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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

"Ford" Help Needed For Diesel 2.0

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Starliner

Hey Bill,

When I bought my 73 Pinto it had a book in the trunk.  The title was called "Petersen's complete book of Pinto". 
In the book it had an article about installing a Chrysler/Nissan diesel motor in a Pinto to get 75 miles per gallon.
Interesting article.  I love the custom gas tank they built.

You have given me some great information on this site.  If you want the book, it's yours.  I will mail it to you.
Let me know.  you can email me  "starliner at comcast dot net"

I know you were only checking on a low cost possibility.  These "what if" project discussions are great!


1973 Pinto 1600 - Sold!  
1979 Pinto 2300 - Sold!
1984 Audi 5000 Avant - 60,000 original miles
1987 Audi 5000 S Quattro - The snowmobile
1973 Volvo 1800 ES wagon -  my project car
1976 Mustang II - Wifey's new toy

douglasskemp

An interesting thing I found while I was perusing 2.3 stuff online.  Apparently 85-87 Rangers had a diesel option (so did earlier ones, but the 85 up had fuel injection), but it was made by Mitsubishi, not Mazda.  Funny thing is, this motor has been a option in Monteros and Pajeros in various displacements (2.3-2.6) since the mid 80s thru the late 90s, including turbo variants.  The only problem is they weren't a very popular option back then because not too many people were worried about fuel economy quite as much here in the states as they were in say Europe.  Bill, I know you are no longer going forward with this project, but I figured I would throw this out there for those that may want to try it themselves.
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

77turbopinto

Quote from: pintosopher on November 15, 2007, 09:32:50 PM
Hi Bill,
  I did some further checking on the mazda connection to the Tempo Diesel, and it would appear that the Mazda 626 2.0 diesel is the motor used in the diesel Tempo. The good thing about that and the connection to the mazda B22 diesel pickup, is mazda has a history of sharing block castings on their platforms. Example : the 323 FWD mazda and the Miata early models. This could help if you are serious about this conversion. The rest of the challenges with driveline compatibility are "doable". I would suggest a chat with the Mazda forum guys and confirm the compatibility, then you'll  really know what to get into next .
 
Best of luck,
Pintosopher

Quote from: 77turbopinto on November 14, 2007, 04:46:23 PM
...I was only looking to see if they have the same bell bolt pattern as a 2.3, and it seems to be 'not' (thanks for all the input). With that, I am not going to go any further...


Thanks anyway,
Bill
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Pintosopher

 Hi Bill,
  I did some further checking on the mazda connection to the Tempo Diesel, and it would appear that the Mazda 626 2.0 diesel is the motor used in the diesel Tempo. The good thing about that and the connection to the mazda B22 diesel pickup, is mazda has a history of sharing block castings on their platforms. Example : the 323 FWD mazda and the Miata early models. This could help if you are serious about this conversion. The rest of the challenges with driveline compatibility are "doable". I would suggest a chat with the Mazda forum guys and confirm the compatibility, then you'll  really know what to get into next .
 
Best of luck,
Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

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Peterd156

Hi Bill,

   I haven't learned the thread thing yet. I'll get that taken care of.  What I'm saying is the 200 six & the 2.3 HSC have the same bell housing bolt pattern.  I'm uncertain if the diesel is the same bolt pattern as the HSC. I have to agree with the guy who mentioned a trans from a diesel Mazda truck. That would be RWD & should bolt right up. Transmission length & crossmember location may be an issue, along with driveshaft length.  Good luck, from what I've seen, if anyone can do it, it's you.

                                                                                                                  Pete

77turbopinto

Quote from: pintosopher on November 15, 2007, 02:45:02 PM
Greetings,
It seems that the conversion issue is how to get a Ford Tempo 2.0L Diesel  to work in a Pinto Chassis, and with what Transmission....

Well..., sort of... 

I was only looking to see if they have the same bell bolt pattern as a 2.3, and it seems to be 'not' (thanks for all the input). With that, I am not going to go any further.

Quote from: pintosopher on November 15, 2007, 02:45:02 PM
...The ancillary stuff : Motor mounts ,Clutch , throttle linkage and fuel delivery, not to mention wiring the whole thing, could make this a real headache. Spend enough time & Money, and it can be done, but the return on the investment, is shaky at best....

Yes, I agree; please see my second post in this thread.

Bill

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Pintosopher

Greetings,
It seems that the conversion issue is how to get a Ford Tempo 2.0L Diesel  to work in a Pinto Chassis, and with what Transmission. The post by "apintonut " has the most relevant info IF the Tempo Diesel (Mazda manufactured not Ford) is used. I would think that the US made 2.3L HSC engine has nothing in common with any Mazda made ford 2.0L motor.
  A transmission from a Mazda Pickup equipped with a Diesel ( Or gas engine if the two share cranks and block casting) seems like the only option with this Tempo diesel engine. The ancillary stuff : Motor mounts ,Clutch , throttle linkage and fuel delivery, not to mention wiring the whole thing, could make this a real headache. Spend enough time & Money, and it can be done, but the return on the investment, is shaky at best. Maybe a Real serious engine build designing maximum economy is the best choice for  savings of Gasoline cost. Diesel conversion is a costly idea , even if it's unique.
 But in retrospect, I'd still like a Pinto with a 2.1 litre Cosworth ford 4 ( YBG ) or similar ... all it takes is Money and time ($8K+) . Or should I buy a V8 Mustang of 65-66 vintage ($12-18K) .....

Back to the Corral..

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

77turbopinto

Hi Pete in PA,

Glad to see you here now. Feel free to start a thread, or send a PM with questions. I prefer a thread so others can get the info too.

IMHO: The T-5 is the best tranny that is a direct bolt in if you are looking at a 5spd. That being said, most 79/80's had TALL geared rears (like 2.79's). I think that a stock Pinto 2.3 engine will not have the torque (power) needed to EFECTIVLY use an overdrive gear with a rear that is taller than a 3.00. You MIGHT be OK on down-grades, but that might be all. When I first put the T-5 in my tan car I still had the 2.79's (ish) rear, and 5th was BARELY useable; the good news was I had a mathematical top speed of just over 200MPH. I recamend swapping to a 3.40 or better first. That will give you better bottom-end pull, but the OD gear will give you highway mileage AND be useable

Quote from: Peterd156 on November 15, 2007, 11:04:34 AM
...the 2.3 motor in Tempos is a totally different engine than the 2.3 Lima used in Pintos, Mustangs, etc .... They share nothing !!... 

Yes, I am aware. I posted that I was looking at the bolt pattern on the bells, and from what I understand both 2.3L's are the same.


Quote from: Peterd156 on November 15, 2007, 11:04:34 AM
....The Tempo motor is called the HSC motor. (High Swirl Combustion)  To the best of my knowledge it was never used in a RWD configuration. It is also a piece of junk compared to the 2.3 Lima. So, I think it would be very difficult to adapt to a Pinto. I doubt it would be cost effective at all. Unique yes, worth the time & effort, no....

Very good info, but I am not thinking of putting the front drive 2.3 in a Pinto, I am thinking about putting a 2.0 Diesel in a Pinto.

Let me know what info you need.

Bill




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Peterd156

Hello Again,

   OK, you might be able to find a trans in a car with a 200 CID 6 cylinder & a standard trans. The 2.3 HSC was more like the 200 six than the 2.3 Lima. Check the link below and you will see what I mean.
http://www.tempotopaz.com/main/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=35&page=1

                                                                                                                               Pete in Pa

Peterd156

Hi Bill,

   OK, the 2.3 motor in Tempos is a totally different engine than the 2.3 Lima used in Pintos, Mustangs, etc .... They share nothing !!  The Tempo motor is called the HSC motor. (High Swirl Combustion)  To the best of my knowledge it was never used in a RWD configuration. It is also a piece of junk compared to the 2.3 Lima. So, I think it would be very difficult to adapt to a Pinto. I doubt it would be cost effective at all. Unique yes, worth the time & effort, no.

I'm looking at putting a T-5 trans in mine. That will give me an overdrive gear. (.8 to 1) Also, advancing the camshaft 4 degrees makes a world of difference. Ford also had a 4 speed trans in the late 70's & very early 80's called the SROD. (single rail over drive)  It's basically a 3 speed trans with overdrive. That should be a direct bolt in application.

One last thing; I need to ask you some questions about the white 79 cp I bought from you awhile back. No problems with the car, runs great !! 
                                                                                                                   Thanks,  Pete in PA

77turbopinto

Thanks Dave, but I don't think it will happen unless I can figure out a rear drive tranny for it first.

If there is anyone in or around CT, I can give you the details if you want to get the Tempo. PM me.



Bill
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Original74

Bill,

Good luck with your diesel project. Back in 1980, after my new 74 2.3 got tired, I put an Isuzu diesel engine in my Pinto. The engine was the same as they were then putting in Chevy Luv pickups made by Isuzu. 60 HP, naturally aspirated, 0-55 in 25 seconds, but got 40 MPG every tank and pulled a 2000 lb.tent trailer! That was then....this is now. Would love to put a small modern turbo diesel in my project car. I need to hit local junkyards and see if that little puppy is still around. I am sure it has been crushed  :(.

Dave
Dave Herbeck- Missing from us... He will always be with us

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1976 Runabout, project.
1979 Sedan, 'Jade', 429 miles, show car, really needs to be in a museum. I am building him one!
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Tercin

A friend of mine had a Mercedes 190D. He would go to a restuarant and get their used oil, take it home filter it through a pillow case and then pour it in his tank and drive away. The filtering took a while but he would set it up and then let it slowly drip until if filled up his 5 gallon can. This guy would do other stuff then come back and check on it. No mods were made to the car, however he only did this in the summer months.

Tercin
The only Pinto I have
73 Sports Accent
Rust free California Car

77turbopinto

Hijacking my own thread.

IMHO: With all the 'hype' about FREE veg. oil, the laws of supply and demand WILL cause that to change somewhere, somehow, in some way (it will only stay FREE until people make a DEMAND for it and the SUPPLY runs low). Add in the FACT that it STILL needs to be treated before use in most cars, AND the cars NEED to be modified for it to avoid potential damage to newer cars....  What would happen if the govt. regulated it (TAX), BANNED it from use on public roads, or other restrictions? All that time money and effort would be wasted. I can see them doing the tax thing because tax on gas pays for roads. Look what is happening to the hybrids.

I need to also mention the 'cost recovery' aspect (that I have been criticized for bringing this up in the past). It does not take a brain-scientist or a rocket-surgeon to see that the INITAL investment can be substantial compared to the long term savings.

I.E.: To go from 20 MPG to 50 MPG, fuel at 3.00 per gallon, and with an intital investment cost of $3000. would require driving that car 33,000 miles BEFORE ANY SAVINGS are seen. (I have had my tan car for 8 years and put a wopping 7K on it)

That all being said, I would not be thinking about this if it were not for me having a bunch of parts that I might be able to use, the engine/car is cheap, AND I would be doing it for reasons other that 'cost saving'.

My $.02 from my soapbox (that I just got off of).

Yes PP, I am tempted to get the car anyway.....


Bill
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Pintopowers

Heck if the donor is cheap enough ide still get it, there gotta be a RWD tranny out there if the pinto tranny wont fit. A diesel pinto would be great :) Especialy one that runs on vegtable oil instead of expensive diesel.

Im hoping one day i can scrounge up an electric motor and one day make an electric pinto.

Steve

77turbopinto

Anyone out there able to tell me if the 2.0 Diesels in the 84 to 86 Tempos have the same tranny (bell) bolt pattern as a 2.3? I know they take different trannys from the (front drive) 2.3's, I don't know why, but I know that the front drive 2.3 has the same pattern as a rear drive2.3.

ANY info would be great!

I have a line on a running (donor) car, and I have a spare Pinto.....

Bill
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