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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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popbumper

The cast urethanes that I use are two part systems that are mixed 1:1, and are thermoset - the chemical reaction between the two parts makes the material very warm and it cures quickly - even moreso in a warm room.

Urethanes are rather versatile - they can even come in "clear" - and can be painted, vacuum metalized, drilled, tapped, sawed, carved, sanded, etc. They are EXTREMELY useful for modeling purposes.

On a large scale, urethanes get a little more expensive, since the cost is relative to the size of the silicon mold, the debubbling vacuum, and the volume of material itself. It's not as expensive as a machined die, but dies are superior in length of life vs. a mold.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

oldcarpierre

I don't have experience with cast urethane.  I have only seen it in foam (the yellow foam inside of a life ring used on a boat or from a dock).

I am still unable to start a new post.  Something changed.  How do I do that?  Anyone?
1974 Medium Lime Yellow Pinto Sedan
14000 Miles - Unrestored Original in the garage
2013 Ford Taurus out in the rain

popbumper

Hi Pierre:

  Welcome back. I recall this message "way back when". For the sake of clarity, and again to address the original poster, when I refer to "molding", I am not specifically driving towards the original, costly process you outline. These dash clusters COULD be done with urethane pours and silicon molds, and would cost far less. I have done a lot of urethane molding, but alas, I am so buried in my own car restoration that I have had little time to really make the effort towards doing it.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

75bobcatv6


oldcarpierre

Guys, Ladies.

I was absent from the board from July 2008 until April 2009.  Lots of things happening which prevented me from logging on. 

Some of you may remember that I work in plastics.  Back in June 2008, I posted something which I will paste below, which may help shed some light on the economics of manufacturing plastic parts in small runs.

Before I get to that, the look of the site has changed while I was away.  I have been able to reply to a couple of posts, including this one, but I am UNABLE TO FIND HOW TO START A NEW POST.  Please help.

Here is what I have written in June 2008.  I have seen how some of you have used something which had been written previously and pasted it in a coloured box.  I don't know how to do that either.

Here is what I wrote last year:

"Some of you wanted to know more about plastics.  There are two kinds; thermosets and thermoplastics . 

Thermosets are used where extreme heat requirements need to be met.  An example would be the ashtray in my wife 2001 Taurus wagon.  The tip of a cigarette is roughly 900 degrees F and will melt any thermoplastic.  This kind cannot be remelted after it has been given a shape so that is ideal for an ashtray.

Another example for thermosets is a boat.  A fiberglass boat (or a Chevy Corvette for that matter) is really a thermoset polyester structure reinforced with a woven glass mat.  Boats are generally small production runs (a few hundred per model), and thermoset polyesters can be manually layered onto a pattern (typically a wooden mould) and allowed to harden to match the shape of that pattern.

Pretty much everything else is thermoplastics (that is what I work in).  In thermoplastics, there are several processes.  A process like rotational moulding has low tooling cost and is therefore used for low production volumes (say a few thousand parts per year).  Processing costs are high (highly labour intensive).

A process like injection moulding has low processing costs per part, but when you build a mould, you may be looking at 50, 100, 150 thousand dollars, depending on the complexity.  When you build one of these, you are looking at making hundreds of thousand parts per year, sometimes several millions of parts per year (imagine 64 bottle caps every 5 seconds, 24/7).  A mould like that would cost a half million dollars, and would run on a million+ dollar machine.

Here is the question you all want to ask.  You have this broken or missing part you want to replace, Maybe you can get together with other Pinto nuts and split the cost.  Can you build a mould and do that? 

Technically yes, but the tooling cost is staggering.  Once you have your mould, you will be looking for a moulder to colour match and mould this part.  Typically, unless you want at least 5000 parts, nobody will touch it (or you will be getting your one part, but still paying for 5000).

Plastics allow my big 2006 Chevy Impala (sorry - company car - I only get to pick the colour) to get 45 miles per gallon doing 60 on the highway.  That big thing only weighs maybe 3200 lbs.  It is however a disposable car, along with everything that was built since the late seventies.  These modern cars will never be economically restorable (aside from taking good parts from a donour car).

When things were made out of metal, you could reproduce them if you had enough talent and patience.  You did not have to spend huge amounts of money.  That fabricated part was made to replace an original part which was expensive to produce; plastics changed that.  However that only works when you need to mass produce something.  Plastics will always beat metals for part cost when the numbers are large.

The enemy of metal is corrosion caused by oxygen and moisture.  The enemies of plastics are degradation caused by oxygen, prolonged heat exposure, some chemicals (depends on the plastic), and in the case of car parts, ultraviolet rays (sunlight).

Keep your plastic questions coming.  Plastics are fantastic."
1974 Medium Lime Yellow Pinto Sedan
14000 Miles - Unrestored Original in the garage
2013 Ford Taurus out in the rain

popbumper

No. These are reasonably complex pieces that would require an original plastic extrusion mold or some other type of molding.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Carolina Boy

Mine if I ask a dumb question? Can they be made from fiberglass?
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

beer nut

I have a 76 Pinto and need a cluster gauge.  If anyone has one for sale, I would be interested.

Beer Nut

r4pinto

Looking forward to when you have the piece made. Mine is in good shape but it couldn't hurt to have a spare  for when it finally gives out.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

popbumper

Sorry Fred, I am such a slacker  :-\. I have too many projects in the works and this one has quietly slipped away. For those who are "keeping score", I am planning to take a master unit (as supplied from Fred), make a two piece RTV rubber mold from it, and cast new pieces in urethane.

Initial review of the part shows some interesting undercuts and holes that need to be addressed in the mold. What will probably happen is that I will end up wiith functional units that will not be exactly like the originals, but very, very close. My ONLY concern at this point is if the repro will have adequate strength. I may need to toy with the thickness of it.

Alright, I kind of ranted here, I have some loose projects to tie up and then I will start working on these. Again, sorry for the delay.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Fred Morgan

I see that this must be the most highly needed plastic part, the white instrument mount. So Chris do you need more to copy and sounds like Bill has extra he could send.  Fred    ???
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getngoogly

 Hey fellas. Has there been any recent movement on this? I have a 78 CW and am desperately seeking an instrument cluster that isn't crumbling to pieces. Mine is still working but the lights for the guages are starting to flicker and short. If I jiggle the fan control switch they come back on. Electricity scares and confuses me. Thanks in advance.

popbumper

Outstanding Frank. LMK when you are ready and I'll send you a message with my mailing address. This is worth a look, from what I gather here. Thanks!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

FCANON

I have a few Chris...I'll round them up....

I have 3 or 4 versions of the speedo cluster including the tach option

FrankBoss
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popbumper

OK, so continuing with trying to be resourceful... ;D.....does anyone have this plastic part/parts INTACT that I could take a look at? Reason - I have done a lot of urethane casting and molding, and think I might be able to come up with something reaonable and "inexpensive" here. Even a couple of pics would help - please let me know, thanks.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

phils toys

I will   agree  the whit plastic part goes bad. My 76 was crumbling  like sand. I replaced it with a different one.
Just a side note  I did find one from a 72 or 73 and it showed no signs of deterioration. but  the  main plug on the circuit board is different.
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77turbopinto

Sorry Doug, my post was a reply to PopB.

I have ONE PCB with damage but ALL the white plastic parts I have (15+) have at least some deterioration.



Bill
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douglasskemp

Quote from: 77turbopinto on April 10, 2008, 01:40:01 PM
I would think the white plastic it attaches to would have more demand.

Bill
Quote from: Cookieboy on April 10, 2008, 04:23:53 PM
I agree
Quote from: pintoman on April 10, 2008, 06:15:53 PM
I  agree with Cookieboy and Bill.
Quote from: r4pinto on April 10, 2008, 08:01:13 PM
I too would also agree.

No one is debating that.  That is not why I started this thread.  I started it to help those of us that MIGHT have a need for it.

For those that MIGHT have a need for plastic reproductions, I MIGHT have a lead on that as well, but I am gathering more info before I go public with my findings lest they be nay said into oblivion by something even MORE desirable.
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

r4pinto

I gotcha. Learn something new everyday.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: r4pinto on April 10, 2008, 08:01:13 PM
I don't see why someone can't get a mold made of one so they can be reproduced. Just my opinion.

Matt, anything can be done but the setup cost for plastic injection moulding is very high as I recall from way back when I used to work for a manufacturing company that did it. The only way they could make money was to make lots-and-lots and waste wasn't allowed because the margins were terrible. it was however 20+ years ago so prices could change but...
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

r4pinto

I too would also agree. On the 78 I used to have it fell apart so I bought one, and when I got the 77 its cluster also fell apart. I kept the one from the 78 so I was good.\, but would have been screwed if I hadn't. Even if the board does get a little flimsy like mine is, it still works ok, but if the plastic housing for the gauges falls apart like they all seem to, you are up a creek without a paddle.

I don't see why someone can't get a mold made of one so they can be reproduced. Just my opinion.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintoman

I  agree with Cookieboy and Bill.Mine fell apart years ago.I went with after market gauges.I tied them together using the factory circuit board.Works well enough.
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Cookieboystoys

Quote from: 77turbopinto on April 10, 2008, 01:40:01 PM
I would think the white plastic it attaches to would have more demand.

Bill

I agree  ;D

I have seen posts people asking for replacements... I may need one soon for my 78 if I'm not careful. It's cracked and the speedo is a little sloppy in there because of where the break is.

I would think the PCB part is very durable and unless there is a short/fire it would last forever (almost)
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

77turbopinto

I would think the white plastic it attaches to would have more demand.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

popbumper

Reading this, I need to ask the question - is this an item that needs to be reproduced?

I am an electronics engineer heavily involved in new product development and am closely tied with PCB and contract manufacturing. If there is a need for this board, I'd certainly be willing to spearhead it, since I have a good deal of knowledge in this arena.

Anyone?

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

douglasskemp

 :read: I was looking for DIY copper plating, and happened across this interesting idea.  For those of us that have PCB's that are damaged, this may be worth looking into.
http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Flexible-Printed-Circuits/
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.