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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

71 V8 swap-let the fun begin!!

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bobscat

Hey, I brought the pictures with me today, so I will be emailing them to you.  If anyone else has any inquiries on this subject, let me know and I will send you some pics!

Jinxter

 :read: Just to let y'all know, I just brought home a 5.0 from (supposedly) an '86 'Stang with the AOD tranny to put in my '79 hatch.  I'll be watching this as your build progresses!  I need another daily driver before I can start mine, and I still need a rear, a TV cable for the tranny, plus other odds and ends.
I'm hoping it won't be too long!!!
Beat it to fit, paint it to match...

dholvrsn

So is that rear sump situation causing any problems?
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MANUEL72PINTO

Im building a 72 pinto drag car also. But one diffrence is that my pinto is built ford tough with chevy stuff.

gearhead440

Thanks, guys!  I also have the old swap manual.  Another good source of reference information is the MRE book detailing a V8 swap into a Ranger.  Similar concept and good info to ponder over a frosted tankard of ale.
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bobscat

I ended up buying a set of Hedman's for my car, and they fit pretty decent.  However, they are not exactly the nicest out there.  I was kind of skeptical at first, but so far have not had any trouble with them, even with it occasionally seeing snow driving.  (Which I do NOT recommend for a v-8 Pinto, but sometimes you just gotta do what ya gotta do)  I have the pictures all ready for you 71pintoracer, just keep forgetting to bring my camera to work to download.   :hypno:

71pintoracer

Hi gearhead, I bought my headers on e-bay, they are old but unused, not sure what brand they are. From what I have read there are two types, on mine the back two tubes go back and the front two go forward and under the crossmember. The other type have two tubes that go out the fender wells so there is some cutting required. I will post some pics when I get them back on. Summit sells the swap headers but I don't know which type. I think they are about $450.00 The "V8 swap manual" that I bought on e-bay says that if you make the front style mounts like I am doing that you can use regular V8 headers, but I'm not so sure about that. Looks really tight and just getting two tubes through there is snug. They give part #'s for two brands, not even sure if they are available or good numbers anymore, the book is really old, I can post the #s if you want. BTW, a friend called a company that makes swap kits for all kinds of stuff, they said they did not have a Pinto kit but were getting more and more calls for one, they are thinking of making one that would use regular 302 mounts instead of the hard to find and pricey MII mounts. I figure about the time I get everything fabbed and welded up and in place they will come out with one!!  :P
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gearhead440

71pintoracer,
Great photos and progress!  What headers are you using for your swap?  I'm doing the same swap on my 80 Pinto and any input on headers, fitment, etc are always appreciated :).
Thanks!
Speed is only a question of money: Just how fast do you want to go?

71pintoracer

Thanks bobscat. We set the engine in again last night, fits much better now. Got the headers on, we need to make a few minor adjustments and then it is going in for the last time! (I hope) Need to move the brake and fuel lines again, they are too close to the header. I ordered a short water pump from Ford Motorsport, it is 1-3/4" shorter. $140.00
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bobscat

Cool!  Glad to see you are on your way to getting the motor in.  I took some pics of my car last night for you, but the home computer is so slow, I wanted to load them here at work.  As usual, I was in LaLa Land this morning, and forgot to bring my camera, so I will do that tomorrow. 

71pintoracer

We are going to do a little more trimming to the bottom left where someone (ah-hem) beat the crap out of it with a hammer, and there are two ribs on the top of the bell that are going to be notched. Should be plenty of room now.
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71pintoracer

 :'( I lied. I said I wouldn't cut this car up to do the swap, but after trial fitting the engine and trans half a dozen times, it had to be done. The top bolts of the bell were hitting and I still had about 2" of clearance between the rack and the front of the sump, and the headers would not bolt up. The engine needed to go back at least an inch. My brother the expert body man came down and looked it over and said "no problem". We drilled some holes in the junk '71 to see how far back the heater box was, a good 1 3/4". He measured and marked and got out the cut-off tool. I went upstairs to get a beer or so!! This is what it looks like cut out, we are going to make a recessed cover and weld it in. A little filler and paint and I think it will look a lot better than a hammered back firewall. Tomorrow we are going to set the engine in (again!), bolt up the headers and start making the motor mounts. When everything is where it needs to be the motor will come out one more time and the firewall will be fixed.
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71pintoracer

here are some pics of an '80 firewall and a '71 firewall, big difference between the two...so, as bad as I hate it.....
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71pintoracer

Smoothed up frame rails and relocated brake lines
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71pintoracer

YAAA! My son is off tonight so he loaded some pics for me. First..the chewed up Hyundai
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bobscat

haha!!  awesome!  My friends and I have a couple of tricked out lawnmowers.  I will try to post a picture of the one labeled "The Beast"  Actually took it out on a state route and PASSED cars with it!  Are turf tires rated for 60+ mph??  haha Back on topic though, looks like you are making some headway.  I got your PM, I will try to answer some questions, and keep us updated with pics!!

71pintoracer

Not much new to report..the MII pan is on and the engine is sitting in the car, still needs to go back more but the top right bellhousing bolt is hitting even with some firewall mods w/ a 3# sledge. My brother the expert body man is going to come down and have a look. At this point the water pump is about even with the radiator support, I would like to get it back two more inches, at the very least one. If any other V8 swap guys are reading could you post some info on where the front of your W/P pulley sits and what mods you did to the firewall?
Pintojunky, where do you stand with your swap? PM if you dont want to post here, but feel free to do so, everyone's info is welcome!!
On another note, the reason the Pinto has been getting limited attention is my Wife and I host a huge Memorial Day block party so we have been getting ready for that. Again this year we will be having riding lawnmower races. A bunch of us hot rod up old mowers and we have drag races, wheelstand compitition, and yes, they will yank the skinnies way up in the air!!  :fastcar: Then we have tug o' war, a figure 8 race and then we destroy them in a demo derby!  :accident: Funniest thing you ever saw!! My mower is a 12 HP Murry, it is painted up like my Pinto, has the engine raised up and back so it runs off of the big pulley and has a hand throttle on the governor so it can run wide open. It dang near flips over backwards when I dump the clutch! I will get my son to take some pics and help me get them on here-stay tuned!! :amazed:  :o  :drunk:
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71pintoracer

Scored a MII pan on e-bay, so I pulled the engine back out. The brake block needed to be moved, I unhooked the lines that go to the front & rear, left the M/C lines hooked up and moved it around to the fender apron. I rerouted the line for the rear so it runs with the fuel line, the fronts go back to the line lock which just needed to be moved down a little bit. You can get a union to hook two lines together, they are made just for brake lines so you don't need to run a whole new line, just add what you need. I've always been told never to use brass fittings with compression fittings to splice a brake line.
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71pintoracer

Here is the item # for the pan on e-bay- 330234394768. I dont know how to post the link
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71pintoracer

A little update, I got the Hyundai rewired and got the shop back together, did a little extra cleaning while I was at it. I was going to post a few pics of the chewed up Hyundai but my batteries are dead so I will try again later.
I've been doing some trial fitting and measuring on the Pinto, the headers need the extra 1" that a MII pan would give, another member gave me a link to a pan on e-bay that looks like the Milidon, it is $79.00 + shipping, I think I am going to order that one. (Thanks pintojunky!) He is doing a swap on his '73 so we will be trading ideas back and forth. He ordered the MII pan from Advance but it was indeed a regular 302 pan like we thought. He is using the MII mounts and said it lacked a good 1/4" with the pan sitting on the rack.
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dga57

Geez!  What crappy luck!  At least the Pinto is safe!!!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

71pintoracer

Well I had planned on working on the Pinto this weekend but...when I came home from work Thursday and went into the shop, it looked like a tornado had landed in there! I was like  :wow:!! Tools and parts and books and oil and drain pans and antifreeze all over the floor, tool carts turned over, stuff strewn everywhere. I asked my wife " :wow: went on in the garage??!! We went down and then I noticed the walk-through door. At the bottom a big hole had been chewed half way through and a big oil spot in front of it. GROUNDHOG!!! Apparently Wed night when I pulled my little Hyundai commuter car in after working on the Church's van, a groundhog was under the hood, and he spent the entire day chewing up the wiring on the car and trying to escape. I could see his tracks were he spilled oil and tracked through it. (I had changed the oil and anti-freeze in the van and had just set the drain pans up and was going to pour it in the waste barrels the next evening). My wife and I looked around the garage for him and then she saw him sitting on the shelf behind the T.V. She said "Go get your gun and shoot him!!" Well, Mr. Groundhog didn't like that idea at all so he went up into the celing where he had chewed a hole where the cable wire comes through. I got my trusty old Ruger .22 and we spent the next three hours trying to get a shot at him! I have access panels so I took them out but there are rafters and wires and heat ducts in there so he had a lot of hiding places. Finally my wife took the air hose and shot air at him and he ran to the end of the house. I had to lay the rifle on a rafter and squeeze through the next one and reach around to squeeze the trigger. I whistled at him and when he raised up I shot him in the head. He flopped a few times and then stuck four feet in the air. So...now I have the task of putting my shop back together and rewiring the Hyundai. He chewed up the battery cables, headlight, fuel injector,alternator and ground wires as well as some vacuum and water hoses. The good news is the Pinto is up on jack stands and covered up so he didn't bother it at all.  :) I'm also thinking about putting in a little doggie, make that groundhoggie door!! :laugh:
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71pintoracer

Well, it seems I have been misinformed. ??? The MII pan and the standard 302 pan are different, even though if you go to the parts store they list the same part # for both cars. The MII is flat all the way to the sump and will give about 1" extra clearance. The other pans have a little drop about 3" before they get to the sump. I have the engine and trans sitting in the car, I have 1/4" clearance over the rack. I had to enlarge the trans mount slots about 1/8" on the outer sides and it popped right in place. The shifter sits 2" further forward than the 4 speed so I trimmed out the opening with tin snips, but the T5 shifter curves back then up and ends up in about the same place.
The MII pans are all but impossible to find, none on e-bay at this time. Summit sells a Milodon low profile pan for $215, the pick-up tube is another $42. Since I am on a limited budget (who isnt these days!) the engine may just have to sit like it is.
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71pintoracer

here are the mounts, they can be welded right back in if I ever decide to go back to a 4 cyl- check out the burnt paint from the headers!! ya think the nitrous causes the cyl temp to go up a little?  ;D
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71pintoracer

I think I got it now, here are the pics...
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71pintoracer

Well for some reason I can't get my pics to post, I will keep on trying. The stock frame mounts are out, after drilling the spot welds they came out smooth as butter. I really think you could get them out with a hammer and chisel if you had to. I drilled a 1/8" pilot hole to help line up the spot weld bit, it is flat on the cutting end as it is designed to just go thru the outermost metal. After that the mounts came out with ease.
I smoothed up the frame rails with a small grinder and put a thin coat of split second filler over them and sanded it all down. Turned out pretty good.
I hope to get the oil pan this weekend so I can set the engine in place and start mocking up the mounts.
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71pintoracer

Engine compatment looks messy, everything is pushed aside. Nitrous wiring and solinoids, line lock, cruise control, yes, cruise! Ford add-on no less! I will be taking out the stock mounts next, I started with my little muffler sized air chisel, that just hurt my ears. My brother ( the vetran body man) let me borrow his and he also gave me a special drill bit to drill out the spot welds and I bought hearing protection. These chisels make a LOT of noise!!
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71pintoracer

I haven't forgotten about you guys, just been busy! (Stupid yard work  :mad: )
Well the 5.0 is stripped down and waiting on parts, the oil pan can come from a bunch of cars or trucks from the 70's not just MII's. Advance has them for 59 bucks. On their web site is a link that lets you see what vehicles a part will fit, the pan brought up a whole page.    (edit: that last statement is not true. although the same pan is listed for the MII it will not fit. read on....)
The 2.0 engine and trans are out, some clean-up work needs to be done to the engine bay and some stuff will need to be moved I'm sure. You don't need to remove the hood, I have mine strapped to the garage door opener bracket, you can also stuff small blocks of wood under the hinges to hold it straight up.
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High_Horse

I am ready and looking forward to it....Take your time and lots of pictures...Don't hesitate to ask oppinions...there are some very smart and experienced Pintdividuals on this site....Good Luck!!!!


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71pintoracer

Hello all, Well, I have started on the V8 swap in my '71. I know Pintony will be mad at me because he loves the little 2.0's! I do to Pintony, but mine is just too wild for the street. With 12.5:1 CR I have to run a 50/50 mix of racing fuel so it is costing $60.00 per fillup. I got the 302 HO and T5 Saturday, and the engine looks great! Very clean inside, all I am going  to do is replace the timing chain.
I will be posting pictures and text of the entire swap, so maybe it will help others who want to do this. I read on here that the swap manual on e-bay was crap, but no one would take the time to tell me why, so I went and spent the eight bucks for it. It is dated, the Ford part # 's are no longer available. But there is some useful info. I am going to make the mounts described in the book but with some modifications. This is going to be a somewhat lengthy project, time and money will dictate how long it takes. Stay tuned.....
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?