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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Pintony

Quote from: Farmboy on October 16, 2007, 10:32:06 PM
  I went to the good guys show in Puyallup, Wa. this summer, it was the same thing. The funny thing was the guys selling hat with differ'nt cars on them said that the pinto was about the last thing he would keep in stock, "why would you wanna fix up and drive a pinto anyway" were his word,   I just smiled and walked away. ;D

I would have said well I guess you jused missed out on a sale with that attitude

From Pintony

Farmboy

Quote from: popbumper on October 16, 2007, 09:51:52 PM
There's an interesting thing about being in the "out crowd". I recently attended a "Good guys" car show at the Texas Motor Speedway, where there were THOUSANDS of collector cars. A buddy of mine and I went and walked for seven hours - and did not see everything.

At the end of it all, I was overwhelmed by the vast majority of 55-57 Chevies, 60's Chevelles, 60's Camaros, and MoPar products. Do I think these are cool? Sure - but my friend put it best: "After you have seen fifty '57 Chevies, does the 51st one matter"?

A resounding NO - what stood out in my mind from that visit was the '57 Safari wagon; the '66 Rambler convertible; the '67 Comet, the '72 Maverick, the 1951 C51 truck, and a countless host of other "oddities" that were, well, neat to see. There were, of course, NO Pintos there...and I gotta tell you, I REALLY want to change that....I would be proud to be seen in a really cherry example....

Chris
I went to the good guys show in Puyallup, Wa. this summer, it was the same thing. The funny thing was the guys selling hat with differ'nt cars on them said that the pinto was about the last thing he would keep in stock, "why would you wanna fix up and drive a pinto anyway" were his word,   I just smiled and walked away. ;D
  I do what the voices in my Pinto tell me to do




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71 Runabout (parts car)

popbumper

There's an interesting thing about being in the "out crowd". I recently attended a "Good guys" car show at the Texas Motor Speedway, where there were THOUSANDS of collector cars. A buddy of mine and I went and walked for seven hours - and did not see everything.

At the end of it all, I was overwhelmed by the vast majority of 55-57 Chevies, 60's Chevelles, 60's Camaros, and MoPar products. Do I think these are cool? Sure - but my friend put it best: "After you have seen fifty '57 Chevies, does the 51st one matter"?

A resounding NO - what stood out in my mind from that visit was the '57 Safari wagon; the '66 Rambler convertible; the '67 Comet, the '72 Maverick, the 1951 C51 truck, and a countless host of other "oddities" that were, well, neat to see. There were, of course, NO Pintos there...and I gotta tell you, I REALLY want to change that....I would be proud to be seen in a really cherry example....

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dholvrsn

Do Studebakers count as rare cars? Or just oddball ones?
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
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'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

High_Horse

Mason66,
    I hope you get that wagon too Thanks for the input.

                                                                                                       High_Horse

Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Mason66

Like many of you a Pinto was my first car.  It was a '72 1.6 sedan. 

I am partial to the rarest of the rare cars.  For example a 1962 Chrysler New Yorker wagon.  Parts were just not available even back in the 80s.

I have had many of the rare cars from the 60s but I did bow to pressure to conform in the 90s and bought a 1967 Cougar.  I bought it because I could buy just about everything from a catalog.  No more looking for parts.  I lost interest in the car when I needed the one part I couldn't get in the catalog, at the time.  A front fender.  It ended up in the storage yard never to be put back together.

Pintos are a simple car, and were sold to be such, and they were cheap which is why most of us had them.

There are no more $200.00 cars anywhere.

I hope all of you enjoy your Pintos and I hope to have a nice Cruising Wagon soon, with AC of course.

Ponygal

Quote from: Pintony on October 10, 2007, 09:38:08 PM
:welcome: Ponygal

Hope U get UR Pinto tomorrow...
LUK how it goes...... ::)
From Pintony

Thanks Pintony!

It turned out to be a good one, so I picked it up! I'll post some pics in the picture forum :)
'77 Sedan "Gladys"
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Cookieboystoys

isn't that cute... gotta feed it to the High Horse...

I wanna see mouse stuffing coming out the tailpipe  :evil:

;D
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

High_Horse

Na.....It is a mouse.

                                                                                         High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: High_Horse on October 11, 2007, 08:59:33 AM
I did not sit by the car I sat back and watched.

...and by the way.....I got a stuffed animal!!!!!

                                                                                             High_Horse

I like to do the same thing... stand back and watch the reactions.

and...

was it a High Horse! stuffed animal?
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

High_Horse

I took ThunderPinto to an all Ford show in the park last Sunday, there were allot of nice Fords. There was only one Pinto. I did not sit by the car I sat back and watched.
Not many passed it by. There is another show this weekend (weather pemitting) I have got to remember the camera.
Oh...and by the way.....I got a stuffed animal!!!!!

                                                                                             High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

fomogo

"Hey... is that one of those cars that blow up?!"


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Quote from: Smeed on October 10, 2007, 09:58:58 PM
...Im sure something like a pacer or a gremlin would get the same attention the pintos do.

Don't worry, poeple will point at your Pinto and say "Look! A Gremlin!" or "Hey, a Pacer!"

Bill
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Smeed

I knew these cars were cool but I had no idea they got so much attention. My mom and her friends, growing up in the 70s, have all been very surprised to say the least when they hear that I plan to get one of these little cars... I like it that way :)

I do have to agree with what was said about the camaros, mustangs and all of those cars. They are nice cars, most definitely. But its refreshing to see something different once in a while. Im sure something like a pacer or a gremlin would get the same attention the pintos do.

'73 runabout

Pintony

 :welcome: Ponygal

Hope U get UR Pinto tomorrow...
LUK how it goes...... ::)
From Pintony

Ponygal

I am new to this forum, and don't own a Pinto... yet :) I have been trying to decide whether to replace my '95 Mazda B2300 with a newer VW Jetta, or find a Pinto (which is something I have wanted for quite some time). I think this post basically says what I have been thinking all along. Why blend in?
I can get nearly the same gas mileage as my little truck, but in a WAY cooler car. I have been a Mustang fanatic for a very long time, and although one day I'm certain I'll finally find that perfect '67 to restore, part of me would love to drive to work in something so ugly, it's cool.

I'm looking at a '77 tomorrow :D

My fiance has owned many old, and ugly cars. He has a real penchant for large lumbering beasts from the 70's and older. We once owned a snot green '76 Torino wagon, sans beaver panel. It was an awesome car, hideous, and rediculously loud with it's 400cid. We also owned a '66 Chrysler Windsor, a '78 Mercury Zephyr (which has now been converted to an ice race car and has a paint scheme a la Starsky & Hutch) an '88 Lincoln Mark 7 (got LOTS of looks with that thing) an '81 Toyota Celica and 2 T-birds, an '83 and an '85. He currently drives a '94 Crown Vic, but he is looking into getting back into something older... such as a '77-'80 T-bird. When I suggested a Pinto for myself his eyes lit up and he has already busted out all the Haynes manuals.

People don't understand the brotherhood within the car community. The folks who aren't afraid to roll down the window beside you and ask about your car, or boldly walk up and ask if it's for sale LOL

I love that part of standing out of the crowd, and can't wait to get back into that.
'77 Sedan "Gladys"
2.3L auto - swapping to T-5 2009
Dark brown, saddle interior
Supertrapp, Grant wheel, more mods on the way...

1975 pinto

I love it! Last week I was driving along side a late 90's Dodge Viper and got more looks than it did. I also had a truck in front of me and the passanger hung out the window to give me a thumbs up.
6 miles south of Dayton, Oh

caravan3921

fyi, forgot to say that our Pinto is a '78, completely original, 26,700 miles. Solid body, interior perfect, original warning sticker on dash, sunroof, runs great.  Bought it on ebay about 2 years ago and had it shipped from Pennsylvania.

caravan3921

Hi All!
Have really enjoyed reading all of your posts.  Our experience this past weekend at the Back to the 50's annual classic auto show in St. Paul., MN has really confirmed everything that everybody has said on this site. We were cruising Snelling Avenue with the typical restored classic cars, but it was only our little blue pinto that was drawing thunderous applause, hoots and hollars, wide grins, shouts of "Pinto!" thumbs up, people taking pictures as well as video shots, holding up placards with the number "10" on them, etc., etc.  It blew us away! What a blast we had!

But perhaps the BEST part is this: our 20-yr. daughter has always disliked the pinto and thinks that it's stupid that we own one...I think it's the typical reaction of offspring to something that her parents own; no other parents of her friends own a pinto etc, sort of thing.  Well, she went with us cruising in the Pinto at the car show and now she thinks very differently about our little blue pinto!  She has new-found respect for it and was utterly amazed at how much people appreciate seeing a Pinto and how enthusiastic people are about this little car!  She even asked to take the Pinto the next day to go back (just her and a friend) and cruise again.  Needless to say, we all have even greater respect for this car after the experience of this past weekend.  She told us that as she was driving it back home on Sunday, a guy driving a big truck hung out his window and shouted, "I love your car!!"  I asked her if she told him it belonged to her parents, and she said no, she just said "Thank you."  I guess now she sort of likes it that people think it belongs to her, huh?!


78squirewagon

1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

phils toys

Quote from: srt on June 12, 2007, 03:02:03 AM
when i went to the knott's show this year to meet some of you guys and your Pintos;  there was one thing VERY evident as i walked into the show grounds looking for 30 Pintos all in a row. 

Countless Mustangs that all looked alike.  That definately could not be said about the show-within-a-show that your Pintos put on.  The thing that drew me in was the fact that there were 30 INDIVIDUAL-DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT cars on display in that row of vintage Ford Masterpieces
we had the same results in Carlisle with our 13 Pintos and 1 Bobcat
That is how we ended up with our wagon.We wanted someting  you do not see at every show
1 Wagon 
2 Mercury Bobcat
3 "Woody"
With all the shows and cruse ins we have gone to  80% of the time we are the only wagon. 95% of the time the only woody and  100% of the time the only Mercury Bobcat. We are always mistaken for a Pinto  but that is ok because of the great stories of how everyone had one and has not seen one in years. so our desire to be different  has been a compleat sucess. We look forward to promoting the "everyday family car" Pinto for a long time.
Phils toys
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

FlyerPinto

Hairball,

I'm having a blast with it; I took it to the Strawberry Festival Car Show and it got tons of attention. I'm driving it today because my truck is being serviced and I'll be going by the Ford dealer with it. They haven't seen one of these in years! When you get yours rolling we should go to one of the regular Cruise-Ins around here and form a Pinto "Corral".  People won't know what to think!
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

Srt

when i went to the knott's show this year to meet some of you guys and your Pintos;  there was one thing VERY evident as i walked into the show grounds looking for 30 Pintos all in a row. 

Countless Mustangs that all looked alike.  That definately could not be said about the show-within-a-show that your Pintos put on.  The thing that drew me in was the fact that there were 30 INDIVIDUAL-DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT cars on display in that row of vintage Ford Masterpieces
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

BroncoOrPinto

I think a lot of people really just follow the flow of popularity of a model or group of cars and a lot of them are very normal and plain cars.Today in one of the most popular cars to ''customize'' is the Honda Civic and its import brothers(nothing against said imports just a good example to me),why I have no idea but they are popular right now and i've seen some horrific attempts to garner attention on these cars be it bright neon lights, loud exhaust, multicolored body kits, and wild paint jobs.And i've seen a few nice looking cars done somewhat right and they had a nice look to them but the cars were of the same models my neighbors drive back and worth to work daily.Same can be said the the SUV's with 24 inch rims and a half pick up load of chrome, are they not the same model of vehicle mothers drive there 1st grade children to school?And though not to the same extent I'm sick of seeing the 32 Ford Coupe,69 Camaro, or even the 69 Mustang;there is just way to many of them at shows to stand out!Though I wouldn't object to owning any of the before mentioned cars I'm sick of seeing the same thing over and over.Maybe thats what drew me to the shunned Pinto,one of the uncoolest cars in history(as far as my generation is concerned).I want something that I can take to a car show and have the only one of and not just because it has a different array of options.I want to stand of from the rest of the Esclades,Eclipses,Camaros,Mustangs, and any other car you see more than 10 on a daily commute to the grocery store.Thats my desire to stand out anyway.A primer Pinto with a screamin' 2.0 and another one that looks just like it with a monstrous 302!Sounds like a winner to me.

Man that feels better,what a rant!
1990 Bronco Limited slip rearend,soon to receive a 351 transplant.
-boned out of two pintos sadly-
*New* 1985 Cougar, 4 speed AOD.

Srt

Quote from: High_Horse on May 28, 2007, 09:20:44 AM
ThunderPinto is my third wagon. My previous was a 78 cruising wagon and it was my work car and my work horse. I rebuilt that engine and ported the heads while I was at it...drove that car 20 miles to work and 20 back every day. Did my side jobs with that car.
Stopped by a cop one day doing 92 in a 55. Never though about how that looked....A Pinto sitting there with a cop car getting a speeding ticket. They knew cause I passed them all.
I guess my point is I feel good in my Pinto. If that makes me different I say Ha!!!

                                                       High_Horse
i had just put in a new set of plugs , points etc on my '71 one morning at work.  took it out for a drive on the freeway to get into the groove.  after about 5 or 6 miles i pulled off to get a cup of coffee.  the place where i re-entered the freeway(7th street onto the 60 freeway headed east n the los angeles area) is a REAL long onramp.  i got into it and exited the ramp at about 90.  kept my foot in it for about another 1/4 mile when i noticed some lashing red about a 1/2 mile back.  this was like 6am and i KNEW it was the CHP so i pulled over.  the guys came up and asked theusual questions and then noticed the fact that i was driving a PINTO.  they couldn't believe i was going so fast. (6000 in 4th-3:55 rear gear, turbo) and still pulling away from them

it was worth it

the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

crazyhorse

No to jump on the bandwagon, but I fully intend to Restify my Pinto. Funny thing is I'm not going super flashy. I'm going to fix te rust, and repaint it the same faded brown, just a solid tone :). I'll add some black stripes & call it good. It'll be nice, but not "arrest me" nice. Remember, my Pinto is my daily driver, so I just want a nice car.
How to tell when a redneck's time is up: He combines these two sentences... Hey man, hold my beer. Hey y'all watch this!
'74 Runabout, stock 2300,auto  RIP Darlin.
'95 Olds Gutless "POS"
'97 Subaru Legacy wagon "Kat"

Hairball

FlyerPinto
I am so glad that you are enjoying the Pinto! I hope to have mine running again next week. I can't wait to bust out in my CW.
Dave

Nice green 1977 cruising wagon wanted

High_Horse

ThunderPinto is my third wagon. My previous was a 78 cruising wagon and it was my work car and my work horse. I rebuilt that engine and ported the heads while I was at it...drove that car 20 miles to work and 20 back every day. Did my side jobs with that car.
Stopped by a cop one day doing 92 in a 55. Never though about how that looked....A Pinto sitting there with a cop car getting a speeding ticket. They knew cause I passed them all.
I guess my point is I feel good in my Pinto. If that makes me different I say Ha!!!

                                                       High_Horse

Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Pintony

Yes! Nothing beats showing up in a 1500.00 Pinto and getting more props than the 30,000.00 car sitting on either side.
From Pintony

oldcarpierre

Given that they built millions of these cars, the thing about Pintos is that everyone in their forties and up either owned one, or had one in their family.  They were rust buckets, and the fuel tank issue made them the Edsel of the seventies.  Because they were rusty and "laughable", they were not deemed worth saving and ended up crushed.

Fast forward 20+ years, there are so few left that all these people that either owned one or had one in their family are the ones that will notice them and come and talk to you.

I have had many old cars, much nicer and fancier than the Pinto.  None has ever drawn one quarter of the attention that Stupinto (my wife named her) can gather.  My favorite place is Ford dealerships.  People come out running.

Oh yeah, by the way, I would not be ashamed to drive around in a nice Edsel either.  My dream Edsel is a 1960 (rare) station wagon (very rare).
1974 Medium Lime Yellow Pinto Sedan
14000 Miles - Unrestored Original in the garage
2013 Ford Taurus out in the rain