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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

1977 Pinto- project in the works

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r4pinto

Thanks guys. It is frustrating bigtime but nothing that can be done about that. All I will do in this case is drive it & enjoy it while I still can & once I find a replacement I will pull everything from this car & put it in the new one. The only thing that will be left is the worn out parts & rust. I would like my next Pinto to be a wagon but I won't rule anything out. The only thing I am looking for is a Pinto with a good body & floor 74-80. Then I can make it looking similar to what Harold II is.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Pinto5.0

I feel your pain. I ran into ther exact same problem with my '78 sedan. The rust was everywhere once the fenders came off & it's not worth saving. I need most of the parts off the car anyhow including the clean floorpans so it won't die for nothing. It will live on having provided everything needed to finish my '80 & '73 both.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

dga57

Matt,
It is a sad day, indeed... but best of luck in your search for Harold III.
Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Alpine615

Aww Matt, that is sad news indeed. But the rust you describe sounds so thoroughly complete that it most likely is the best move. Best of luck in finding a suitable replacement!
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r4pinto

I am afraid the project is at an end.. The car is just too rusty underneath to save. The car has severe rust to the floor, wheel wells, right leaf spring shock mount, firewall rust.. The car is too far gone for me to continue trying to fix this car. With that being said I won't be able to save the car. There comes a time when you realize that some things cannot be saved and this car is definitely one of them. I will be looking for a replacement car for Harold II and when I find one I will swap out all the usable parts before junking the shell.


Sad, sad day for me & the car. I hate to end a project when it is not finished but in this case I don't have a choice.

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thanks Dwayne! I wanted a pic with the similar stance of the old one & got around to changing it. There will be no getting pulled over by WV cops this year. The headlights work & the car is quiet lol.

I do need to go to NAPA in the morning to get me another headlight adjuster screw. One of the ones I bought on ebay before decided to break when I was trying to adjust the light, so it's now pointing to the center, like it did before. Oh well, no harm no foul. I am also going to change the oil & go to Maaco to get the parts. If they are not done this time then I will have their heads on a pole. If I have to drive the car with no front end to Carlisle I will but I will be very very pissed if I do.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Hey Matt!

I like the updated picture of Harold II - much more indicative of what she looks like now!  Have a great time in Carlisle!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

The exhaust is fixed!!!! It took two adapters & a couple nuts & bolts but the exhaust is finally up in place for the first time in a long long while. No dragging or anything! Carlisle here I come!
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well I removed the old speedometer cable & neutral safety switch & both were shot. The plastic center post on the neutral safety switch was gone altogether, which let the sp& apparently rusted in the housing that when I spun the gear it was to stiff & hard to rotate that I think this was causing the issue with the inaccurate speedometer reading. Having an issue with getting the plug on the neutral safety switch. Just a very tight area so it's being a little tough to plug it in. Now I am also still waiting for the parts to be finished by Maaco. For whatever reason they are having issues with the paint.It keeps getting fisheyes & they are not sure why. If the parts are not done my Tuesday heads will roll since I am going to Carlisle on Thursday.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Now for an update... I have taken the headlight buckets & bumper filler off the car & took them in to Maaco to be reshot. When  the car was painted last year the paint stuck pretty good but it started to flake off. From what I could tell a flexible additive wasn't used. No harm, no foul. better to take care of it now.


Aside from that I went to the junkyard today & was able to get the power brake set up from the 78 Mustang II. I got everything I needed, including master cylinder, brake booster, & brake pedal. I also got the proportioning valve & found out that won't need changed. Kinda irritating when you get the part & find out it's the same exact part number as the one on the car. Oh well, at least I have a spare to throw in the parts bin. I also got the neutral safety switch, alternator bracket for the power steering set up & vbelts. They were almost new & have no cracking at all & for only 99 cents each!
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

LOL that sounds cool. I try to go to that every year, although I forgot about it last year until two days after the fact.

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

bbobcat75

thats funnt my wife is from bexley!!
miss the roads up there but not the weather!!

well if im up in for thanksgiving will be at ford swap meet! might meet you then

eric
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

r4pinto

I'm from the Columbus area. Been living in Reynoldsburg for the past 18 years.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

bbobcat75

matt
off topic but what part of ohio are you in??
im orginally from cleveland area.
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

r4pinto

No front end.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Went to the junkyard to get the parts from the Mustang II but had nothing but problems. First problem was getting in the car. Apparently the damage on the driver side was so bad it jammed the door shut. Once I got in it I found I didn't have the right sockets or wrenches to remove anything. Apparently the car has standard fasteners & no metric fasteners. Wierd how my 77 Pinto had a mixture & the 78 Mustang II doesn't seem to. Gonna go back Saturday to go after the parts.
I did go ahead & remove the front panels on the car. Last year when I had the car repainted it looked good but a few months later the headlight buckets were flaking badly. I went ahead & removed them, as well as the bumper filler & will be taking them to Maaco to have them redone. Can't have the car looking like crap for Carlisle. While the buckets are off I'm gonna go ahead & remove the left front fender so I can take care of the insane door gap at the back. Never had it right so now it will be right.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

That's a good idea Brian. If anything I will get the parts now & install them afterwards. Not gonna miss Carlisle for nothing!
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: r4pinto on May 14, 2012, 11:49:54 AM
get the power brake booster & master cylinder. By the end of the week this car will have power brakes!

you will need the brake pedal and mounting too... I'm not sure what all is involved in this conversion but you may want to wait until after Carlisle unless you are aware and have everything ready for the swap. Hate to see you miss Carlisle because you got stuck in the middle of a project and not able to complete in time.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

r4pinto

2 1/2 weeks to Carlisle & now I'm feeling it!!! Haven't had the energy or motivation to work on the car so I am forced to cram a lot of work in a short time. Oh well, I can do it.
Anyways, I recently went to the junkyard for a part for my friends car when I found a Mustang II. I got the silver wiper arms & air cleaner tube at the time & will be going back Wednesday to get the power brake booster & master cylinder. By the end of the week this car will have power brakes! Next step is power steering. & floors. I have some of the parts but not all of them. Either way this car is a big pain in the butt. I have a lot of welding to do & I dunno how to do that. I need floors so very bad & am going to figure out what I need to do it.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Quote from: blupinto on March 13, 2012, 06:34:50 PM
Here's hoping you're driving her today!  :D
It didn't happen. It kept raining & with the funeral showing I was going to there just wasn't any time. I ws disappointed since I planned on driving her in the funeral, but what can you do.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

Here's hoping you're driving her today!  :D
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Well, since it was a warm day I went ahead & dropped the steering column to find the culprit of the short. Two wires were crushed by the steering column & eventually wore through & shorted each other out. When the turn signal switch went bad I got one that had a longer harness & just crammed the crap out of it so I could make it work. It did for a while but apparently I pinched a couple wires when I bolted up the column & the rest is history. I had kept the old one in case I ever got motivated to shorten the harness & well, I sorta had to in order to keep from having another short. I got the turn signal harness all shortened up to match the original equipment harness, cut out the bad wires & soldered in new ones & put everything back in place. The final test was the hazzard flashers & brake lights. No more blown fuses!
Next in line is to try to fix the exhaust so I can drive the car tomorrow. The Grand Prix doesn't get the gas mileage the Pinto does so I wanna get it all fixed so I can drive the car. We'll see what happens.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Haven't really done much to the car since September but recently I was having to drive the car after my 08 Grand Prix was in the shop for some warranty tranny work. I was driving the car for a bit when the brake light fuse blew. I think it's a shorting wire in the steering column so once it warms up I'm gonna give it a whirl to fix it. The car is loud & fires right up but doesn't have brakes. Once it warms up I'm gonna take care of the suspension, exhaust & electrical issues. Such a good car. 32 years old & keeps on trucking.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Got the driver side leaf spring installed today. Dad & I were working hard on getting that taken care of since the old one was busted up really bad. The driver side rear tire was not centered in the wheel well & it was suspected to be due to a rear leaf spring installed backwards. Well, that was not the case. The spring was so broken that while it was not moving freely the axle had no way to be centered when installed. Got the rear leaf spring installed on the driver side & it took care of the problem. Now I just need to replace the passenger side spring & replace both shocks. Then the car will drive better. Soon it will be my daily driver as the Malibu Maxx fuel pump issue is back with a vengence. Before long she prolly won't be starting or running so I gotta get the Pinto road worthy.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well I got the starter button hooked up so I no longer need to pop the hood to start the car. I ran two wires from under the hood into the interior & hooked them up to the starter solenoid. I did have an accident with the starter solenoid & had to replace it with my backup unit. I was using a nut on the S terminal stud but it was the wrong thread. Instead of cross threading the nut or stud it cracked the solenoid. Oh well, it will work for now. I am going to mount up the switch below the radio using one of the screws for the radio bezel & a mounting bracket fabricated out of some scrap metal.
Is it necessarily the right way to fix the problem? No... that would be replacing the neutral safety switch, but it will work for now.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

The car has been sitting on the street for about 2 weeks since I couldn't find the keys to her. I found them a couple days ago & moved the car in front of my house, just to pi$$ off my neighbor's oldest son. My dad decided to start parking in front of the house after the neighbor's son parked in front of the house on trashday, causing us to have to put the trash outside the rental house next door. I got the keys, jumpered the solenoid & moved the car. This weekend I plan on getting a toggle switch & some wire to run in the car so I don't have to pop the hood to get the car to start. This is just a temporary measure, but will work until I get to the junkyard to get a neutral safety switch for her. I'm also gonna get the rear leaf springs & shocks on the car, so she will be ready for the Ohio Pinto meet in September.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thanks Brian,

The next step is to tackle the suspension. A couple years ago I bought a couple lower control arms off ebay but never installed them. I have gone ahead & installed the new ball joints on the lower control arms & am getting ready to install the bushings in them as well. While I have the lowers off I will be installing new coil springs, upper ball joints & control arm bushings, as well as replacing the strut rod bushings. Of course new shocks going on the car. I'm also going to redo the rear suspension. Rear leaf springs & shocks are coming to the back.

I did go ahead & install one shock last week & noticed the old one still held pressure. I was shocked, but they were showing their age. It had pressure but not as much as the new ones I bought off ebay.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Cookieboystoys

Matt, you car lived up to expectations and looks great, hats off to a job well done.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

r4pinto

Quote from: Scott Hamilton on June 12, 2011, 09:34:39 PM
Matt,

After seeing her in person at Carlisle, she's a looker!

Good seeing you again,
Scott

Thanks Scott, Makes it all worthwhile to hear the compliments.

It was great seeing you again too.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Scott Hamilton

Matt,

After seeing her in person at Carlisle, she's a looker!

Good seeing you again,
Scott
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