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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Pinto -OR- Merkur XR4ti ??????

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Srt

"If I don't drop the clutch off the line, the rear end should take the V6 or turbo 4." 
It will probably do fine if you follow your own thinking.

" The Pinto solid rear axle with the short wheel base really STEPS OUT when hitting a slight bump on a curve."

For the weight that the rear suspension is handling; yes the rear is sprung a bit stiff.   The rear leafs can be dearched and have a few of the leaves removed but only if the remaining leaves are re-tempered. This will give you a much more flexible rear suspension BUT it needs to countered at the front by the use of a  more aggressive anti-swaybar/coil spring combo.

any time you lower the car especially at the rear. you need to pay attention to pinion angle too.  draw an imaginary line longitudinally through both rear spring eyes forward until it hits the ground.  if the point at which this line hits the ground is ahead of the front "axle" then the car will tend to push.  if this line hits the ground behind the front "axle" the car will tend to be loose.  a lot depends on your driving style and/or the type of track at which the car will be used.


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turbowagonman

Quote from: turbowagonman on April 26, 2007, 05:33:09 PM
I had to re-pin the Pinto Wiring harness to relocate the "Trigger Wires" for Key On Engine Off, KOEO (for the ECU, relays and so on) and Key On Engine Running, KOER, for some more of the stuff in the ECU!

turbowagonman

I just got done doing some Shrink Tubing on the harness I going to sell, The wires I had to put the Shrink Tubing on were the "Pins" in the Plug that works with the Pinto Harness. Anyway there is only Four wires to hook that harness to the Pinto Harness, I do have an '86' Merkur Electrical Manual (photo copy's at least) So before I list it on ebay I'll do some research to see what the wires are and make note of it how they plug into the Pinto Harness. When I did both of my 2.3T swaps I ran a stand-alone Relay for my Fuel Pump and had a Thermal Switch on my Radiator with it's own relay also. The reason being was, I din't have to dive into the Merkur Harness that deep!

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turbowagonman

I had to re-pin the Pinto Wiring harness to relocate the "Trigger Wires" for Key On Engine Off, KOEO (for the ECU, relays and so on) and Key On Engine Running, KOER, for some more of the stuff in the ECU! I cant remember exactally what wires went were, because it was Three years ago. When I got into my second Project Pinto I was scraping the First One so I just transfered both of the harnesses (under Dash & Engine compartment). It was just easier than trying to rack my brain to try to remember what wires went where. Besides I knew the wiring was right the way I had it hooked up. The Plug and Un-Plug thing is just neater looking than doing all kinds of Solderless Connectors/Soldier Joints.

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77turbopinto

And this connects what to what??

Bill
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'74-80 is absolutely identical under the skin, mechanically anyways. There are, of course, minor differences in the skin, trim, wiring, and emissions. But essentially they are the same car.
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Starliner

Thanks for all the great comments & information.   

My thinking has changed a lot based on your comments.  I now think I would like to build a 79-80 lowered Pinto with either the 2.3 turbo or a late model V6.  The supporting aftermarket and parts interchangeability with Mustang is better for post 74 as pointed out.  I like the idea of just buying lowered spindles, disc brakes, and finding rear rear axles, etc.   I think the looks has more room for customization than the Merkur.  Different is good in the car world!   

My last question for the group.  Is the 79 & 80 Pinto front suspension the same as the 74-78?  I know the Mustangs changed in 79.   
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77turbopinto

I did two turbo swaps with an 86 T/C harness, and I know of others that used the Merkur one, but I have never heard about a Merkur harness female plug that connects into a Pinto harness male plug end.

Which plug on the Pinto harness is this?

QuoteBy turbowagonman
...The 87-88 TC's have the better Intake and the Large VAM. Were as the Merk and the early TC's have the Small VAM and In-Line Intake...

The VAM size only matters that you use it with the ECU that is designed for. Same with injectors and an I/C; they need to all match for best performance and durability.

There are 3 different intakes, they all flow about the same, but the 87/88 upper is the shortest. If it is used, it needs the valve cover from that year too.

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turbowagonman

Quote from: 77turbopinto on March 23, 2007, 10:26:59 PM
Aren't all the Pinto tranny mounts the same?

Please give details on the harness.

Bill

What I am about to post here is just MY OPINION, I believe the Tranny mounts are all the same which is the reason you can switch the Cross Member around to put the slots more to the front of the car or to the rear! Like I said this is just my opinion, I have no concrete evidence to support this except for a tape measure and some time under my '80' Wagon swaping it in either direction. I had to modify the mount by removing the rubber bushing in between the Stud side that goes into the Cross Member and the Side that actually bolts to the tranny. I just bolted it together so in a sense it is "Solid" mount because there is no rubber bushing to absorb the vibrations. It really doen't really make the car's "Plush Ride" any worse.

As for the Wiring harness, the only thing I had to do was repin some of my Pinto harness to turn on the Sensors, computer relays and so on. I have a Wiring and Vacuum Diagram for an '86' Merkur XR4Ti which is acutally just a Photocopy out of a Repair manual, which I got the copys from GT350R (off of turboford.com) a close freind from my childhood. I also ran seperate relays for my Fuel Pump and Coolling Fan, which I got from J.C. Whitney (Deralie 14" pusher or puller). I just picked up another '86' Merkur today that I am going to part out thios weekend. I bought this car just for the T-3 Turbo and the Valve Cover so I am going to be selling everything else that will work for a Turbo Swap into any car Motor, Computer, Harness, Tranny and so on. The Merkur harness works well due to it being a totally seperate harness all together from the rest of the car. That is why it is such a desireable harness to do the swap into a Pinto.

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Quote from: turbowagonman on March 23, 2007, 07:27:24 PM
...Motor and Tranny Mounts are the same, that is if you buy a Pinto 4 spd, and are using a 4cyl Mustang T-5 tranny...

...my Merkur harness had the female plug end of the Pinto's male plug end. So all I had to do is repin a few of the wires in the Pinto harness...

Aren't all the Pinto tranny mounts the same?

Please give details on the harness.

Bill
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crazyhorse

Quote from: turbowagonman on March 23, 2007, 07:27:24 PM
Before you make a concrete conclusion look at turbopinto.com and turboford.net. Do some research and then make your decision. No matter what you decide just remember one thing, this is YOUR car so do what YOU want!

Just my 2¢!

turbowagonman

AMEN turbowagonman... I think I may have come off against the Merkur... which I'm not. They are unique lil cars.
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turbowagonman

If you have a line on a Merkur, buy it. If you have a line on a Pinto, buy it. The motor out of a Merkur is the same motor as the earlier Turbo Coupes, T-3 Turbo. The Merkur has a better Valve cover also IMO. The only down side to the Merk motor is it has the In-Line Intake. The 87-88 TC's have the better Intake and the Large VAM. Were as the Merk and the early TC's have the Small VAM and In-Line Intake. I've done the Turbo 4cyl swap Two times and it is easy. Motor and Tranny Mounts are the same, that is if you buy a Pinto 4 spd, and are using a 4cyl Mustang T-5 tranny. From reading the post so far, I am assuming (I hate to do that) you are going with a T-5. Not to mention the Merkur will have a Non-Intercooled Computer in it so you dont have to get that right away, well untill you get the LA3 or LB3 computer (87-88 TC) Stick or Auto (respectfully).

I have done the swap to 2 / 80 Pinto Wagons and my Merkur harness had the female plug end of the Pinto's male plug end. So all I had to do is repin a few of the wires in the Pinto harness. Plus one more good thing is there are so many people out here who have done the Turbo Pinto, for questions you have alot of people out here who have done it before so you can ask people of there opinion to see exactally how you want to do stuff before you spend the money to buy the wrong part/parts or time installing the wrong part/parts.

Before you make a concrete conclusion look at turbopinto.com and turboford.net. Do some research and then make your decision. No matter what you decide just remember one thing, this is YOUR car so do what YOU want!

Just my 2¢!

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The '74 up shares components with the MustangII, giving you a wide selection of aftermarket parts. Any Pinto can be converted to 71-73 looks. You'll find it easier to install the 2.3 into the '74 up as the radiator mount was modified for the larger engine. If I were doing it, I'd go with a '74 up chassis, a Fox body Mustang 8.8 posi axle.(It's exactly 1" wider) a 4,or maybe 6 point cage. An 88 T-bird Turbo engine with a Merkur wiring harness, and a t-5 trans. Remeber, that the Merkur rear is a strut type, that would require building strut mounts Where there are none. A live axle car, even with a short wheelbase, can be made to handle quite well. After all Pintos were used VERY successfully as road race cars in the '70s. Just remember that the almost square footprint of the Pinto makes it eager to change direction. Instability is the hallmark of manouverability. Just ask your local Fighter Pilot! This instabiity makes the Pinto a handful at the dragstrip too, just ask the V8 guys!
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Starliner

What do you think about putting an XR4ti independent rear suspension under the Pinto?  If I don't drop the clutch off the line, the rear end should take the V6 or turbo 4.  The Pinto solid rear axle with the short wheel base really STEPS OUT when hitting a slight bump on a curve. 

OK, so if I go with the turbo 4, I guess I would be better off finding a T-bird engine & T5 trans than the Merk.  Yes?     

NEXT QUESTION....If I go with using a Pinto, Turbo 4, T5 trans, and Merkur rear suspension.   WHAT YEAR PINTO?  I like the 71-73 for weight and looks.  What year has the best front suspension?  Are drop spindles available? 
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crazyhorse

I agree a Turbo Pinto is a tough competitor. They're capable of embarrasing V8's in the stoplight grand prix, and keeping up with all but the MOST hardcore street cars in the twisties. All with what amount to subtle mods, using junkyard parts.

The 4.0 V6 from a late mustang is a good thought too. Several have pondered the supercharged 3.8 from the T-bird SC as well.
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Srt

i agree with fomogo.  it's sweeter when they say. "what do you have under the hood?"  and then you show 'em.

they usually can't believe it
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fomogo

The Merkurs are unique little cars... and some cosworth sierra body parts make a WORLD of differance in how they look.
They have 4 wheel independant suspension but the transmission and read diff are not the strongest in the world.
A pinto can be made to handle VERY well... for what it is.
I think the new mustang V6 is still an iron block.
If it were me... the solution would be easy.
Take a pinto and the engine out of the Merk... slap on a well thought out suspension... and shock people on the back roads and track days.
Pass them in a pinto with the traditional pinto 4 banger.  :evil:


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Starliner

Next year I want to start a project car after my kid gets out of college.  (no money now!)    My goal is to make something great in the twisties.    At the same time make it for high speed touring with reasonable mileage for traveling.   Maybe some autocross too!     

My problem...The XR4ti has the suspension system front & rear to meet my requirements, but I am not fond of the looks.  A lowered Pinto would really look better and be different, but the suspension, brakes, etc leave a lot to be desired.     

I was thinking of transplanting an aluminum V6 in either vehicle choice.   Setting it back as far as possible.    Stick shift preferred.   Maybe a V6 from a crashed 2007 Mustang. 

GIVE ME YOUR THOUGHTS & IDEAS    Thanks in advance. 
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