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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Cookieboystoys

Well.... took it into the shop for a professionals opinion and he thinks it might be just the intake leaking oil.

I have to order the gasket kit and he will get it in the shop to see what's up in a couple weeks

the place I took it to does auto repair and auto body restore...

we put the pinto up on the hoist and gave it a look.... he was impressed, very solid.

only problem found with the suspension was front wheel bearings need repack/replace

He said if I find a replacement passenger quarter (the rest he can fix) and he'll do the body and paint for $2000

Hmmmmm.... told him engine came first, have to know what this oil leak is first.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

talked to a few people I know here in town and all agreed... re-torque = waste of time.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

fast34

Re-torquing will not help you in this case. Sorry!! :sorry:

Cookieboystoys

Today it was suggested to me that perhaps I could just re-toque the head bolts since I get no smoke from the exhaust and no oil seems to be getting into the radiator. Must admit I thought of this too... but only to buy myself some time, not as a solution.

Decided it was time to do the compression test I had been putting off...

Started the motor to warm it up and almost instantly could see the oil running down the motor. I warmed it up and took it for a 3+ mile ride to warm it up. Removed all plugs and proceeded to test the compression. For testing purposes I'll # the cyls from 1 to 4 starting at the rear and moving to the front of the motor. I started on #4 and did them in order to the rear of the motor. I seem to be getting 140 on all cyls, hard to tell for sure as starter is starting to fail and to get the engine to turn over 10 times without pause is almost impossible. Was able to get it to turn over good for the first 2 I tested but couldn't get it to turn over more than 5 times without pause on the last 2. Engine was warm for the test and gas pedal was to the floor for each cyl. On cyls 3 and 4 I just kept retrying the starter until I felt engine had cranked enough to get full buildup. Also took pictures before I started it up - while running - and after compression test and more fresh oil was coming from the head gasket... just runs down the block and would guess it wouldn't take long to leak a quart of oil.

Hmmmm... not sure what to do at this point. Replacing the head gasket seems the smart thing to do but could buy myself some time and re-toque the head bolts.

what-to-do... what-to-do... what do you all think???
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Auto Value had the "Lisle" brand and part # 60750 matched so I bought em' for $15.01

both 10mm and 12mm 12 point were included so I should have the head bolt tool

the set also included the 6mm and 8mm 12 point bits and 6mm is to small and 8mm is to big for the belt tensioner.

so went back and we looked for a 7mm 12 point with no success either in stock or something to be ordered

then we tried to see if SAE sizes might work and looks like 15/32 might work but they only had in 8 point and not 12 point

then went to Napa and the young kid was working and getting ready to close so I'll check on Monday when the full timers are there

Does ANYBODY know where to get or what to get for the belt tensioner.... this has been impossible to locate
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

grgic

carquest has them
12 point triple square internal wrench bit. part #STL 60750.
they come in a set of 4 for $17.00 you will need the 10mm one.
other shops may be able to cross that number.
that set is made by carquest corp. lakewood Co. 80228
Joe


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Cookieboystoys

I know about the belt tensioner tool... had to find one... 12 point star. I Borrowed from a local repair shop.

are you saying that the same tool works on the head bolts too?

if it does I know where to borrow one... maybe

But, Auto Value may have this tool... saw a similar one this morning just have to check size for correct fit. If it's the correct one I'm buying it  ;D
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

goodolboydws

Sorry, should have said sometimes swedged into a 3/8" or larger drive socket base. Mine are the loose style and fit in a 12mm/7/16" 6-pt. socket.

goodolboydws

The head bolt tool is a spline drive bit, sort of like a Torx, but with 12 (twice as many) "points". The timing tensioner used the same type of bit. In simplest form it looks like a short, cut off piece of an Allen wrench, sometimes it comes swedged into a 3/8" ratchet drive base.

I've only got 2 in my rollaround and I haven't used either of them in years, so it's got to be either a 10mm or 12mm.

P.S. If they don't know what the head bolt tool looks like from your description of the bolt head,  I'd be looking for a different auto parts store about now. I see difficulties with them ahead.

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: jgpinto72 on September 21, 2006, 09:21:52 PM
The tool for the 2.0 head bolts is available @ Carquest and NAPA maybe even advanced.
Joe

Joe, can you give me more info/picture on the tool for the head bolts... The guys at the auto parts store are ??????? and need more info.

putting my list of parts needed together  :)
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

I saw snow last sat night/sun morn when I let the dog in at 2:30 am and I think you are right.... looks to be a bad winter
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Crash_AF

Don't feel bad, you could be facing this already... LOL

http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=80915

I have a feeling that it's going to be a nasty winter if it's snowing this early...

Later,
Joe

Cookieboystoys

Thanks for all the offers of help and encouragement. It does look to be an easy thing to do even for me but can't help but be nervious. Things like this never seem to be as easy as they should be and I just don't have the time for a nightmare right now. I work 6 days a week, have a kid and way to much stuff that needs to be done before the snow flies. As it is now it is to cold and rainy on most days for big projects outside and am only seeing 1 out of 4 days w/good weather.

That being said.... I have someone in mind that "may" be willing to do this and possibly let me help. If not I will most likely tackle it myself as I would really like to, just wish that I had more time and good weather.

and if you are wondering this is the weather I'm up against - click the link

http://www.wunderground.com/US/MN/Hibbing.html?bannertypeclick=miniWeather2
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

fast34

His is actually a 2.0.  Remember, you have all of us here to help if you run into trouble.  If you can turn a wrench, you should be able to do this for about $50 total,(including oil change coolant, v/c gasket,ect.) and in around a couple hours time.  it'll be worth it.

77turbopinto

The head gaskets are very easy on the n/a 2.3. The only thing is they are HEAVY; I am sure you can do it. If you were nearby, I would give you a hand.

Bill
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Cookieboystoys

I know the head gasket job shouldn't be to difficult but I have no experience doing that sort of thing and with my luck something will not go right and it will drag into weeks... I would really like to do it myself but need someone with experience to help ensure it's done correctly.

I know the head was redone for unleaded gas but unsure when. I am also concerned about a cracked block and I wouldn't know how to tell.

I'm trying to keep the cost of getting it running good to a minimum due to the body having some major rust issues. I have got 1 quick quote on the body restore of appox $2000 from a body guy who did a quick walk around and still need to get together with him to do a more detailed inspection.

I just do not want the cost to get away from me... I really like my little pinto but really do not want it to become a money pit as I have the 77 Wagon that is really my restore project. This one is just for fun and driving and to get me some experience before I tackle the wagon. With what I paid, the money spent getting it running, the things left to fix or replace, interior work and the body work I was in the $4000 price range to get it all done and cherry looking. now this....
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

earthquake

73 sedan parts car,80 crusin wagon conversion,76 F 250 460 SCJ,74 Ranchero 4x4,88 mustang lx convertable,and the readheaded step child 86 uhhh Chevy 4x4(Sorry guys it was cheap)

grgic

Cookieboy
If I were you I would get a friend to help and the 2 of you could knock it out in a couple hours.
when i do mine sometimes I leave the intake and carb on the head and just unbolt the exhaust manifold from the head. if the car is running good I wouldnt see any need to send the head out or anything. if you lived close i would be glad to help you with it but MN is a bit far.
Joe

Cookieboystoys

that's what I think too, didn't want to say it but durn this sux. finally got it running good and now this.

I think I remember why I gave this stuff up 10 years ago.

I was so close to beating the snow... now might as well park it for the winter. we're already seeing lows of 30-40 at night (I did see snow flakes at 2:30am Sunday morning) and highs of 60 during the day. the rain and clouds have moved in and this little project has already cost me valuable time this last 2 months with all the other things I had to do before the snow. I just wish it would have done this sooner before I put all that time into it.

the only other option I have is to pay someone to do it for me... just didn't want to spend the money on this little pinto as I set a budget which I'm close to and this will put me over. I also wanted to do this myself but now with this... I'm out of time.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

grgic

Can you say "Head gasket" >:(
Not a bad job at all, I get mine from advanced auto parts for about $20.00
The tool for the 2.0 head bolts is available @ Carquest and NAPA maybe even advanced.
Joe

Cookieboystoys

was putting the new radiator in my 73 tonight and noticed a puddle of oil under the car...

looked like lots of fresh oil on the motor under the carb and intake so I used engine cleaner and washed it off. Took it for a ride to bake/dry it off then I took this pic. I didn't see any oil coming from the valve cover gasket just here....

please tell me this isn't what it looks like... I don't want to say it for fear of being true  :(
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!