in turbo apps is the overlap if 10° = 5% boost loss then you lose 20% after the computer has adjusted for a set boost level then the O2 Reads rich and it gets confused... The other thing about roller cams at least in most apps the valve opens faster than non rollers in a way giving "longer" duration.  Matt

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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2010, 10:08:41 PM »
Looking at the roller cam specs it can only have 15° overlap... No wonder all the turbo guys here and turboford have the best results with that cam

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Re: 2.3 Cam Info
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2010, 04:54:46 AM »
Just thought I would add this to the thread. (yes I see it is old) 

This shop reground my 2.8 cam for me. This is all they do are custom grinds. Very nice place to do business with, they work with your old shaft, you send them yours, they grind it to your specs (or tell them what you are looking for) and they will grind, then mail you your cam back. (they also grind lifters to match the cam) check them out.

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