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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

My first post. Need some opinions on pintos!

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Cookieboystoys

Quote from: pintoinyoface on June 04, 2008, 05:11:12 PMdoes anyone have a picture of apinto timeline where it shows each year of pinto and how they look and maybe explain the little differences in each? I had found a site on this a while ago but can't seem to find one again. ANy help?

check here for more info --> http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1971-1980-ford-pinto.htm

and then some videos to show the different options...

1971 thru 1973 Ford Pinto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_0WEhqBl2A

1974 thru 1976 Ford Pinto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsPrTxDfApY

1977 & 1978 Ford Pinto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tClp_4qsbvA

1979 & 1980 Ford Pinto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWn04WM4AGo

That should keep you busy for the night  ;D

some of the better videos I have made are on my cookieboystoys profile at YouTube (see link in my signature) and you can also check out Pintonut for even more than I posted here for ya...
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

pintoinyoface

Thanks for all the help guys!

does anyone have a picture of apinto timeline where it shows each year of pinto and how they look and maybe explain the little differences in each? I had found a site on this a while ago but can't seem to find one again. ANy help?

Andrew

71pintoracer

 Pinto's used to be uncool and a dime a dozen. When I raced modified Pinto's on the local dirt tracks I owned as many as 12 parts cars at one time. Most were free or very cheap. Now look on e-bay. Nice Pinto's sell for far more than they brought new. However, you can still find a fixer-upper for a decent price. As far as handling, a few cheap mods can make them handle very well. Mine is lowered 2", stock bolt in sway bars and these cars just beg for wide low profile tires. They are low and wide and easy to drive, and the rack and pinion steering is great. Above all, they are fun to drive!! I'll bet everyone on this board can tell stories about people stopping them to check out their Pinto.
As far as the V8 swap, the '74 & up seem to be easier. There is info galore on this site (look in FAQ) and I am doing a swap on my '71 and posting it step by step. Check it out in "YOUR PROJECTS" under '71 V8 swap..let the fun begin! Best of all, if you have a question there are people here to help you out. So  :welcome: friend, and go gitcha' a Pinto and have some fun!  ;D
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

TIGGER

Quote from: 77turbopinto on June 03, 2008, 04:36:00 PM
YES!

First, concentrate on SCHOOL!!  IF you have spare time then, and ONLY then should you worry about how to modify your car.

Second, be careful of WHERE you get advice/information from. There are folks out there that will be happy to give you an opinion, or even sell you parts, but they might have no clue on the topic at all. Always find out if the person giving the advice or information has FIRST-HAND experience. (this goes for everything, not just cars)

Third, see number one again.

Bill

Good advice Bill.  One up for you  :drunk:
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pintoinyoface

Yes.. I know there are fools out there.

And yes I am focused on school. This car will only be worked on during summer months after work and on weekends. It will be stored somewhere else in winter (as I do not have enough room at my house for all these cars)


77turbopinto

Quote from: pintoinyoface on June 03, 2008, 03:53:19 PM
.....any more suggestions?

Andrew

YES!

First, concentrate on SCHOOL!!  IF you have spare time then, and ONLY then should you worry about how to modify your car.

Second, be careful of WHERE you get advice/information from. There are folks out there that will be happy to give you an opinion, or even sell you parts, but they might have no clue on the topic at all. Always find out if the person giving the advice or information has FIRST-HAND experience. (this goes for everything, not just cars)

Third, see number one again.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

pintoinyoface

Hey guys!

Thanks for all the help you guys are offering!

Well its funny that most of the answers I get about which years of pintos are better for a V8 swap are the later ones because most pictures of pintos that I see as drag machines are usually the earlier model ones. I know the earlier ones, especially the 71 is very light

as for resale value I didnt really care about that to begin with even though everyone is telling me to care about it. I just wanted to hear your guy's opinions!

I plan on running an auto tranny with a manual valve body so I can shift without clutching (thats what my dad has in his car, or maybe its manual with an auto valve body I cant quite remember now?)

And yes guys.. It is gonna be a V8, it may not be a daily daily driver. But it will be a weekend fun car! (for the summer only that is as I live in Toronto Ontario)

I hear the 302 ford responds well to nitrous. But I just want a mild engine, some nice fat tucked meats in the rear and a loud exhaust system (which I will probably have to fab myself from what you guys are saying) and some power when I step on the gas (to kick my dad, my brother, and everyone elses butt!! ;D)

Thanks for all the help guys!

any more suggestions?

Andrew

77turbopinto

Quote from: Yelby on June 03, 2008, 02:52:18 PM
Start with a 75 and up chassis.  This way you can locate motor mounts and tranny cross-member from a 75 to 78 Mustang V8 and things should bolt up without a lot of clearance issues.....

......FYI:  75-78 Mustang chassis were based on the Pinto chassis.....

The Pinto and the Mustang II share very little in STRUCTURE (even of the same year), and not many parts other than suspension will DIRECTLY interchange.


Quote from: Yelby on June 03, 2008, 02:52:18 PM...... Are the 4 and 6 cylinder engines in the Pinto centered?....

No.

Quote from: Yelby on June 03, 2008, 02:52:18 PM
.....Can the fenders and bumpers from 71-73 Pinto's be bolted on to the 74-80 Pinto's?....

Not without modification to either the car or the mounts.


Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Yelby

Start with a 75 and up chassis.  This way you can locate motor mounts and tranny cross-member from a 75 to 78 Mustang V8 and things should bolt up without a lot of clearance issues.

If you want to run an automatic transmission, locate a C4 bellhousing for a 75 to 78 Mustang V8.

The V8 engines in Mustang II's are not centered in the engine compartment.  I believe the engine is offset to the passenger side by almost 2 inches.  This was to allow more room for the driver's feet.  The Mustang with a C4 tranny had a unique bellhousing which moved the starter up and toward the passenger side to clear the cross-member.

The oil pan for the Mustang II was unique also.  The back of the pan was more rounded to clear the relocated starter and to allow more cross-member clearance.

You can use the more common C4 bellhousing and use a mini-starter.  The more common oil pan can have the back half shortened to allow for more cross-member clearance.

Visit:  www.mustangii.net for parts and more info

FYI:  75-78 Mustang chassis were based on the Pinto chassis.

Are the 4 and 6 cylinder engines in the Pinto centered?
I don't remember.
Anyone?

Can the fenders and bumpers from 71-73 Pinto's be bolted on to the 74-80 Pinto's?
Hopefully, someone here on the forum can answer that.

Lost Coz

Loosing it as an everyday driver means just that...$4.60+ per gallon and it turns into a very fast money hog and not a daily driver! The 73 currently has a 2000 with Spearco manifold and Holly 390 with a breathable Crower cam, and headers with a 4 speed and will still get over 25 miles per gallon on the road and it has plenty of power to show off with. It is a daily driver. It might not out-run a 302, but it still has lots of scat. Like I said...personal opinion...if you like giving the gas companies a pocket load of cash every 100 miles, by all means...go for the big horse. If you don't mind spending lots on gas and plenty of power, why not just by a Ferrari? :lol:
"Pintos are cool!"

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Norman Bagi

Don't listen to him, 302 baby!  I drive mine every chance I get.  :2fast4u: 
Just hope you have gas money  :lol: 
Become a member of the 100 mile club (that is no more than 100 miles before you should fill up)  :devil: 
Hey my pinto turned 31 on yesterday on June 2nd, we got a cake!
:happy_bday:


Lost Coz

Pinto's are cool! As far as resale, if you really like your Pinto, why worry about resale. The car is what it is worth to you...who cares what anyone else thinks. I have seen Pinto's in every price range and condition. I paid $900 for my 73 wagon, where someone else might have looked at it and said it wasn't worth that much...to me it was a diamond in the rough, so  paid the price.

As for the V-8, I hesitate to put the 302 I have in the wagon because of loosing it as an everyday driver. Personal opinion of course. If you think it would work for a daily driver...by all means go for it. Big horses in a small car is alot of fun. Might need lots of suspension work to handle like you want with the added front weight of the V-8. My choice for the 302 would be a wagon after 74 because of the extra weight of the car. Automatics are great in that conversion and there are all kinds of parts that are available with Mustangs having a lot in common.

Main thing is forget what everyone says about the Pinto's and just do it! You won't regret it...I promise or your money back! ;D
"Pintos are cool!"

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Norman Bagi

It sounds like the people around you are not Ford guys, so of course the Pinto is lousy, etc.  and they probably have not driven one, but know everything about them. You obviously have the bug, and I can tell you my car is very predictable.  In turns she sits down and doesn't slide.  if I patch out she rights herslf, even when spinning tires while pulling out in a turn.  I can tell you she handles a hell of alot better than a chevelle, i had one.  they are too heavy and light in the a$$ compared to a Pinto.  They can go straight, that's about it.  I bought a 77 Pinto with a 302, much like what you are attempting to buy and build.  Alot of fun, do not expect good gas mileage, putting a huge engine in a little car does not give it good mileage, the engine still drinks heavily.  you may want to look into getting one all ready with a 302, there are plenty out there.  That is of course unless you want to do the rebuild. But Ford, just like Chevy and Dodge gives you an unlimited amount of possibilities on tranny's rear ends, engine builds, extras, etc. I am just going to throw this out there and hopefully everyone else feels the same.  if you get one, do not throw a Chevy or Dodge engine into a Ford Pinto, that will ruin your resale value. Good luck and welcome brother.

apintonut

i have a 77 sadan for-sale im in wa us and can deliver to border i may have a wagon soon if that is more to your taste. 
74 hatch soon to be turbo 2.3
73 sedan soon to be painted
stiletto parts(4 sale)
79 pinto wagon & beentoad
wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.

Smeed

Ill admit I dont know much about swapping engines, but I think the later model pintos (74+) are easier. I think it has to do with the shape of the hood? Im not sure... But, I do think that in a few years Pintos will have a better resale value than most people expect.

'73 runabout

pintoinyoface

Hey all!

ever since I was ten years old and I saw a budget silver pinto in my hot rod magazine I loved those cars! everyone around me forced me into thinking they were uncool. I fell in love for chevelles! My dad owns a 69 dart which is beautiful and my twin brother just came back from Michigan 2 months ago with a 71 valiant he plans to fix up(they are both dodge guys!). The itch has bit me as well now! I am 19 and I am sick of driving my beaten up 200 dollar escort! I want a pinto!

Everyone is telling me to get a chevelle because the pinto will have no resale value and blah blah blah. I say screw that! I want a pinto but I have a few questions. First of all I live in Canada and finding a pinto is hard enough, so I will probably have to go to the states to get a decent one.

now the questions...

I would be doing a 302 swap on this car which I know would be alotttt of work. You guys think it is worth it? this car will be a daily driver only during summer months and occasional use at the track, but that could escalate ;D Are the handling on these cars really as bad they say? All this talk about major accidents and stuff, is that all exaggeration about the handling from people who just hate pintos? or do they really handle that bad? (and no, no turbo v6 here, no matter how fast it is I want a fire breathing v8! ;))

Which pintos are ideal for this swap? the older ones like or the later model ones like 77's and what not? I know the older ones are lighter which could lead to worse handling again. But I like the look of the older ones better.

As far as transmission goes, I do not know too much about ford trannies, what would be a good bet for this prpject. How about the rear end? a 9 inch?

Remember this is just gonna be mainly a street car, although I would love to make it a performance monster, I dont want to shred apart my wallet at the pump and on parts.

I just want pretty much a car to scare off the hondas and a car that I love that will make some noise and go when I give it some gas (although not in the ditch or a pole like some people say these things do.)

YOu guys think it is worth it? any advice?

Thanks alot!

Andrew