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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Norman Bagi

Nice dead mouse!  I still would get the plug in sonic deterents, might keep the problem from happening again, especially after you fix the hole.  So what are you gonna do with the body?  Might I suggest impaling it on a stick in your driveway to alert other mice to their impending fate!

High_Horse

CookieBoy,
    You did it right...If there is anything alive in your Pinto hut when you go to get your car I will..........be surprised.


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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: billnall on February 28, 2008, 05:59:28 PM
I have heard that critters do not like the smell of moth balls in the car.

That's what I'm hoping for.... put 2 boxes (some in and most outside) around my car for the winter. Unfortunately it's 150 miles away and I can't check on it... everytime I read this post it sends shivers up my spine.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

billnall

I have heard that critters do not like the smell of moth balls in the car.
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turbopinto72

Quote from: rear ended on February 19, 2008, 11:12:14 PM
If you want mice out of your garage, go to home depot (or any hardware store) and buy a plug in sonic mouse deterent. They work.  They emit a sonic sound that disrupts the nervous system of rodents and some other small creatures (snakes, etc. a list is on the package)  do not buy one if you have Gerbils or hamsters, for this would be cruel for the pet.  I had mice in my garage, they are gone now.  I manage a building in manhattan which had a massive rodent problem, I installed these all over the basement, they are gone now.
That is of course you want to hunt them, then keep doing what you are doing.

Actually I do want to hurt them  :devil: I went out to the car yesterday and noticed brown stuff on the back seat ( see pic 1 ), then looked up and saw the hole ( see pic 2 ), then set another trap and Bamm, got the sucker ( pic 3). But now I have a hole to contend with.......... I H8te mice..................... >:(
Brad F
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1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Norman Bagi

If you want mice out of your garage, go to home depot (or any hardware store) and buy a plug in sonic mouse deterent. They work.  They emit a sonic sound that disrupts the nervous system of rodents and some other small creatures (snakes, etc. a list is on the package)  do not buy one if you have Gerbils or hamsters, for this would be cruel for the pet.  I had mice in my garage, they are gone now.  I manage a building in manhattan which had a massive rodent problem, I installed these all over the basement, they are gone now.
That is of course you want to hunt them, then keep doing what you are doing.

High_Horse

By the looks of it ...That is one of those Black African Amazon Hemp Mice. I'll bet it came over on the boat. Two Thumbs up!!!

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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

osiyo59

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1973, Pangra
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map351

If you see/got 1 there's 10 you didn't see..

Mike
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turbopinto72

Well.....All bad things must come to an end... ;D, Today= trap 1 mouse 0......Now, of course I'm assuming there are more so on it goes but today is a good day.
Brad F
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1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

map351

I had (3) 4 legged terrorist  in the bucket this morning!
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dave1957

try wiring a piece of bacon to the trap
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bobscat

Quote from: earthquake on February 15, 2008, 11:29:51 AM
Why not helium.

Hate to have your car float away, silly.   J/K LOL

earthquake

Quote from: High_Horse on February 14, 2008, 04:51:17 PM
TurboPinto72,
        Ok....look...you have a rodent in you Pinto eating ant trails under your carpet....I had roaches in my ashtray and had to smoke them out.
I would dispence with conventional means and purge the Pinto with an inert gas. Argon would be best but you can get can of CO2 from the keg store...My god don't use helium. Tape up the door seals and gas that bugger.
Crack the valve to a wisp and leave it there for a week. That will kill everything in that Pinto...Mammal or insect without damaging the goods.

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Why not helium.
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BlueGoldPinto

Mmmmmm....peanut butter....... :amazed: :amazed:
My theory on the Gas Tank of the Ford Pinto:
If it ain't fixed, don't break it!! :)

bobscat

Quote from: FCANON on February 14, 2008, 06:35:20 PM
Roaches in the ashtray that takes me back, High School ....huummmmmm

I think I tried to smoke them out too....

FrankBoss

buwahahahaha!!!

Quote from: map351 on February 14, 2008, 09:04:15 PM
I see you guys don't know how to catch mice! There to smart for traps, Here's what you do.
Get a 5 gal bucket fill it 1/2 full of water if there feet touch the bottom they'll jump out, now get some peanut butter, spread some peanut butter about 4" down from the inside lip of the bucket, just so the mouse has to stretch over the inside lip of the bucket to get the butter and they fall in they swim around then deep 6..

No dead bodies to stink up your car there all in the bucket! I catch a few every week in my shop in the bucket. Just make sure the butter is far enough that they can get a little taste and have to reach for the rest it gets them every time!

Put the bucket on the passenger side floor just in front of the seat but index the bucket so they have to reach don't make it easy, also when the first one hits the water he'll call all his little friends and they all go swimming! Till they get tired. :D

Mike

Awesome idea!! I gotta try that, so simple, yet so genius....

map351

I see you guys don't know how to catch mice! There to smart for traps, Here's what you do.
Get a 5 gal bucket fill it 1/2 full of water if there feet touch the bottom they'll jump out, now get some peanut butter, spread some peanut butter about 4" down from the inside lip of the bucket, just so the mouse has to stretch over the inside lip of the bucket to get the butter and they fall in they swim around then deep 6..

No dead bodies to stink up your car there all in the bucket! I catch a few every week in my shop in the bucket. Just make sure the butter is far enough that they can get a little taste and have to reach for the rest it gets them every time!

Put the bucket on the passenger side floor just in front of the seat but index the bucket so they have to reach don't make it easy, also when the first one hits the water he'll call all his little friends and they all go swimming! Till they get tired. :D

Mike
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apintonut

Quote from: FCANON on February 14, 2008, 06:35:20 PM
Roaches in the ashtray that takes me back, High School ....huummmmmm

I think I tried to smoke them out too....

FrankBoss

lol
dam must be a pinto thing. or is it a 70's thing?  o wait i missed the 70's ( i think!)
well they dont call it "HIGH" school for nothing.


how about nitrous in the car then u could at least laugh about it.
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osiyo59

get a syringe and inject the bait with a couple of drops of antifreeze, if the trap don't get 'em the antifreeze will :mad:
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FCANON

Roaches in the ashtray that takes me back, High School ....huummmmmm

I think I tried to smoke them out too....

FrankBoss
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High_Horse

TurboPinto72,
        Ok....look...you have a rodent in you Pinto eating ant trails under your carpet....I had roaches in my ashtray and had to smoke them out.
I would dispence with conventional means and purge the Pinto with an inert gas. Argon would be best but you can get can of CO2 from the keg store...My god don't use helium. Tape up the door seals and gas that bugger.
Crack the valve to a wisp and leave it there for a week. That will kill everything in that Pinto...Mammal or insect without damaging the goods.

                                                                                       High_Horse


                                                                                       
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

bobscat

".......and I shall come down on Meeses with great anger and furious vengeance, and you will know my name is Turbopinto72"    Ok, well Samuel L Jackson may have made it come out a little smoother, but you get the idea.  Kill 'em all, man, kill 'em all......

turbopinto72

OK, this is WAR !!!!. Now the mouse is mocking me. This morning I looked at the traps ( one in the car and one on the floor of the garage) and I see both traps licked clean. The trap on the garage floor is triped with no mouse and the one in the car is clean AND the Mouse left a little present for me. If you look at the picture you will see that the         "Mouse ball" is actually made of the backing and floor insulation from the car........................... :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:. There is now two traps in the car with dubble stuff peanut butter on them and one was modified to trip at the very vibration of a mouse wisker.................. :devil:  :devil:  :devil:
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

71HANTO

Quote from: fastbak390 on February 13, 2008, 01:48:07 PM
Funny you say that... The engine compartment of your Pinto was full of rat droppings when I first bought it.

"I love the smell of hantavirus in the morning!" ...ahhh...no...maybe that was napalm....no wonder I like pintos!!!
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

High_Horse

QuoteMAN...It could've been worse....you could have lifted your hood and found a RAT MOTOR!!
Quoteput a cat in the car!!
Quote

Or a Tiger in your tank.

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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

fastbak390

Quote from: 71HANTO on February 13, 2008, 11:04:48 AM
MAN...It could've been worse....you could have lifted your hood and found a RAT MOTOR!! :rolleye:

Funny you say that... The engine compartment of your Pinto was full of rat droppings when I first bought it.

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Tercin

Try peanut butter and a raisin, then you will crush that little s.o.b.

right in the scull.

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