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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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77turbopinto

Less than 3 months to go!!



Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

dga57

Hi all!

I'm hoping to meet some of you face to face at Carlisle in June :).  Seriously doubt that I'll have my Pinto all done by then, but you never know.  A lot depends on the weather between now and then... it's just too cold to work on it now!  If I'm able to arrange to be there for the entire event, I may register one of my '79 Lincolns instead since neither of them would require any work before showing.

Actually, because the timing of the Carlisle Ford Nationals is pretty close to that of another event (non-automotive) that I'm planning to attend in Dallas, TX,  my intention at the moment is to make Carlisle a day trip on Saturday, rest up :sleep: at home on Sunday, and start the drive :fastcar: to Texas on Monday.  The only way I could register a car and stay for the entire event would be if the Dallas trip falls through for some reason :(.  I won't know anything on that until later.  Last minute accomodations wouldn't be a problem since my daughter lives in Mechanicsburg; about halfway between Carlisle and Hershey.  She'll put me up if I can't find a room.

So... while the details are still unclear, I DO plan to at least put in an appearance and will be looking forward to meeting whoever's there.

Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

77turbopinto

Brian,

  I blame Carlisle for not having all the information out there in years past. I hope you come join us again this year, and like I said, please park with us if you choose, but hang-out with us reguardless.


Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

NoForKin

hey all,
              when i registered for carlisle last year i was told to say i was with PCCA ,,cause if we got so many people the tent would be free and was given the option of stock or mod,,,  mine is as far from stock as u can get.  if i offened any 1 with my car im sorry,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i just wanted 2 have fun and check out some other pintos.




                                               NoForKin

77turbopinto

I was planning to 'run' this event for PCCA if needed. If someone else want to, I will help them.


Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.


77turbopinto

Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Pintony

Who is hosting Carlisle in 2008???

r4pinto

I'm staying at the Laquinta at Harrisburg, close to the Harrisburg Airport. They still have rooms available & through priceline I got a room for $52 a night for two people. The motel 6 a few minutes away from the Carlisle fairgrounds was all booked when I checked a few days ago.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

78pinto

what hotel is evryone staying at.....i'll see if i can get a room there also.
** Jeff (78Pinto) is Missing from us but will always be a part of our community- We miss you Jeff **

77turbopinto

Don't think I never thought of that.

CT has always considered El Camino's and Rancheros to be cars.


Bill
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Pintony

Quote from: 77turbopinto on January 12, 2008, 09:28:47 AM
If you click on this link you will see where the 2008 Carlisle registration form for the All Ford Show has 6 different classes. Pintos would only fit into 3 of them.
Type:   
      Stock (3 or less modifications) 
      Modified (4+ modifications) 
      Pro-Street/Race (Tubs, Induction thru Hood, Roll Cage, etc) 
      Street Rod (Pre 1949) 
  Truck:   
       2-WD
       4-WD


Hey Bill,
What if you had a Pincherto??? ;D

phils toys

Bill,
as i stated i did not see this when i registered
Type:   
      Stock (3 or less modifications) 
      Modified (4+ modifications) 
      Pro-Street/Race (Tubs, Induction thru Hood, Roll Cage, etc) 
      Street Rod (Pre 1949) 
  Truck:   
       2-WD
       4-WD

As the event coordinator last year I can say there were many questions asked about ALL classes. I would hope that any future event chair (for any show) would not have to deal with this issue again.
thanks for the info and fielding all the  questions from the past and i am sure there will be a few more before the show this year.
i also want everyone to have a great time.
phil

2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

77turbopinto

Quote from: phils toys on January 11, 2008, 08:33:23 PM
Harley,
when i registered i was only given the option of stock or modified  race was was not an option....

Did you call or do it online?

Quote from: pintoman on January 11, 2008, 05:58:01 PM
Hi y'all.When i set up the classes at Carlisle ,while working with them.They did not offer more than the two classes....

If you click on this link you will see where the 2008 Carlisle registration form for the All Ford Show has 6 different classes. Pintos would only fit into 3 of them.

http://store.carlisleevents.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CE&Product_Code=2008-028&Category_Code=CANC

Type:   
      Stock (3 or less modifications) 
      Modified (4+ modifications) 
      Pro-Street/Race (Tubs, Induction thru Hood, Roll Cage, etc) 
      Street Rod (Pre 1949) 
  Truck:   
       2-WD
       4-WD


As the event coordinator last year I can say there were many questions asked about ALL classes. I would hope that any future event chair (for any show) would not have to deal with this issue again.

Please keep this in mind: there are members here (and other Pinto owners too) that take this, or any competition VERY seriously, and others that don't. In all fairness to those that 'do', I believe we all should enter our cars in the appropriate class. If someone is unsure of what class they should be in they should contact Carlisle Events directly.

I just want everyone that goes there to have a great time.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

phils toys

Harley,
when i registered i was only given the option of stock or modified  race was was not an option. also i would think yours would be modified but i did not or have not see a list for race specifications. I also was not aware of any classification problems last year.but there seams to have been. anyway hope to see you there.
phils toys
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

r4pinto

Just got the hotel reservations made. It'll be me & my dad in the little old Pinto. It'll be the first time in about 17 years he's been in one. Hopefully mine won't end up like that one, dead being towed.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintoman

Hi y'all.When i set up the classes at Carlisle ,while working with them.They did not offer more than the two classes.I for one did not have any problems with Brians car in the modified class and I did not hear anyone complain.But thats OK,so lets just move on.So is my Rallye a modified or race car,seeing that I also autocross and do some drag racing.Just want to know.I hope to make Carlisle this year,I am trying to get a new driveway put in,just trying to figure out finances.
05 Pigon Forge Meet, 06 Carlile Meet Coordinator 06-07 Carlile Regional, Brief Case Award (ask)

77turbopinto

You can still park with the stocks and modifieds if you want, that would be kool. If you want to park with the other racecars, you can park your butt under the tent with us anyway.

BTW: Did you ever find a DYNO that that car will fit on?


Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

NoForKin

   Hey All,
              Guess my pinto is not stock then, just kidding im just hoping for some good weather and lots of pinto's ill be registering my 71 this week .....also im looking 4 a grill for my 71 .

                       NoForKin 
              1971 364 ci. 550 hp. 10.27@ 131.50 mph qtr mile















Pintony

Quote from: 78pinto on January 08, 2008, 10:38:39 PM
i'm in the stock class right?

When you get some class we will LYK!!! ;D


Can't wait to see your ride!!!!

78pinto

i'm in the stock class right?
** Jeff (78Pinto) is Missing from us but will always be a part of our community- We miss you Jeff **

phils toys

boss2300
:hypno:  ???  i thought it was a   :fastcar: race car by the big blue oval 
phils toys
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

Boss2300

Hi Guys
   In my many years showing my restored to original 70 Boss 302 I discovered that there are a lot of people that put there car in shows for trophys. I call them trophy hunters & they get upset when they get beat out. Even if they lose to a better car. It is harder & more costly to restore a car to original. By original I mean with original  restored parts or NOS parts with the correct part # on them & not over the counter Ford replacement parts. Ford replacement parts are not allways the same as came on the car from the factory. A simple explanation would be a turn signal that came from the factory with a blue wire plug & an over the counter one has a black plug. I go to shows to enjoy the cars & the people I meet. If I win a trophy it's great if I don't it's no biggie to me. It is important to have good rules set for the classes. Stock should be just as it implies stock ie no mods. If you have more than 3 mods you go into the mod class no questions asked. I think we all can tell a race car. All you guys that have been to the Carlisle show know my 78 Cruisin Wagon is pure stock. LOL
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77turbopinto

Phil, thats a good list of stuff. The only thing is there are 3 classes, not just those two, and Carlisle has the details on what 'modifications' put a car into the (3rd) racecar class.

Matt, yes there are some that chose to do stuff like that and thats sad; I would hope that in a people's choice the voters would notice things like that and vote accordingly.

Again, the reason I wanted to bring this up now is because of all of the questions on it last year.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

r4pinto

Thing I noticed is there are people that get around it anyways. When I went to the Chrysler show this year there was a guy that had an 89 Plymouth Horizon done up as an 85 Dodge Omni GLH Turbo clone, and he was in stock FWD class. They didn't even make the GLH after 86, so his car was heavily modified, but nothing was said about it.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well, when you put it like that Phill, I see your point. I guess I'm just not used to attending car shows as a participant, but as a spectator only. I'd have to say you're right. As long as I have fun at the show I guess it doesn't matter.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

phils toys

Matt , keep in mind  carlisle allows 3  modifications. each rim would not count as one  (4)  buy just 1 modification also other than stock size tires  would be a modification. 
The intent of the "Stock" class is to simulate an original, assembly line condition vehicle. It is recognized that most of these vehicles will have some changes and additions.

just trying to give people an idea 
and if  you are not in it for a "trophy"  and just for  fun   what difference does it make if you are listed in modified  if you did make more than 3 changes?  I do realize this is not a judged  show but i have attended several judged shows and they try to put my car in the modified class  because  they had never seen rims like  them before  so now i carry  proof  they are factory  wheels.
no matter how it is set some will get upset.

phils toys.
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

r4pinto

What I'm noticing is prolly about half the Pintos out there would be in modified. It's just my opinion, but too much goes into rating the cars as to what class they are.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

phils toys

after doing some research here is what i found as rules conserning stock and modified

STOCK CLASS
The Stock Class will include vehicles that appear to be factory stock. The interior must be original or a duplicate of the original in material, style and color. Engine must be visibly stock for the vehicle's year and model. Numbers do not have to match.. No bolt-on aftermarket parts allowed. Wheels must be available for the year/model of the vehicle

The intent of the "Stock" class is to simulate an original, assembly line condition vehicle. It is recognized that most of these vehicles will have some changes and additions.
list of modifications[/color]
Interior significantly modified (i.e., shag carpet, incorrect seat material, non-factory seat, low-back buckets where high-backs belong, Incorrect year shifter)
Non-stock paint scheme/striping significantly different from production
Factory wheels of incorrect year, significant difference
Non-factory wheels
2 each Ride height altered more than 1 inch, lift kits, after-market shackles, traction bars
Deeply tinted glass
Non-factory shifter, approx stock appearance
Competition, after-market shifter, Vertigate, etc.
1 each Chrome engine or underhood accessories. Chrome valve covers
After-market gauges (including tach)
Dash altered for after-market gauges
Non-factory type carb
Non-factory type intake manifold
Headers
Incorrect engine color
After-market chrome exhaust tips that differ significantly from factory equipment, or non-factory location
Exterior modifications that significantly alter the appearance of the vehicle (i.e., after-market style scoops, spoilers, air dams, altered or flared wheel openings, tubs, sunroofs, etc.)



.MODIFIED CLASS
The following items will automatically put your vehicle in the Modified Class: bodywork that involves a redesign of the original body lines, including but not limited to nosing, chopping, channeling, sectioning, changing radius of wheel wells, moulding, tunneling, etc. Paint that is of custom design such as painted Graphics, shading, blending, candy, pearl, neon, or murals. Engine relocation and/or custom fabricated engine mounts and/or a different engine than was available with any given entry and/or a smoothed out engine block. Any aftermarket )non stock OEM) multiple carb set-ups, tunnel rams, blowers, turbo chargers and/or late model tuned port-type fuel infection on any other era vehicle. Interiors that are of a custom design that consists of changes to three or more of the following: seats, door panels, dash modifications, flooring, headliner, trunk, or truck bed area. See notes concerning dealer- and factory-sold conversions in Stock Class above.
hope this helps
phils toys
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

Pintony

Do Wheels count as a MOD???
If so? I will have to run 3 alloys and 1 hubcap... ;D