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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Front Rotors same all years???

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Pintony


Hey Wittsend,
VERY COOL!!!
No Pinto in any breakers yards around here???
From Pintony

Wittsend

>>>If you go on a search and LUCK across a NEW rotor for the 1971-73 Pinto then you will pay in the neighborhood of 160.00 "each".<<<

  I was at the local Pick A Part (50% off sale) this Saturday (3-15-08). No 8" rear end  :(, but I did get a spare tire cover (not cracked) for a whooping $3.58  ;D.  Anyway, I went to the other non-sale self serve nearby. There I got the motor mounts for the 2.3T conversion.
At some point it dawned on me that I never checked the '72 Wagon over at the other yard that well, - AND the quoted post above was rattling in my head. I dashed back over there and not only were the rotors there, but they had been removed and were both sitting on the ground! I didn't even have to pull them.  I was out the door for $21 for both with the bearings too.
  I mic-ed them when I got home and they are .735 on a .685 minimum! They look good too and probably don't need to be turned. I'll check them with a dial indicator when I install them.
I don't know what is more fun, getting deals or talking about them.
Tom

Pintony

Hey Frank go up and read this post slower.
The friction surface IS thicker on the 74-up rotor, BUT the rotor is thinner if both were lying on a machine bench.
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FCANON

I thought the later model rotors were thicker than the early...I have four pairs of early rotors here and they appear to be a multi piece affair. Which might also be they have some lighter materials in them..I never tried to take them apart or examined them beyond putting them on and taking them off the shelves.

FrankBoss

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Bipper

Quote from: phils toys on January 20, 2008, 08:40:26 PM
it is intresting the later ones are 7 pound heaver
phils toys

The late model rotors are .105" thicker than early model.

Bob
71 Sedan, stock
72 Pangra
73 Runabout, 2L turbo propane

Pintony

Quote from: phils toys on January 20, 2008, 08:40:26 PM
from a web site i check on part here is a break down
71-73 pinto price $79.94 plus shipping  11 pounds
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=RAY&MfrPartNumber=6022
74-80 pinto,74-80 bobcat 74-78 mustang II  $3599 plus shipping  18 pounds
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=RAY&MfrPartNumber=6036&PartType=221&PTSet=A
it is intresting the later ones are 7 pound heaver
phils toys

That is GOOD info Phil!!!

phils toys

from a web site i check on part here is a break down
71-73 pinto price $79.94 plus shipping  11 pounds
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=RAY&MfrPartNumber=6022
74-80 pinto,74-80 bobcat 74-78 mustang II  $3599 plus shipping  18 pounds
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=RAY&MfrPartNumber=6036&PartType=221&PTSet=A
it is intresting the later ones are 7 pound heaver
phils toys
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

Pintony

Quote from: 302Pinto on January 20, 2008, 03:27:56 AM
I was fortunate to find a set of rotors for my '79 pinto two door through a Carquest dealer. You might try one of those stores. They've come through for me more times than I thought possible.

Hey 302pinto,
The 1974-UP Pinto rotors are easy to find.
Most likely is that the MII used these same rotors...
From Pintony

FCANON

Since we have this dialog open I have bought a set of 1st generation 82-88 Ranger rotors last summer to try on one of my Pintos" I havent yet to try them on the car but I have mounted one to a stray spindle... I read some where these will swap as well....

We'll see.
FrankBoss
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302Pinto

I was fortunate to find a set of rotors for my '79 pinto two door through a Carquest dealer. You might try one of those stores. They've come through for me more times than I thought possible.

Pintony

Quote from: Wittsend on January 19, 2008, 08:42:23 PM
Pintony,
  Thanks for the information. A few things I want to make sure about:

1. Can  I still use my 71-73 calipers in doing what you said, or do I need the later calipers too? What did you do?
Use the stock 71-3 claiper and bracket

2. You say the rotors (74 and up) are thinner. I assume that since the rotor needs to be turned to the absolute minimum you are not talking about the actual wear surface. Rather, you are saying that the (I would say wheel mounting hub) does not extend out as far as the 71-73 did. Is that assumption correct.
You are correct!!!
$160 for a new rotor, - Wow. If I don't buy it at a self serve wrecking yard, swapmeet, Ebay (used), or a significant off coupon at the store it doesn't get bought.
I know!!! How rude!!!

Tom



Wittsend

Pintony,
  Thanks for the information. A few things I want to make sure about:

1. Can  I still use my 71-73 calipers in doing what you said, or do I need the later calipers too? What did you do?

2. You say the rotors (74 and up) are thinner. I assume that since the rotor needs to be turned to the absolute minimum you are not talking about the actual wear surface. Rather, you are saying that the (I would say wheel mounting hub) does not extend out as far as the 71-73 did. Is that assumption correct.

$160 for a new rotor, - Wow. If I don't buy it at a self serve wrecking yard, swapmeet, Ebay (used), or a significant off coupon at the store it doesn't get bought.

Tom


Pintony

Quote from: oldkayaker on January 19, 2008, 06:19:55 AM
If you want to run the factory steel wheels, the later rotors could create another problem.  The steel rims reference the center hole for location and this hole size increased in the later years (not sure when).  I know 71-72 steel wheels will not fit on a 79 rotor due to the 79 rotor center hub being larger than the center hole in the 71-72 rims.  You could use the later steel rims or just go to aluminum wheels which usually do not reference the center whole for location.

Great point oldkayaker!!!
I agree. the 71-2-3 wheels will not fit the later74-up Pinto hub.
I love it when 2 minds can work together to a common end!!!
Thanks oldkayaker for your valued in-put.
I give a 1-up to you..
From Pintony

oldkayaker

If you want to run the factory steel wheels, the later rotors could create another problem.  The steel rims reference the center hole for location and this hole size increased in the later years (not sure when).  I know 71-72 steel wheels will not fit on a 79 rotor due to the 79 rotor center hub being larger than the center hole in the 71-72 rims.  You could use the later steel rims or just go to aluminum wheels which usually do not reference the center whole for location.
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

Pintony

Quote from: TIGGER on January 18, 2008, 11:30:17 PM
Interesting...  Thanks for the info Pintony.

You are welcome Tigger
That's Y I'm here!!!!

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TIGGER

Interesting...  Thanks for the info Pintony.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

Pintony

Hello Tom,
If you go on a search and LUCK across a NEW rotor for the 1971-73 Pinto then you will pay in the neighborhood of 160.00 "each".
You can buy NEW 74-UP rotors for 50 or less each.
Now... to make them work you WIL need to have the machine shop turn them down to the absolute minimum not allowing for a re-turn.
I have been running this combo on my Purple Turbo 2.0 Pinto for 14 years and never had a problem. This combo is also on my Green Pinto and is working perfectly!
Aditionally you will need to remove .010-.050 from the caliper bracket in only some of the parting line areas of the caliper bracket.
A dremel tool works well...
After turning the rotor there may be some casting areas that do not clear the NOW wider rotor. I did not have to touch the caliper bracket on the green Pinto.
The green Pinto is only using this combo as I am running 16X8 rims upfront and used the 3/8 difference to make sure there was clearance between the tire and fender.
The 74-up rotor is 3/8 thinner than the early rotor so running a front rim with a little more offset is OK.
Stock wheels "UNLESS" running an extreemly wide tire will work just fine.
From Pintony

FCANON

My argument on this is if you re align the caliper mount you can buy new rotors and pads out of the box using the rotors many times. And you can go to the parts store and do a brake job without doing mods to the brake pads or re machine another rotor.
fabricate and make it simple....or just get some early rotors for cheap and have them surfaced.

FrankBoss
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www.stophumpingmytown.com
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77turbopinto

Nevermind.

Like I said, i never did it myself.


Bill
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FCANON

the Rotors are different 71-73 than the 74-80...
To turn the 74-80 rotors down to work in place of the 74-80 would be going way past spec on the rotor surface...
you be better off having the stock rotors surfaced or a used set surface.
if you have to go with the 74-80 rotors you'll have to have the caliper mounts machined and you'll loose the dust shields...I have done this to my 72 with no problems but I would look for a good used rotors to be turned personally.

FrankBoss

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www.stophumpingmytown.com
www.FrankBoss.com

Wittsend

Hummm..., with most places holding to the legal limit rules of turning rotors, I wonder if I can do that??? Thanks, Bill.

Tom

77turbopinto

I have been told that the 74 and later Pinto rotors can be turned and used as 'early' rotors (never did it myself).

As far as if 71 to 73 all take the same, I don't know.


Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Wittsend

Hello,
  I noticed that one of my rotors is looking bad on the 1973 Wagon. Were the same rotors used every year, or are the 71-73 rotors different?

   And, while on the subject are there any brake upgrades (I'd like to stay with the four lug) that can be applied from other donor Fords?  I have an '88 Turbo Coupe if anything is applicable.

Thanks, Tom