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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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chrisf1219

hey alberto that reminds me of when i first got my pinto and was doing the front disc brakes.the drivers side went on in 10 mintues but the pass side took what seems like a hour and a half  :surprised:.that why my wife knows not to ask when ill be done working on the pinto. see you next week. my wagon ready to go :fastcar:   chris
77 wagon auto 2.3  wagons are the best and who knew I like flames on a pinto!!!!

Pintopower

Soooo....Damn it. Well, the clutch that I wanted to do to my truck on monday became= Brakes, brake lines, calipers, wheel cyl., master cyl, brake booster, clutch master cyl, clutch slave cyl, inner shift boot, outer shift boot, center support bearing, rear main seal, 3 u-joints, front end bushings, and the list is still going. So, through out all the MANY problems we had doing this, I still HAVE NOT put the damn clutch in the truck! It took 6 hours to remove the last bolt on the bell housing. Someone, possibly superman, was the last person to put it in! We used a 6" steel pole and removed the hood to get the thing out! So, I will be pushing the trip back a week. As proof of this, I have attached a picture of my friend after we broke the bolt loose. I hope this works out for you all! I appologize for this but, S--- happens.
Alberto
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Pintopower

Hey Guys!
I will be heading up to Vacaville on the 19th of this month (Friday) until the 21st. If you guys want to meet up one day, email or call me:

pintopower@hotmail.com
626-221-7681

Hope to see you all

Alberto
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Pintopower

That would be awesome Joe! As of right now I have no idea when that would be. I am going up there to pick up a pinto for a friend, so I will not have one of mine. As soon as I figure out when that will be I will tell you.
Alberto
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

redmustangman3

Hi Alberto: Would like to meet up with you next month. Do you have an approximate date yet? We'll try to get Mike, Chris, and your cousin together also- that would be really cool. Joe
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

Pintopower

Chrisf1219 - Come to think of it, it would be nice to see your wagon and YOU there. Sorry, the cars are great but they are nothing with out the owners!
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Pintopower

Hey guys, It was great to see all of you had a fine time at the show. I wished I could have attended but that weekend was nuts for me! I am glad my cousin (pintozeal) and her dad met all of you! She said you guys were great and made them feel right at home! She is really excited about getting her car together and I have no doubt she will be there next year! I hope to be there as well! I will be in the area in the next month, who wants to go grab a bite? Email me! Pintopower@hotmail.com or call at 626-221-7681.

Chrisf1219 - I hope you will be availible for the West Coast meet this year, love to see you wagon there!

Mike and Joe - Sorry I missed out - Keep all of us posted with future shows, you better belive the if time allows, I'll be there!
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

chrisf1219

thanks joe for getting the picture up  on site. im ready to go when ever we can hook up again.more people need to show what city and state they are from to get more people to come.  thanks again chrisf1219
77 wagon auto 2.3  wagons are the best and who knew I like flames on a pinto!!!!

redmustangman3

Joe and his 71 V8 Pinto. Fran attended this year and enjoyed the show.
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

redmustangman3

Emily with her Dad. It's great to see the younger generation so excited about our great little Ponys.
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

redmustangman3

1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

redmustangman3

1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

redmustangman3

Ford Fun Sunday was a great show as usual. Hundreds of Fords of all shapes and sizes from the early 1900's to new Roush Mustangs, and 3 Pintos. Mike (mpintotoo) was there with his super clean 72 Boss Pinto; Joe (redmustangman3) was there with his 71 V8 Pinto; and newcomer Chris Freitas was there with his 77 Pinto wagon. We were pleasantly surprised when Emily (pintozeal76) attended the show with her Dad and hung out with us. We had a super time talking about Pintos and cars in general. The Pintos generated lots of interest from previous owners and were enjoyed by the large crowd. Emily's Pinto is without engine at present but she promised us she would be there next year ( OK dad, let's get with the program !!). I will post pictures following this message. Joe & Fran
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

Pintopower

Hey guys! Sorry I could not attend the show. I was exhausted from the show in san pedro, then I had to go to a friends birthday party where I met my sister (sirhugh) making margaritas. Well....that did me in for the night. My Cousin (pintozeal76) told me she and my Uncle met all of you there.

As for my cousin...Thanks alot Emily! I didnt know pintozeal76 was you! Like I needed more help looking like an idiot! HA! Hope you had fun at the show and you and your dad better come to the Knotts Berry Farm show this year! All of you from Nor-Cal can do a pinto convoy! We will call it the "Fire Cracker" drive!
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

PintoZeal76

(PintoPower) - haha, ya! I've seen both the 75 and 76 driving around vaca.. and at this very moment, they're both taking up space in my driveway.

;D


redmustangman3

(Pintopower) Alberto: That would be great if you could make it to the show. I live 2 hours south of the show . If you need a place to stay on the way south let me know; I live directly off of 101  and have plenty of room. Regards, Joe Hendrickson in Morgan Hill
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

chrisf1219

go to funfordsunday.com for the details.no cars after 11 am. but hope you can make it.  chrisf1219
77 wagon auto 2.3  wagons are the best and who knew I like flames on a pinto!!!!

Pintopower

hey guys! I MIGHT be able to make it that day. I have a show on the 8th in San Pedro, but my Uncle and cousin and their 2 pintos are in Vacaville too!

Pintozeal76 - Your in Vacaville too? Ever see a Yellow 75 or a Blue 76 running around? Thats my Cousin! They will be at the show, the 75 might not make it because its getting anb engine!

I hope to see you guys there but it will be a CRAZY weekend for me! Is there same day regestration?
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

redmustangman3

Hi Pintozeal76: Even if you don't get your car together, hope you attend the show. There are now 3 Pintos coming for sure. Joe in Morgan Hill
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

chrisf1219

hi pintozeal76 lets hope you get your engine in time for the show.it would be good to see alot pintos in one place.illbe bringing my 77 wagon. hope to see you there!  chrisf1219
77 wagon auto 2.3  wagons are the best and who knew I like flames on a pinto!!!!

PintoZeal76

Hey! I'm in Vacaville which is only about 30 minutes away from Vallejo.  I'll try to make it!  Assuming I have the engine in my 75' by then. ~crosses fingers~ . Been doing a full overhaul on it ever since I picked it up four months ago.

chrisf1219

hey joe and any orther pinto owners in ca. lets make it to the show and have more then two cars show up.i have gone to orther shows and been the only pinto at any show.it would be good just to see three pintos or more at one time.so lets get hte cars together and make it up there.  chris f  :fastcar:
77 wagon auto 2.3  wagons are the best and who knew I like flames on a pinto!!!!

redmustangman3

Chris: I tried to get the Pinto guys together in the past and got zero (0) interest. The best bet at this time would be for you to go to Fun Ford Sunday on Sept. 9th. I've been in contact with a couple of other NorCal Pinto owners off line and I'm trying to get them to go also ??? Joe
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

chrisf1219

hi joe i know where morgan hill is, what do you think about meeting somewhere with the rest of the orther guys pintos.can you work something out. iwork nights so sundays are better for me but can do sat. if thats what will work. i wish everybody would put their loc down so you can see if anybody lives anywhere close to you.i think a meeting with that many pintos would be great.  ceres is in the central valley area next to modesto. maybe we could meet some where thats not too far for anybody to get there.  thanks  chris f
77 wagon auto 2.3  wagons are the best and who knew I like flames on a pinto!!!!

redmustangman3

Chris: There is no class for Pintos, probably because typically only 2 show up !!! Enter class 28- all other Fords. I know of 10 or so other Pintos in No. Cal. You guys need to get out and show off your cars. Joe 
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

chrisf1219

hi joe thanks for the info.what class are you guys entered in? there never is a pinto class or anything close.i saw station wagon class but you guys dont have one.good thing i have a rare ac in my wagon. thanks for any more info.  chris f
77 wagon auto 2.3  wagons are the best and who knew I like flames on a pinto!!!!

redmustangman3

Hi Chris: I will be attending this show along with Mike and his green Boss Pinto. It is called Fun Ford Sunday and it is held at the Solano County Fairgrounds- across from Six Flags Discovery Kingdom. The date is Sept. 9th, 2007 from 10:00 am to 3:00 pm. Pre-entries must be postmarked on or before Sept.6th. Website is www.funfordsunday.com. Entry fee is $20.00 pre-register or $30.00 day of show. If you like cool Fords, this is the show for you. Hope to see you there. Joe in Morgan Hill
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

chrisf1219

hi i live in ceres ca. not too far from Vallejo  i have a 77 wagon .do you know any times or any other info? thanks chris f  reg email is                        chrisfreitas1219@sbcglobal.net
77 wagon auto 2.3  wagons are the best and who knew I like flames on a pinto!!!!

Pintony

Hello I recieved this info from Mike with the Green Boss Pinto.

  Car show for fords here in the sf bay area its the all ford show at solano county fairgrounds in vallejo ca  on the 9 of sept.

Please bring your Pinto if you have the time.
Only 2 Pintos have attended this show the last 2 years.

From Pintony