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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

ThunderPinto gets a rear end job.

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With some trick jockeying of the floor jack, some carefull too-ing and fro-ing and some strategic manipulation of the front wheels  I was able to get ThunderPinto out of the garage and road test that rear end....Whew..... ;D
Anyway...I put that badboy in reverse and backed out of the drive,but, as soon as I cut the wheels at the apron the rear end sounded like it wanted to jump up into the driver seat and mar my dashboard. The car rumbled and clunked and said a word that is inappropriate for this forum.
Well, Knowing the guy who put that thing together I turned in my seat and shouted...SHUTUP.  What I didn't say was that we are going to test drive you to the parts store for another quart of Hypoy-C 140/85 gearoil. The ride seemed like it took forever with this thing rumbling and moaning at every turn....clawing at me like I was some vengian of some previous time and space.....I turned and shouted...SHUTUP.
I lifted that animal and placed the driver wheel on the ramp and let it down making sure to leave plenty of space for the additional quart of Hypoy and darned if it didn't drink it all.
So back we were on the road slurring our words as we beamed obsenities at each other....till finally I had enough and pulled into a parking lot. I turned my wheels sharply to the left and gave that beast hell....around and around till we were so dizzy we bobble headed.... ;D Then to the right bobbling the other way till the monster started to quiet....back to the left....quieter...then to the right...I'm go throwup.....but I persisted. Finally the animal quieted down. So I drove home and took a nap.
Later...to check things out I took it out....again.....at the apron the beast awoke so I straightned that Pinto out and burned right back into the garage.
I jacked it up again the same as before and checked my bottle of STP...boom I had about a shot glass left....so in it went.
I ran over to that parking lot and dizzied that critter up again but it still couldn't stop grumbling at me...a low grumble but none the less. So I pulled it in the garage and watered the lawn.
Today...another day...I pulled the Pinto out...gave it a little warm up time in the drive...my wife was playing with granddaughter...I thought shucks she will get a laugh out of this....but when I hit the apron ....nothing....not a peep. Just to be sure it was the same rearend I burned out....yep, two foot prints. So I crawled back in and took off.....nothing....not a peep....Hmmmmmm....I'll take it.
Pics....Footprints in the drive.....sitting after new springs installed....too high...just right????


                                                                     High_Horse

Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

High_Horse

Got under the car and installed the tranny mount but before I did that I filled the cavities with silicone to arrest ressonance. Why???? Because the modofications I do change the things that ford put in there...like gobs of insulation. I now have a full rigid engine/tranny mount and I guess filling a space that would have housed insects and mud with a vibration damper was better then wasting the space. Any way the car is ready for a drive and I will give a detailed test report... ;D
But my nephews Toyota Tacoma is sitting in front of ThunderPinto without a rear axle.
If he had followed my instructions it wouldn't be there.......but no...he had a better idea...take the axle to Midas to have the bearing removed...I am just glad he is not buying an axle now.

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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

High_Horse

Lencost,
       Ambition....Thanx. ... :)
       

                                                                                          High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

lencost

HH I enjoy folowing your thread. I have only owned my pinto for nine months, and have not taken on a project this ambitious yet.

Leonard
1975 Wagon 8" C4 2.8 V6

High_Horse

Got under the car last night and zeroed in on the weld postion for the tranny mount....I am really glad I took measurements before removing the rubber grommet material from the mount. But I got under there any way to CONFIRM the position because once it is welded it is welded. Especially alot of weld..... ;D
Yes...I do all my own welding.

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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

High_Horse

As luck would have it I was just able to have my drums turned....not bad for drums that are over 15 years ols and are on there second set of shoes. I had them turned to a like I.D. cause I like things even....the one drum would only required a shaving but the other was rounded and had a deeper groove.....groovy. Here they are being coated with rust neutralizer. The same way they were done 15 years ago.


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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

High_Horse

I installed the brake shoes today and set the car down on it's butt end except I still need to get a set of brake drums. Till I get those I put the front wheels up on ramps and pulled out the tranny mount. When I did my v8 conversion I fabricated my own rigid motor mounts but I left in the rubber tranny mount. Although I added additional silicone to help dampen it there still was a vibration that peaked at about 45 mph. Well I think I have a new rule of thumb....Rigid motor mounts...Rigid tranny mount.
I took a pick of the stock tranny mount with all the rubber removed. And just for informational purposes to those interested....I used the stock v6 tranny mount for my conversion but turned it around so the slots were to the rear and that is ultimately what determined the position of my 302/c4 combination....motor mounts and oil pan were fit for that location.
Just for the record I used Wagner Thermo quiet rear brake shoes # PAB474.


                                                                               High_Horse                     
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

High_Horse

Today I mounted the brakeline junction/rearhousing breather and the wheel cylinders and ran the brake lines. Also, drew in a new set of lug studs.....no better feeling then drawing the studs in with an impact and waiting for the socket to stop.... :)
Just as a matter of records the wheel cylinder number is.....Professionals choise #WC13620 or Bendix #33620 or Wagner #79985 or Midas #1102 or EIS #34958 or Auto Spec #81022.


                                                                               High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

High_Horse

Hey Congrats GH440....We are looking forward to seeing some project action comming out of your stable.......... ;)
Well I took the axles in and had the bearings pressed on......
Pic1...Bearing on shaft with retainer and seal positioned where it will be in place.
Pic2...Flange gasket in place....used old one...brushed on ample anti-seize.
Pic3...Seal installed in axle housing...coated it and the seat with red locl-tite... ;D
Pic4...Axle assembly bolted and torqued in place.
Special note...I am making an effort not to work the underbody because it will distract me from what I am doing...which is installing a limited slip and new springs...When it is paint time I will strip the car to the shell and administer...what is called in Pinto talk...a frame on restoration... ;D
I expect by June to be taking some Pics of ThunderPinto in it's new digs.
Just as a matter of records...The seal number is...National Seai #3214.
                                             The axle bearing is...Federal-Mogul#RW-207-CCRA


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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

gearhead440

With a rear end that shiney you simply MUST address your fuel tank  ;D.  By the way, I bought the house and am in the process of making the garage usable for Pinto modifications.
Speed is only a question of money: Just how fast do you want to go?

High_Horse

Aside from fixing the driver door on my work wagon so it opens and vacuuming out the Impala I finally made it to my favorite car and bolted the rear end to the leaf spings...also hung the shocks.
Because I have slightly thicker spring stock and an extra leaf in there I did not have to put in the lower positioning rubber grommet....don't think I didn't try..... ;D
That's about a 1/4 pound less weight.

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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

High_Horse

I cleaned up the shocks and gave them a coat of paint. I can't say when I put these shocks on but I was amazed at the good condition they were in...and the action was as crisp as if they were new. Of course they are motocraft. So back in they go.... ;D


                                                                             High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

High_Horse

Pintony...Thank you very much.... ;)
Pintaro...Doing the car in a bitesized and buget freindly manner is the only way to go.... ;D
Picked up my u-bolts today and I will get them painted up for install. I am increaseing the size from 7/16 inch to a full blown wopping monster 1/2 inch.... ;D


                                                                                      High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Pintaro

High Horse,The only part I am not touching is the engine compartment,and the only Im not doing that this year is because I am running out of time.
                                                                 Pintaro

Pintony

Hey HH,
That is some serious NICE work there!!
Great close up photos!!
Lots of good info here!!!
Keep up the Great work!!! :fastcar:
From Pintony

High_Horse

Pintaro,
What are you doing??? Or is it a surprise???

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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Pintaro

There may be a few sleepless nights,but I will be done!!!!!!

High_Horse

Pintaro,
    Two months and counting.......I will be there or I will be there.... ;D
   



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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Pintaro

Tick Tock Tick Tock,Work Work Work,Were running out of time.I hope you are closer to being done then I am.
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High_Horse

Found a little time to pop the rearend in....I still have not gotten the u-bolts made yet although they are paid for....tomorrow. I am increasing their size from 7/16 inch to 1/2 inch....winny!!!!
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

High_Horse

Mounted the leaf springs today (can't begin to explain the feeling of mounting some heavy hardware...on my favorite little car). I am using all new grade 8 fasteners....and dam the luck as I was tightening one of the shackle bolts if it didn't snap...so I popped them out and used 1/2 inch grade 8 bolts for that to.


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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

High_Horse

Installed the carrier to the rearend housing...just for kix I siliconed some magnets into the bottom of the housing to collect any metal particals that might be there during breakin cause there is no drain plug. Just for record...the housing gasket I used is a Felpro #RDS 13270.
Nothing like neat clean stuff...oh...and tight.

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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

High_Horse

Assembled the limited slip....added a shim to limit it's slip a tad more... ;D
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

High_Horse

I finally got into the stable to do a little work. Put the pinion assembly together and bolted it to the carrier housing.
Just for records...The pinion seal number is...National #8181NA and the o-ring is 1/8th dia. I rolled my own o-ring from bulk Buna-N cord.

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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

High_Horse

Mounted the rear bumper for keeps.
Pic 1 shows how the rear flap was, notice the dirt line where the bumper was.
Pic 2 shows how much was removed from flap.
Pic3 shows how it looks now, notice that the bumper lands right up against the corregation molded into the flap.
Pic 4 shows the bumper from the side, notice that the bumper angles slighty down and is not parrallel to the line that runs along the top of the reflector. I must put a washer into the bottom bumper mount holes to bring the bumper up in the rear just a Pinto hair.

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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Pintony

Hey Mike,
You need a custom pan with louvers punched in them!!!
From Pintony

High_Horse

Also, I decided that the 2.5 inches that the bumper mount moves in will be enough because it will allow me to cut the splash in a good place instead of trying to cut off to much and have it look bad. Here are closer pics of the bumper mounts protracted and retracted.


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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

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I have a window of opportunity to get some welding done tomorrow so I am going to do some beef work to the lower clamp plates. I found when I took them apart that there was a crack in one of them. Upon closer inspection I found that the part was not stamped correctly when it was made. It looks to me like the dies were out of alignment like by an 1/8th of an inch and considering this stock to be 3/16th thick and the kind of tonnage it would take to pound one of these puppys, the crack has been there since the beginning.

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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

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And just for reasons of record I am including these pictures and part numbers for future reference. They are the spring clamp rubber grommets and the new shackles.


                                                                                High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse