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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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LBF

Quote from: High_Horse on December 03, 2007, 05:52:04 PM
LBF,
I have never in my life driven a Caddy Hurst.

                                                                                                                                 High_Horse
And you never will - 'cause it's "Hearse" not "Hurst" - unless you're talking about the brand of shifter...
Seriously, though, my older cars run like crap on 10% Ethanol gas.  I do try to put premium in them but premium tends to have the ethanol in it.  One of these days I'll get a flatbed that can haul a 22 foot 7500 pound Cadillac and I won't have to worry about the quality of the gas availiable on the road.

High_Horse

LBF,
I have never in my life driven a Caddy Hurst.

                                                                                                                                 High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

LBF

Quote from: High_Horse on December 02, 2007, 10:27:02 PM
LBF,
    Well, If you normally run hightest I could see a noticable difference but if you run regular then I couldn't imagine being able to tell.


                                                                                                                          High_Horse
You'd be surprised then. 

High_Horse

LBF,
    Well, If you normally run hightest I could see a noticable difference but if you run regular then I couldn't imagine being able to tell.
Tangent time...I have been evaluating  transport systems for my Pinto and after thinking Hurst it occured to me with some rear modification and a duelly rearend that a Hurst might make a pretty cool Pinto mothership.

                                                                                                                          High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

LBF

Quote from: High_Horse on December 01, 2007, 08:03:44 PM
LBF,
         There is one thing that I find intriguing. Arn't all of your Caddies equipt with Rochester 4 barrels??? And please don't get me wrong. I have never enjoyed redoing and setting up a carb more then the roch 4 spread bore especially the old ones. But I find it unusual that the e10 would be so noticable. Maybe they are different carbs.


                                                                                                                      High_Horse

Yes, they are all Rochesters.  It does take a little more power to motivate a 7000 lbs Commercial Chassis than a standard Cadillac, so it is possible that I notice the loss of power a little more than others might - if they were driving a normal Cadillac, that is.

apintonut

my 2 cents
if every one care to take the time find a alternative fuel that fits there needs. then the gas will go down for other car that still run on them. my favorites bio diesels and the ev's both the most enviralmently friendly.  the only alternative fuel vehicle i have is turbo propane ranger. it isn't done yet. if u r one that care about global warming and the price of all fuels going up. then do some thing about it. just changing to Florissant light bulbs and driving ur pinto rather than ur suv or truck when ever u can.

here r some links to help.
http://www.fuelalternative-s.com/
http://retrotekspeed.com/
http://www.holley.com/division/Holley.asp       look at the efi kits will bolt on in-place of carb.
74 hatch soon to be turbo 2.3
73 sedan soon to be painted
stiletto parts(4 sale)
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wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.

High_Horse

LBF,
         There is one thing that I find intriguing. Arn't all of your Caddies equipt with Rochester 4 barrels??? And please don't get me wrong. I have never enjoyed redoing and setting up a carb more then the roch 4 spread bore especially the old ones. But I find it unusual that the e10 would be so noticable. Maybe they are different carbs.


                                                                                                                      High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

LBF

Quote from: High_Horse on December 01, 2007, 01:45:27 AM
LBF,
It is a known fact that alcohol will disolve fuel varnish. Back in 74 or 75 when they began furnishing fuel stations with the 10% mixture they did recommend to change the fuel filter. I at that time was driving a 64 merc. Monteray with a 352 in it. It was equipt with one of those glass bowl type fuel filters and sure as beans it plugged but it was to easy to remove on the street and blow out with a shake and a puff.
I suggest that if it was that radical of a leak all of a sudden then trash came out of the filter or dislodged from your float bowl or float and lodged in your float needle valve.
I do not want to suggest that you don't know what you are talking about. I don't even know you. I like your garage!!!!!!!!!!
But I think it is important not to indicate to any of the less experienced Pinto guys on this site that ethanol is taboo especially considering that allot of our cars are pre-75 and sitting along time and loaded with varnish.
Yes....The e85 does reduce gas milage...but that same reduction is also evident in new vehicles designed to burn it.

                                                                                           High_Horse

Actually, I believe a gasket let lose when it was exposed to the ethanol.  I'm sure the carb did need a rebuild, but the ethanol definitely helped make that a necessity.  And, the old Caddy hadn't been sitting - I took a bus to Gastonia, NC and drove it back to Missouri back in Jan. of 2000.  I bought it from a guy that was using it as a daily driver.  My main concern is how poorly most of my cars run on ethanol.  I have driven many, many miles in old Cadillacs - and they don't like running on ethanol gas.

High_Horse

QuoteEthyl alcohol (ethanol) CH3CH2OH
Thank you.
So you are saying that it is perfectly ok to run in any Pinto engine without any carb work as long as the mixture does not excede E50.
                                                                                                                              High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Pintony

Here you go..

Alcohol Name  Formula
Methyl alcohol (methanol) CH3OH
Ethyl alcohol (ethanol) CH3CH2OH
n - propyl alcohol CH3CH2CH2OH
Isopropyl alcohol (propanol -2) CH3CHOHCH3
n-butyl alcohol (butanol -1) CH3(CH2)2CH2OH
butyl alcohol (butanol -2) CH3CH2CHOHCH3
n-hexyl alcohol (hexanol-1) CH3(CH2)4CH2OH
n-heptyl alcohol (heptanol-1) CH3(CH2)5CH2OH
n-octyl alcohol (octanol-1) CH3(CH2)6CH2OH
ethylene glycol CH2OHCH2OH
glycerol CH2OHCHOHCH2OH

High_Horse

I was hoping to get into it with you but that one threw me way off.

                                                                                                             High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Pintony

How many oxygen molecules does alcohol have???

High_Horse

LBF,
It is a known fact that alcohol will disolve fuel varnish. Back in 74 or 75 when they began furnishing fuel stations with the 10% mixture they did recommend to change the fuel filter. I at that time was driving a 64 merc. Monteray with a 352 in it. It was equipt with one of those glass bowl type fuel filters and sure as beans it plugged but it was to easy to remove on the street and blow out with a shake and a puff.
I suggest that if it was that radical of a leak all of a sudden then trash came out of the filter or dislodged from your float bowl or float and lodged in your float needle valve.
I do not want to suggest that you don't know what you are talking about. I don't even know you. I like your garage!!!!!!!!!!
But I think it is important not to indicate to any of the less experienced Pinto guys on this site that ethanol is taboo especially considering that allot of our cars are pre-75 and sitting along time and loaded with varnish.
Yes....The e85 does reduce gas milage...but that same reduction is also evident in new vehicles designed to burn it.

                                                                                           High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

LBF

Quote from: High_Horse on November 30, 2007, 09:25:46 AM
LBF,
   Why do your cars hate the 10%? It is actually good for them. It keeps the fuel system clean. It burns slower and more completely eliminating carbon buildup. It prevents pre-ignition due to excessive carbonbuildup.


                                                                                                                             High_Horse
I hate the 10% ethanol unleaded because my older cars run like crap with that stuff in the tank.  I filled the tank in my '69 Cadillac Calais a few years ago and my carb started to leak so badly I had to push it out of my basement garage at 2am because it was filling the garage (and thus the house above it!) with fumes!  I thought that the pilot light on the propane furnace was going to blow everything up!  And this was a car that had zero carb problems prior to this mistake.  None of my older cars run with a darn with that in the tank - and when you're in the larger cities that is usually all you can find.

High_Horse

LBF,
   Why do your cars hate the 10%? It is actually good for them. It keeps the fuel system clean. It burns slower and more completely eliminating carbon buildup. It prevents pre-ignition due to excessive carbonbuildup.


                                                                                                                             High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

LBF

I can hardly stand to drive any of my older cars out of state due to having to buy 10% (or higher) ethanol gas.  My '66 Cadillac and heck, even my '72 Oldsmobile just hate the stuff!  Eventually I will have to buy a truck big enough to pull a 48 foot trailer if I want to take two cars to a show.  I can't wait until all you can get is E85, and the price of food will offset any "savings" at the pump...

Tercin

E 85 is certainly a result of the corn lobby. You will get a higher octane with e 85 but your efficiency will be lower, i.e. lower gas mileage. Ethanol is also hell on rubber, I drive a tanker and I can tell you the ethanol eats up my vapor recovery hose in the winter especially as the vapors and mostly ethanol are sucked back into the truck while I am unloading. Consider this, we import oil from  backwards countries usually run by some dictator that is opposite of the American way of life, that is bad. But and it is a big butt, We are increasingly importing food from the same types of countries, like China, we have all heard of the tainted peanut butter, dogfood and toothepaste. What would you rather import food or oil? On a political note, remember that Arnold's old lady is the niece of Ted "the swimmer" Kennedy, a hardcore left winger.
Tercin
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phils toys

while at carlisle in 2006 i was a mustang II and a Fairmont that were run on propane  they were in the burn out comp.
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osiyo59

What about propane? Down in Australia, Ford produces cars that wil run on both propane and gasoline (or gas and petro if in Aus). How hard would a conversion for that be. Just something else to think about.
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Pintopowers

Yeah i voted for Arnold too...... Only because he was the lesser of 2 evils. and Mc lintock was too far behind,  Didnt want Bustamonte  to win..

Gas just went to $3.30 here...... $3.25 yesterday Now with that oilspill in SF its gonna get  worse. :evil:

Makes me wanna errect a still in my backyard...

Steve

Pintosopher

 Hi Again,
Well , if the classic car lobbying groups can't get through to these meatheads in D.C. , we will wind up in a museum class of ownership. There is no logical reason to have ethanol period. But I'm ashamed to say, that I did actually Vote for the Idiot Schwartzenegger Who Is now suing the US Govt , on fuel economy  environmental standards for 2009 and beyond cars. But then he was posing as a fiscal conservative, not a left wing greenie, and he backed out of our state financial quagmire and overspent again. My Bad , again proving that a man with no principals is no leader of the people.
Check out the web site;  aircar.com The people of India may have this available by next year. Although I will take my explosive Pinto in a wreck compared to a major accident with highly compressed air in a on-board tank!
But then ,I'll walk before I own a Prius too :o
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

BlueGoldPinto

This is ridiculus. Soon enough all stations will be ethonal and were does that leave us? Where does that leave people that can't afford(or don't want) a new car? I might as well as convert to diesel and make it run on veggie oil. There has got to be a better way. In fact, I was brainstorming a while back after the first gas hike and the thought came to mind about a vehicle powered on compressed air. It turns out tha this is a feasible idea-Caterpillar is already usng compressed air for some of their HD construction backhoes. If you think about it, all you would need is a air compressor in place of the gas tank, A modified engine head with a holding chamber per cylinder with enough compressed air to push down the cylinder, and some high-compression one way valves.....probably a lot of tinkering, but you get the idea. Not only would this eliminate the need for spark plugs, but for internal combustion all together. Downside is that you probably would'nt have wonderful battery life, and horsepower would probably be slightly sacrificed......who knows- it's a thought.
BGP
My theory on the Gas Tank of the Ford Pinto:
If it ain't fixed, don't break it!! :)

Pintosopher

Well Howdy all!
I just can't resist the topic here. The prices for gasoline are absurd, and it has nothing to do with environmental ( and I do emphasize "mental") savings . If any of you recall the good old ( :read:"Clean air act of 1990) and the games they played on us with Oxygenates (MTBE and the like ) you'll know that the refineries had to reconfigure every fall and spring to change "Blends". Now we have ethanol and the same lunacy applies today, only now China expects to surpass our consumption of fuel ( now it took us over 90 years to get to our current usage!) in 4 Years! It's no wonder we are getting gouged at the pump . The Oil barons are getting their way, now that the IT bubble burst, so they need to fuel their  investment logic and reward mechanism.
The reality is that we are down to being put into museums as collector car owners, eventually our rides won't affordably run on the Swill that they make available. Yes, you'll need that EFI conversion and soon. In 1994 , I called  TWM induction to price out a IR ( Weber replacement) Throttle bodies and plumbing with wiring and controller system. They nearly died from laughter when I told them it was a 2.0L pinto, and told me over $4K. All for a car that was sold for less than 3 grand new!
Fast forward to today, Asian kits are readily available for Honda,Toyota, Mazda, and people spend the money! If you want science and conscience, you'll be forced to upgrade.
If you wish to enjoy your ride as it was built, there aren't many options for fuel. I wonder if Nascar's use of the Racing unleaded will buy us carbureted drivers an option , but are you willing to go for $6 a gallon fuel at 108 octane?
 Final note : I have a full page ad from the San Francisco Chronicle from the 1990's posted by Unocal . It says: We can make a motor fuel that will meet the Federal Clean air standards without the use of any Oxygenates. But we can't offer it because of the mandate for oxygenated Fuel in the letter of the law!
Sounds like a Corn Subsidy to me!

My Two horseshoes worth...

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

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osiyo59

Thanks BGP. Anyone else want to add to the conversation? With Oil over 90.00 a barrel now even us 4 cylinder guys are going to have to start thinking about alterative fuels to keep our cars on the road. I'm going to build my motor for my 59 Ranchero as an E85 or straight alcohal motor. I want to have my Pinto able to burn E85 and/or Gasoline. I believe as a group we have a voice to get aftermarket companie to develope the parts we need. Just my 2 cents.
1966 Mercury M100 Custom Cab 5.8L EFI/AOD
1973 Pinto Wagon Daily driver (For Sale in Classifieds)
1973 Pinto Squire 2.0EFI/Turbo

"Man is not FREE unless Government is LIMITED!" - President Ronald Reagan

BlueGoldPinto

Rob, here are some links I found that you might want to check out. The first one you'll have to scroll down until you find the heading "the Pinto that guzzled alcohol and water" or something similar to that, the second article is more of an FYI, and the third is an actual kit you can buy to convert your car, although I could not find any information on price or availability. Hope this helps!

http://www.mchenrycountyblog.com/2006_04_01_mchenrycountyblog_archive.html
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t449473.html
http://www.abcesso.com/

BGP :) :)
My theory on the Gas Tank of the Ford Pinto:
If it ain't fixed, don't break it!! :)

osiyo59

I know I saw something arou nd here about useing E85 in our Pintos But just don't know where. So here is the question: How can we convert our carbs or EFI engines over to a multi-fuel engine. Have them set up to burn both gasoline and E85 fuels? Anyone have any thoughts?

Rob ???
1966 Mercury M100 Custom Cab 5.8L EFI/AOD
1973 Pinto Wagon Daily driver (For Sale in Classifieds)
1973 Pinto Squire 2.0EFI/Turbo

"Man is not FREE unless Government is LIMITED!" - President Ronald Reagan