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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Why were the stock 2.3 hp numbers different?

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CHEAPRACER

Maybe the dynos got more accurate as the years progressed :hypno:

Thinking outside the box here guys.
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

r4pinto

Quote from: 77turbopinto on November 19, 2007, 10:02:56 PM
Matt, you are the correct line. The FED standards got increasingly tight EVERY YEAR. The only easy way to comply in those days was to make changes that choked massive power out of the engine. They also made BIG changes to the gearing.

Bill

I was somewhat right??? WOW!!!!  Must have been the combination of the fumes from the spray paint, Purple Power degreaser, brake cleaner & carb cleaner I was using to clean & paint my engine parts.  :D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

77turbopinto

I only posted that to "open a can of worms". Please note it worked.
(also so the first post in my turbo swap thread in the FAQ).

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Pintony

Quote from: 77turbopinto on November 19, 2007, 10:26:19 AM
Sorry Tony, a turbo does not change the C/R.

Bill

Hey Bill,
My statement WAS the only way to make HP is CR or Turbo.
My statement was NOT to claim that a turbo would change the CR.
Who Do you think you are???
I know what I was saying!!!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

77turbopinto

Quote from: r4pinto on November 19, 2007, 09:54:44 PM
I'm not too sure. Some parts were prolly the emissions parts (EGR charcoal cannister, ect.) I think the carb was made different, as there were different models listed at the parts stores, and unless I am mistaken & could be the timing was retarded as well. This is just a guess, not too sure of the details.

Matt, you are the correct line. The FED standards got increasingly tight EVERY YEAR. The only easy way to comply in those days was to make changes that choked massive power out of the engine. They also made BIG changes to the gearing.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

r4pinto

I'm not too sure. Some parts were prolly the emissions parts (EGR charcoal cannister, ect.) I think the carb was made different, as there were different models listed at the parts stores, and unless I am mistaken & could be the timing was retarded as well. This is just a guess, not too sure of the details.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

AJPinto

Quote from: r4pinto on November 18, 2007, 09:35:22 PM
The Feds kicked in. From what I remember reading they required the engines to be detuned which lowered emissions, but also at the expense of HP. That sound right to anyone?
How were they detuned? With emissions stuff? Engine internals?
I'm just curious about stock motors, '74-80, and why they were different.
Or did they just change the published numbers?

77turbopinto

Quote from: turbo toy on November 19, 2007, 08:35:01 PM
....PUNCTUATION be a wonderful thing.

I politely mentioned this to him also, and apparently others have too, but it has not taken effect yet. (hey APN, it is a courtesy thing....)

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

77turbopinto

Quote from: turbo toy on November 19, 2007, 08:07:40 PM
Wow, I hate to hear that turbo motors won't live. Now I'll be worried every time I drive my 10.70 quarter mill daily driver turbo Pinto. The static compression ratio is not raised with boost. The cylinder pressure however, increases proportionally with boost. As far as the NA engine goes, I don't see real big increases without real big money. I ran a NA 2.3 Pinto in Modified Compact {NHRA and IHRA} and the most HP it ever made was 286, and that was a high dollar motor for its time. I'm looking for 1500 HP out of the new alky motor, but it has absolutely the best parts made and will be running at a minimum of 50 pounds of boost from an 80 MM turbo. What would the theoretical compression ratio be running a static of 11:1?

Thank you.

Quote from: apintonut on November 19, 2007, 08:30:26 PM
...What is the best way to increase horse power? ...

"BEST" is a RELITIVE TERM, and is STRICTLY determend by SPICIFIC GOALS.


Bill
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turbo toy

Quote from: apintonut on November 19, 2007, 08:30:26 PM
from esslinger.com
How much horsepower does the 2.3 SOHC Ford engine produce stock? click here
http://www.esslingeracing.com/faq.htm#
What is the best way to increase horse power? click here
http://www.esslingeracing.com/faq.htm#
. What type and size of carburetor shold I run? click here
http://www.esslingeracing.com/faq.htm#
What is the advantage of converting my head to a roller setup? click here
http://www.esslingeracing.com/faq.htm#
sorry have never had one of my engines or cars on a dyno
sorry if im off i was just give out a good place to start for semi stock low budget non turbo
improved hp engine
including the thing i have learned that work well from the mistake i have made
sorry for my post i should have dodged around giving a hp estaminet
one more mistake i have learned from
no i did not base any of my post off of this info i fond on esslinger.com this was all from my trial and error
p.s. esslinger will build u any hp u want if u have the $$$$ to spend

You just aint got a clue sport. BTW,  PUNCTUATION be a wonderful thing.

apintonut

from esslinger.com
How much horsepower does the 2.3 SOHC Ford engine produce stock? click here
http://www.esslingeracing.com/faq.htm#
What is the best way to increase horse power? click here
http://www.esslingeracing.com/faq.htm#
. What type and size of carburetor shold I run? click here
http://www.esslingeracing.com/faq.htm#
What is the advantage of converting my head to a roller setup? click here
http://www.esslingeracing.com/faq.htm#
sorry, have never had one of my engines or cars on a dyno.
sorry, if im off i was just give out a good place to start for semi stock low budget non turbo
improved hp engine including the thing i have learned that work well from the mistake i have made.
sorry, for my post i should have dodged around giving a hp estaminet
one more mistake i have learned from
no, i did not base any of my post off of this info i fond on esslinger.com this was all from my trial and error
p.s. esslinger will build u any hp u want if u have the $$$$ to spend
74 hatch soon to be turbo 2.3
73 sedan soon to be painted
stiletto parts(4 sale)
79 pinto wagon & beentoad
wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.

turbo toy

Wow, I hate to hear that turbo motors won't live. Now I'll be worried every time I drive my 10.70 quarter mill daily driver turbo Pinto. The static compression ratio is not raised with boost. The cylinder pressure however, increases proportionally with boost. As far as the NA engine goes, I don't see real big increases without real big money. I ran a NA 2.3 Pinto in Modified Compact {NHRA and IHRA} and the most HP it ever made was 286, and that was a high dollar motor for its time. I'm looking for 1500 HP out of the new alky motor, but it has absolutely the best parts made and will be running at a minimum of 50 pounds of boost from an 80 MM turbo. What would the theoretical compression ratio be running a static of 11:1?

77turbopinto

Quote from: pintosopher on November 19, 2007, 06:50:23 PM
Howdy,
I agree, the comparison is: Mechanical vs "Effective" CR. One is calculated with Dimensions and PSI  The other is "Environmentally altered" to a similar or greater effect  i.e. Effective ratio by Boost pressure.

Pintosopher

X2

Quote from: map351 on November 19, 2007, 06:43:08 PM
Bill
If that was true you could run 30Lb boost on 89 Octane with 35+ Deg of timing...

The C/R of the engine itself does not change with boost, the PSI at TDC goes up. The 'effective' C/R, or what it is called by others is different, but that is based on PSI; in a way, I see it "similar" to calculating HP, a mathmatical factor of torque + RPM.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Pintosopher

 Howdy,
I agree, the comparison is: Mechanical vs "Effective" CR. One is calculated with Dimensions and PSI  The other is "Environmentally altered" to a similar or greater effect  i.e. Effective ratio by Boost pressure.

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

map351

Quote from: 77turbopinto on November 19, 2007, 10:26:19 AM
Sorry Tony, a turbo does not change the C/R.

Bill

Bill
If that was true you could run 30Lb boost on 89 Octane with 35+ Deg of timing..
Try this..
http://www.wallaceracing.com/boost-compression-ratio-calc.php
This is @ 1450 Altitude..

The Boosted Compression Ratio from your Boost of 25 psi @ 8:1 is 21.59 : 1
                                                                 Boost of 30 psi @ 8:1 is 24.04 : 1




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Pintosopher

 Hey All ,
 This is great debate, but in truth , the Real numbers are shown on a dyno. If you look at Esslinger's numbers for a midget ALCOHOL injected motor, the best you may get is 300 at the crank. The ARCA Truck engine used to be sold with a 285 HP number.
 The Esslinger built Ford Probe 2.3 Road racing engine didn't exceed more than 260 on racing gas.
The issue on which parts, depends on how High U spin the engine, and how often you want a rebuild. A turbo10 second 1/4 mile engine is not getting much usage. Add Nitrous and it's life gets short real fast , 400+ HP or not!
 Even the 2.0 was never dynoed much past 225 HP N/A as a road racing motor, and it had block /harmonic issues. The "racing only" Cosworth YBA/YBG 2.0 required race gas or huge sidedraft carbs to take advantange of superior Head (twin cam 16 Valve) steel crank, heavy 205 casting block and other goodies for a 245 to 300 HP rating (non turbo).
A stock short block , d-port head, with usable carburation, mild cam , headers, and the usual MSD ignition should be good for 150 HP on Street gas at 92 octane. It will drive fine and that is almost double the stock amount. Any more than that, will require compromises or big $$$ for little benefit.
Remember this isn't a E30 M3 BMW, or a New Civic Si. Until the bucks are spent, that extra 50- 100 HP Normally Aspirated just aren't there. AND this won't be emissions compliant equipment on a 2.3 either.

In good faith.. Truth prevails

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

r4pinto

Quote from: Pintony on November 19, 2007, 04:13:03 AM

I'm sorry apintonut.
But at what RPM do you start making 250 HP with a Pinto 2.3 engine?????
Don't believe everything you read!!!!
From Pintony


I got to agree with you Pintony, if I could get 250 out of my 2.3 Pinto engine, then I would. And nobody would go turbo cuz they'd be getting all the power out of an NA Pinto.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

turbo toy

Quote from: apintonut on November 18, 2007, 11:54:52 PM
the first and easiest is the carb go to ur junk yard or your buddy that has ford parts and get a motor craft 2 brl off a 351w or 302 (or holley 350 2brl) pull the carb and egr plate off ur pinto put a or change egr out for a one inch spacer put carb on ur hp is now about 125 hp for 20-40$ (or u can use a 2x4brl adapter and a 390 holley this requires modifying the throttle cable use one from a mustang fox or mustang 2)

next the header and 2.5 inch exhaust ur at about 150+ then 100$ if u build yourself

next is most important for off the line and keeping ur engine alive with hard running this is the esslinger windage tray goes in the oil pan and is a bear to install with the engine in the car but can be done u will need to undo the motor mounts and lift the engine a bit 120$

stud and strap at this time if u have the engine out and rebuilding way worth the extra $$$

then the roller rocker and cam out of a ranger 0-40$

if u have the head off any way or have an extra check with a local head builder to see what they charge for big valve may be worth the extra cash to have a rebuilt head that will most likely last longer with more hp could be any where from 250-900$ depending on what u want done (this is not a must for 250 hp this is a must for 300+ hp)

and esslinger power pulley u should be at 215-250 hp

i would also recommend a super coil and really good wire or (make them out of tv coax cable -> ive only herd this works good:-)

plz dont forget that one of the cheapest + hp is port and polish as much as can be done this is easiest than u think using the gasket and a bright collar paint; paint the out line of it on the part (head or manifold) using a die grinder (20$ at harbor freight or free at ur buddies garage) grind all extra metal out as deep as u can dont forget the top of the manifold

then if u have a c4 find a v6 car with c4 ( most any car) and use the tork converter u now have a hight stall for 20$ or if u have a 4 speed mustang and tbird  5 speed t5 lower 1 gear craigslist 75-200$

this will run u more than the 250$ i earlier said but u can do it one piece at a time

if i left any thing out that  some one els know to be important in longevity or cheap hp plz reply this is just the mods i have always done to both my pintos and rangers,



This is without a doubt the most BOGUS info I have seen in a long time. :showback:

77turbopinto

Quote from: Pintony on November 19, 2007, 04:13:03 AM
...The only way to make HP is to raise the CR.
Either by using zero-deck pistons OR shave-ing the head.
OR by installing a Turbo....

Sorry Tony, a turbo does not change the C/R.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Pintony

Windage tray, straps and studs are totally a WASTE of money unless you are running a roundy round Pinto.
The power pully is NOT recomended for the street.

NOTICE Esslinger parts are for RACE CARS not street cars

The only way to make HP is to raise the CR.
Either by using zero-deck pistons OR shave-ing the head.
OR by installing a Turbo.

Either way you should start out with a Turbo block. They R STRONG!!!!
And almost NEVER need to be bored.
I'm sorry apintonut.
But at what RPM do you start making 250 HP with a Pinto 2.3 engine?????
Don't believe everything you read!!!!
From Pintony

r4pinto

The Feds kicked in. From what I remember reading they required the engines to be detuned which lowered emissions, but also at the expense of HP. That sound right to anyone?
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

AJPinto

1976 was rated at 92hp and 1979 at 88hp
Any difference mechanically or just emissions stuff?
And if it's emissions, what specifically was different?
Boring question I know....