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Re: Taking the turbo plunge!
« Reply #120 on: May 07, 2015, 09:43:54 AM »
The clips are just a redundant safety feature; there is a garter spring inside the [spring-lock] connector that you have to release with a special tool in order separate them.

I found this video in a Google search:


Mine has Bundy fittings with plastic (one-time use) safety clips since it's pre-'87. I like the spring-locks better though.

Ahhh. I see. Thank you sir.
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« Reply #121 on: May 07, 2015, 12:00:16 PM »
Is there a part number for that tool? Or at least a name for it?
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Re: Taking the turbo plunge!
« Reply #122 on: May 07, 2015, 12:47:40 PM »
I always left the line at the rail alone and just disconnect further down at the solid fuel line. The plastic clip comes out the side and then it either pulls off, or possibly a small screwdriver helps to remove a "snap" type of retainer.  I have a vague recollection that the supply/return line connectors are different and each requires one of the methods???

The tool you want (assuming you elect to remove the circular spring clip at the rail) is used for auto air conditioning. They come either as a plastic, stand alone size, or as a two sized piece die cast part that has a center pivot like pliers.  The few times I've used them I had trouble. I eventually cut a short piece of PVC pipe in half, slide the halves into the area and pivoted  the pieces off the raised edge of the hose connector.  This forced the spring outward and allowed the removal. If your hose doesn't have a raised area tape or thick wire would probably work.  You just want the plastic halves to pivot so they will force the circular spring outward. Large pliers or a hose clamp will work if finger pressure isn't enough. I had to alter (thin) the halves diameter somewhat to fit.  Just be forewarned that even with a manufactured tool it can be frustrating if it isn't the exact right size.

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Re: Taking the turbo plunge!
« Reply #123 on: May 08, 2015, 11:00:37 AM »
Got a tool like the one in the video. Worked great! So how are you guys addressing the dipstick issue? I'm assuming you moved it too, when you put the pinto oil pan on. And did you drill a bung for the oil sensor in the pinto oil pan, or delete the sensor?
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Re: Taking the turbo plunge!
« Reply #124 on: May 08, 2015, 12:06:49 PM »
Glad the removal tool worked.

The dip stick move is simple. I did a slight modification to "tuck in" the stick to the intake manifold (but at the moment I can't remember specifically what it was). 

Yes, I just did without the oil level sensor (that is what you are referring to?). At least in a junkyard getting one of the two star bolts off off the oil pick up can be a real pain. The T/C oil pan gasket isn't cheap ($25-$30) but I reused it and don't have issues.

Man, this is really having me relive my project. You forget all the stuff you needed to acquire even having the donor car - oil pan, oil pick up, engine mounts, bellcrank bellhousing, clutch pedal, clutch cable, external fuel pump, radiator,  electric cooling fan, smaller heater motor. Then there are the modifications to the PS inner fender, trans tunnel, trans mount, VAM mount, heater motor, radiator cradle, motor mounts, steering rack (clearance), top of intake/throttle body (clearance) windshield washer tank, fuel and return lines - routing the wiring and mounting everything etc. And then I made it more complicated with with the T/C steering column and fuse box! It's time for a nap just thinking about it all.

At least you have a 76 which makes the motor mounts simple. I had my engine in/out seven times before committing to welding the mount. I recall 65SC said he did about the same.

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Re: Taking the turbo plunge!
« Reply #125 on: May 08, 2015, 12:24:11 PM »
Glad the removal tool worked.

The dip stick move is simple. I did a slight modification to "tuck in" the stick to the intake manifold (but at the moment I can't remember specifically what it was). 

Yes, I just did without the oil level sensor (that is what you are referring to?). At least in a junkyard getting one of the two star bolts off off the oil pick up can be a real pain. The T/C oil pan gasket isn't cheap ($25-$30) but I reused it and don't have issues.

Man, this is really having me relive my project. You forget all the stuff you needed to acquire even having the donor car - oil pan, oil pick up, engine mounts, bellcrank bellhousing, clutch pedal, clutch cable, external fuel pump, radiator,  electric cooling fan, smaller heater motor. Then there are the modifications to the PS inner fender, trans tunnel, trans mount, VAM mount, heater motor, radiator cradle, motor mounts, steering rack (clearance), top of intake/throttle body (clearance) windshield washer tank, fuel and return lines - routing the wiring and mounting everything etc. And then I made it more complicated with with the T/C steering column and fuse box! It's time for a nap just thinking about it all.

At least you have a 76 which makes the motor mounts simple. I had my engine in/out seven times before committing to welding the mount. I recall 65SC said he did about the same.


It's all worth it though. And fun for the whole family. Hopefully you don't go full senile on me, I'm sure I'll be asking for many more wisdom nuggets as I progress. And Thanks to you guys for all the help. This would be much less enjoyable if I was going in blind.
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Re: Taking the turbo plunge!
« Reply #126 on: May 08, 2015, 12:27:50 PM »
On the dip stick subject, you didn't move to the deep end of the pinto pan?
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Re: Taking the turbo plunge!
« Reply #127 on: May 08, 2015, 12:30:35 PM »
On the dip stick subject, you didn't move to the deep end of the pinto pan?
Not to Hijack, but I've been in the Deep end of my Pan for some time, and I'm sure I've been called a Dipstick too! ;D
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Re: Taking the turbo plunge!
« Reply #128 on: May 08, 2015, 03:26:37 PM »
Since it was about seven years ago I've forgotten exactly what I did. But here are pictures of the installation. As you can see in the lower view image the stick goes inside the motor mount area, but towards the back. As best I recall this is the T/C stick and tube.  There might be a height difference between the front and back holes.  With the pans off I would measure where it is at presently  and then again after it is moved to ensure that "full" is really full. The upper view image shows how I tucked it close to the intake just to get it out of the way. I'd assume if you just used the Pinto stick and tube in the forward hole everything would be fine.


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Re: Taking the turbo plunge!
« Reply #129 on: May 08, 2015, 08:13:48 PM »
There ought to be two dipstick holes in the block on the driver's side. I did almost exactly what Wittsend did as far as placement. The original dipstick hole rearward of the oil cooler will have to be plugged and the front one will have a welch plug in that needs to be knocked-out.

I had hoped to reuse the plug, but it shot into the grass and leaves beside my workspace when I punched it out from the sump side.  :P

I also used a C-Line 7qt pan. The dipstick reads a quart+ low when there are seven in the sump.  :o

On a side note, I don't think the low oil sensor is tied to the ECU, so disconnecting it shouldn't pose a problem. Most of them leak anyway.
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Re: Taking the turbo plunge!
« Reply #130 on: May 10, 2015, 11:46:07 AM »
The juicy circuit laden fruit, fresh picked!



Something is missing...



Oh, there it is.



And the little gem I found under the boot.





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« Reply #131 on: May 10, 2015, 04:38:33 PM »
Ahhh..., yes, fond memories. Why is it when it is someone else's wires they seem so few? LOL And, yes, I did cut the cradle support to get the engine out. A salvage title and a rat in the HVAC system saw to that.

 Nice find under the shifter boot!

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« Reply #132 on: May 11, 2015, 10:18:59 AM »
Well I didn't pull the steering column looms, so it should be less than yours. I pulled out some extras along with what I need, just to simplify removal. I'll trim that out during install. I got to have me some fun "disassembling" the inner dash/instrument supports... with a hammer! Having a little trouble finding the right bell housing/fork setups. Anyone got an extra one they want to part with?
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Re: Taking the turbo plunge!
« Reply #133 on: May 11, 2015, 11:53:41 AM »
I'm sure the bellhousing etc. are out there but it may take some hunting.  While I limit myself to "self serve" yards finding anything Turbo Coupe of late has been extremely difficult.  I did my swap in mid-2008 and at that time the two yards I frequent probably had 3-5 T/C's every month I would visit. Within six months of starting the project it dropped to 1-2 T/C's per visit.

 In the last two years I believe I have found 1 T/C. that car was an '88. Great for the LA-3 ECU, but it would have the hydraulic clutch which the Pinto swaps don't need.  These yards aren't out in the middle of nowhere either.  They serve the western side of Los Angeles, the second largest city in the country.

So, again, another reason to be thankful for having the donor car.

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Re: Taking the turbo plunge!
« Reply #134 on: May 11, 2015, 12:03:44 PM »
I GOT A BELLHOUSING FROM A 93 MUSTANG 2.3 THAT WAS CABLE OPERATED

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« Reply #135 on: May 11, 2015, 12:26:49 PM »
I GOT A BELLHOUSING FROM A 93 MUSTANG 2.3 THAT WAS CABLE OPERATED

If I can't find one local in the next day or two, I'll be hitting you up.
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Re: Taking the turbo plunge!
« Reply #136 on: May 11, 2015, 12:29:01 PM »
JUST LET ME KNOW.IM NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH IT

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« Reply #137 on: May 12, 2015, 10:58:58 PM »
Ordered the bellhousing and fork from a reputable parts hoarder! Thanks PintoCrazed. I dug out my ol' 100 amp mig to get ready for the sheet metal work on the pinto. I think I can get most of my welding done while keeping the pinto drivable, cutting the down time for it by a couple of days.

 Is the electric speedo something I need for the engine management system? I want to use my mechanical gauge.
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« Reply #138 on: May 14, 2015, 09:52:22 AM »
I'm about to scrap the rest of the tbird. I have everything I want off of it. Is there anything any of you want off of it before I do? No charge, just cover the shipping.
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« Reply #139 on: May 14, 2015, 10:33:32 AM »
YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ROB THE STUFF OFF THE BACK IF IT HAS REAR DISK

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« Reply #140 on: May 14, 2015, 11:29:30 AM »
YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ROB THE STUFF OFF THE BACK IF IT HAS REAR DISK

Already pulled and sold. I do wish it would have fit the pinto.
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« Reply #141 on: May 14, 2015, 01:42:18 PM »
Is the electric speedo something I need for the engine management system? I want to use my mechanical gauge.

No, but it has come under discussion of late how the ECU determines what gear you are in and adjusts the ECU boost control.  65SC thought that the speedo pulse counter in the trans measured against the RPM was able to determine that. So, you should make sure you have that. It is not that we have arrived at a solution or if it is even really needed, but the counter is good to have.  There are Tee drives available that would function both at the same time.

I'd also look at everything that has a form of attachment. As an example I mounted my VAM in the forward section of the passenger wheel well. The turbo inlet points in that direction and at least on the '73 space is limited.  I wound up using a highly modified version of the T/C VAM mount to locate it. (Images - bracket, bracket, where it was mounted) Note also the modification to the bumper mount for the (stock) air cleaner to avoid blocking the inlet.

For what it's worth I stripped my '88 of EVERYTHING but the doors, glass, trunk front suspension and welded in the Pinto rear. I made a pipe up with an old steering wheel to steer it.  Most yards wanted $100+ to haul it away, but I found someone to take it for free.  Having the Pink Slip helps with that.  I sold everything else for about $250.  If you have Ride Control I hear functional shocks and actuators can bring some cash.  So, you might want to look over on Ebay and see what sells well. Sometimes it is the little things that bring the most.


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« Reply #142 on: May 15, 2015, 11:06:59 AM »
The hearse is coming for the tbird corpse today. A moment of silence for the sacrifice it made for my heavy foot...



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« Reply #143 on: May 15, 2015, 11:32:14 AM »
The moment observed.
My T/C was more than a donor. It was my daily driver for 10 years. I saw the car in the Recycler and dash over to see it. The woman let me drive it around the block and I was sold. It had been hit in the rear and bent at the wheel wells. But, at $1,500 when the going rate was $6,000 it had "me" written all over it. I immediately started talking purchase with her and she said that someone else had just called and offered her $2,000 for the car. So, I went home disappointed, but told her if it didn't sell to call me first.

About an hour and a half later my wife suggested I call her back. Reluctantly and with about 10% hope I did.  Her husband answered, said to hold on a minute and she got on the phone.  She was PO-ed because "Mr. $2000" was now trying to dicker the car down to $1,500.  Even though he was at $1,600 she disliked him so much that right then and there said she would let me have the car for $1,500 and sent him away.

It took me about 6 months and $300 to make it road worthy. It even survived being on jackstands during the Northridge earthquake. At some point in the time I owned it my wife was driving and someone hit the passenger door. Their insurance gave us $1,400 and I eventually found a color matching door for $30.  when I eventually gutted the car I sold unused parts for about $300.  So, in the end this 10 year daily driver cost me $100 total!  And that isn't even counting the $600+ in parts that went into the Pinto.

So, yes I can have much reverence for the T/C donor cars of the Pinto world.

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« Reply #144 on: May 15, 2015, 11:37:16 PM »
So being fairly fresh to efi world, I find I need some input on specs to look for in an aftermarket 12v fuel pump. How many gph or gpm? And how much pressure to run the factory setup optimally.
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« Reply #145 on: May 16, 2015, 09:03:34 AM »
So being fairly fresh to efi world, I find I need some input on specs to look for in an aftermarket 12v fuel pump. How many gph or gpm? And how much pressure to run the factory setup optimally.

A factory engine at factory boost should have factory fuel pressure, which is about 39-42psi with the vacuum line disconnected and plugged. Raising fuel pressure will cause the pump output to drop. In addition to increasing fuel where it's needed, it increases fueling everywhere it's not. I would like to eventually have 300+hp and plan to keep the stock regulator.

I'm using a Walbro GSL-392HP (HP = high pressure) external pump that flows 255Lph. It will support ~400whp+, but can be used at stock power (like I currently have) if the regulator and return side of the fuel system aren't a restriction. I'm using the stock 2.3T regulator and Pinto tank vent line as a return and there is no problem controlling pressure. Stock pumps are no more than 110Lph as I recall. 150-190 would be more than enough for a stock 2.3T.
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« Reply #146 on: May 16, 2015, 10:45:58 AM »
As recommended I hear a lot of people using the Walbro pumps. So, it would be a good choice.

  If you are going to stay stock and cost is a consideration some of the Ford F-series trucks and vans had an external pump.  And, it is a pump rated directly for their fuel injection. It is not one of those pumps that just gets fuel from the tank to a forward mounted higher pressure pump like Ford used on some of their vehicles. While I got mine a while back it was only $11 at U-Pick Parts. National chain dismantler Pick A Part has them listed at $19.99. If you go this route you will have to look under a lot of trucks. I typically found them under the drives door area clamped to the frame rail. The best I can pin point the years is roughly mid 80's to early 90's - as a guess.

As you can see in the picture I just used regular line with a hose clamp on the inlet side and the T/C filter and line on the pressure output side.



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« Reply #147 on: May 16, 2015, 10:55:31 AM »
It will support ~400whp+, but can be used at stock power (like I currently have) if the regulator and return side of the fuel system aren't a restriction.


By that, do you mean that the limitations are in the flow rate of that part of the system? And thus, should be what dictates my fuel delivery needs? Also, am I looking for a self regulated pump, or does the fpr do that job, or does it require both?
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« Reply #148 on: May 16, 2015, 11:20:48 AM »
What I meant was that if the pump outpaces the return leg of the fuel system, then the regulator won't be able to lower the pressure enough under high manifold vacuum. The little Pinto tank vent line (1/4in?) works fine, at least for me.

You don't need a regulated pump; the fuel pressure regulator on the fuel rail does that job. Regulated pumps are usually used in-tank for more modern returnless (aka "dead head") fuel systems.
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« Reply #149 on: May 16, 2015, 11:46:11 AM »
Gotcha. I think I know what I'm looking for now. Have you tried any pumps from other cars that have similar needs? As in something I could pull at the yard?
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