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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

My New Pinto

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Cookieboystoys

Just thought I should post this... I'm killing off this thread (I will not be posting in it anymore) and have moved into the "Your Project" area under the following topic and web url

Topic: 73 Pinto Runabout Project

http://www.fordpinto.com/smf/index.php/topic,6247.0.html
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Re: Hope you enjoyed the "RIDE" in the Purple Pinto! 

all I can say is Wheeeeeee!! that was fun  ;D

That is one nice ride.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Pintony

Hey Brian,
Was great getting to meet you and Kevin.
Glad it was a safe one...

Hope you enjoyed the "RIDE" in the Purple Pinto! ;D ;D

Thank you for posting the photo.
That is one for the wall of fame in my shop IF I ever get round to making it nice.
From Pintony

Cookieboystoys

Sure, I'll send one to your email too.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Pintony

Hey Brian,
Post the photo of us in fron of the P.P when you get a chance.
I should have taken more photos of our outing...
From Pintony

Cookieboystoys

Hey Tony, I missed your post. Didn't see any Pinto's or Cortina's at the lot. Wow! they had a lot of cars there. Some cool one's too. You were right though... prices seemed way to high for most of it. My favorite had to be the little VW I saw there... can't help it, it was sooooo cute  :cheesy_p:

I got back to Hibbing about 4 this afternoon and tired isn't the word for it. I brought my suitcase in but the rest is still in the van. a little over 1500 miles in 2 days but it was worth it. Got lots of good parts, good advice and it was a pleasure meeting you. I really enjoyed seeing your cars getting the chance to chat in person.

Now! it's time to get really serious about my little project, this is gonna be fun and can't wait to see how it turns out  ;D
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Pintony

Hey Brian,
Happy to hear that you have made a safe trip.
I'll bet you and Kevin are pretty tired?
Was that Mustard Pinto at Country Classics?
Did you see anything good?
From Pintony

Cookieboystoys

Thanks,

I saw it, on my way home from Pintony's as I post this.

(Tony, made it to Waterloo, Iowa before we stopped)

My hat goes into the bidding ring when I get home  ;D
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

71hotrodpinto



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Cookieboystoys

How did you get the vinyl to stick... I remember seeing your post reguarding that. I might consider it, I think it would look good.

And believe me... what I'm doing is a lot of work, I sanded on the unfinished bigger piece for another 1.5 hours and still not finished. I think it will take another half hour of fine sanding to get it to match the finished piece. The hard part is getting the surface to not-look-sanded and have that shiny finished look. I don't think I really wanna tackle the side panels. With the amount of time required to sand the little panels I can only imagine how many more hours of sanding left to do the big ones.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

pintoman

The panels look great.I took all the panels out of my Rallye and covered them with a good quality vinyl. More work involved but looks great.
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78pinto

looking good!  I'm having my panels dyed.....hopefully they turn out good.
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Cookieboystoys

Time for an update... been to long.

I did find a quarter panel, and some used/resurfaced rotors for the 73 (Thanks Earthquake!) and now the car is at the body shop and waiting to get started. I've been trying to think of things to do while I wait so I put a heater in the garage and did some cleanup and reorganized for the winter.

I've been considering what to do with the interior plastic panels as they are in rough shape. Paint is always an option but.... well it's paint. So I decided to see what would happen if I sanded the panels. Started with the smaller rear parts and a lot of work sanding and they are looking much better... see pics. I'm calling the right side done at this point and not a lot to do to finish the left side. As the pics show they are going to look much better sanded. This was a lot of work and very time consuming... I might be able to cut down on some of the time involved now that I have some experience doing this. I took it slow to make sure I didn't screw it up... I was just testing to see if it was possible. I still have to consider the side panels and they are much larger and a lot more work... Paint would be quicker and easier but... again it's paint.

Plans for my little 73 have changed and we're stepping it up a notch with body and paint. Originally I told the body guy... let's just make it look OK... Now I have him thinking... let's do it up a little better than just basics. After the head gasket leak was found (see this thread http://www.fordpinto.com/smf/index.php?topic=5752.0) it was decided that while in for paint... Head will be pulled and while the motor is torn down engine compartment will be painted. They do full restores at the body shop I have it at and they can do the motor work too.

That's all for now... thought a little update was in store and here it is... till next time...
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

I'm not sure if they are the same... good question.

I was told they all were but without compairing/measuring I would have no idea.

Anyone out there know what quarter panels are useable on a 73??? Are they all the same as I was told???

Ford changed the design slightly for the 73 and the rotors on a 73 are different than 71 and 72 as well as 74 and up. 73 was the only year they used that particular rotor and only on the Pinto from what I have been told. Something to do with tie rod ends if I recall correctly. All other parts (pads and caliper) are the same 71 thru 73 just the rotors were different.

"If" your friend changed your front end over to a 72 then the rotors are of no use to you... may want to check w/your friend and see what he did. and if... he swapped front ends and the rotors have become useless to you... I know someone looking for a good used set  ;D
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

TIGGER

BTW, would a 1/4 panel off a 79 hatchback work for you?  I am buying a 79 Bobcat parts car tomorrow. I am pretty sure the 1/4's are rust free but I know there are some dents here and there as it was an older gentlemen that had this car.  However, I don't remember how dented they are as it has been a while since I have seen the car.  I compared my 80 parts car to my 73 and the 1/4 looks the same to me?  I plan on cutting the bottom off the 80 and saving it for my 73 as it now has a nice dent from someone from work >:(
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TIGGER

So what is the actual difference between the 71-73 rotors?  I kept the front brakes off my 73 parts car because everything looked new and I wanted spares.  However, when my friend installed the 2.3L Turbo in my 73, he swapped out the rack to a 71-72 style which yielded more clearance for the oil pan than the 73 rack did.  I am not sure how much more he swapped, I thought he said used the brakes off the 72 as well.  Anyway, I am just curious to know why 71-72 rotors will not work on a 73 and vice versa?

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Cookieboystoys

I too have found rotors for $120.00 + but if I could find some used ones all the better. I've been looking on Ebay but no luck there either. As far as the brakes goes the passenger rotor has nasty grooves but they work ok with only a little pull to the passenger side. I can live with this for now but at some point this needs to be addressed. As far as the front end goes it seems to handle ok and I only notice a slight vibration at 60+ mph so even that isn't a major concern but I want to have it looked at to see what's up.

I bought this one for a driver and I should just go back to the origional plan and do just what was necessary to get the Pinto road ready and not worry about body and paint. I have a 77 Crusing Wagon that I want to start the restore on next spring and if I do the 73 it has to be finished with major stuff by spring. If I don't save the body now on the 73.... it will be to far gone to consider repair later (+ I'm getting a great deal on body work and paint so now is the time.) However I still need! to find a rear passenger quarter to even consider the body at this point. If I can't find one... no body work or paint for the Pinto  :(
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

71hotrodpinto

 Hmm good plan about the paint. More power to yah!
About the rotors. They were thin new, good luck getting some good used ones but i hope you can. Last time i looked at some Raybestos rotors for the 71-73, they were over $120 a piece.  :what: :wow:
I got lucky and scored ($20) 1 NOS rotor off of ebay a while back and havnet seen any before that or since.
At over 240 for 2 its almost time to do a wilwood setup , But they dont have 4lug hubs, so then you have to change wheels.  :mad:
The 71-73 is the bastard child of the pinto line. Everything out there for the pinto suspension and brakes is geared for the 74-80. Check www.kragen.com and you should find some stuff there.


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Cookieboystoys

I have an appointment setup for Thursday morming to have the front end looked at. like you I'm thinking a rebuild is the smart thing to do but taking it to the professionals for their opinion.

one of the reasons for having the paint done first is that I have a head gasket leak and while the motor is torn down for that to be fixed he will be painting the engine compartment. might as well let him finish while he has it.

I need to find some used brake rotors from a 73 to have them resurfaced and the rest of the parts for the front end. I'll get it done before spring when I'll be able to drive the car again.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

71hotrodpinto

Hey awesome!!
BUT before you think about paint (IMO) you should attack the front suspention and brakes. That is if your trying to "save" money.
Id tear the whole suspension down. Replace all the bushings, Upper(4) lower(2) all the ball joints (4) the strut rod bushings, the rack, the tie rod ends,calipers,pads, brake lines,
Then take it down for an alignment.
Its not that hard to tear down  Just loosen the castle nuts a few turns on the ball joints (car in the air) and give a few good raps with a small 2lbs sledge hammer on the side of the spindle where they mount to the joints.
, Take the control arms to a shop and the'll replace the bushings for you and well as far as the ball joints thats the only hard part. They rivets need to be drilled out and then cold chisled off. Then use grade 8 bolts and nuts to hold the new joints on.
Snug assemble all the nuts and bolts then lower the car on the ground. Then tighten.
If youve kept the upper control arms close to the original spot then just drive it to the alingment shop and now you have a safe well handling car. If you have any more questions let me know. Ive done this twice and need to do it again LOL (ive put a few miles on my car since '89)
Just my .35 cents



95' 302,Forged Pistons,Polished rods
B303,1.7 Rockers,beehives
'68 port/polish heads                   
Coated Must II headers
Edelbrock Airgap
Holley570,Msd dist,CraneHI6
Mil

oldkayaker

Car is looking great.  On the front wheel slop, you might want to check the ball joints also.
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

Cookieboystoys

Well... been about 2 weeks since last update....

I still only have the 1 seat mounted... rain and cold weather kept me from putting in the other one. I decided it was time to put in the new Radiator I had as that could be done quick. Sure is looking good under the hood. Unfortunatly I found a surprise... leaking head gasket. Oil was running down the side of the motor. After a lot of questions and double checking... head gasket. No smoke out the tail pipe and from what I can tell no oil in the radiator so seems to be external leak for now but needs to be fixed.

Also... showed the Pinto to a local body guy and talked about restoring the body and paint. Put the Pinto up on the hoist and surprise... looks real good under there. We were all impressed. Then took a good look at the body panels and he told me I had to find a passenger quarter as it's to far gone. The rest he could fix but if I could find both quarters all the better. Cost for paint and body work is more than I really wanted to spend but we got to looking at some of the cars he had in the shop and the cost for thoes.... seems he is willing to do the body work and paint for the same as he is charging another customer to repaint their newer VW. The VW didn't need any body work just wanted to change the paint from yellow to green (I think). For some reason I'm getting a deal.... I think it's because of all the pinto stories from the 3 guys in the shop. The plan at this point it to locate a couple quarters and then the Pinto goes to the body guy at the end of October. First thing he will be doing is to pull the head off and find the source of the leak. I want to know why... warped, cracked or if the gasked just failed. While he has the motor torn down the engine compartment will get painted, new starter will be installed and head issues will be solved.

While it was up on the hoist we looked at the front end and it has issues with front suspension... tire slop. He thought replacing the bearings would do the trick. So parts were purchased and I thought I would do the bearings myself. After putting it up on stands and removing the tires I should also note that the rotor looks OK on the drivers side but passenger side looks bad. Pads look good both sides and I know it brakes OK but now know why it pulls a little to the passenger side when braking hard. Anyway, I pulled the old bearings out on the driver side and they looked good. Put the new ones in anyway, put the tire back on and... still a lot of movement. Bearings are not the problem, I should have looked myself when he had it on the hoist.  Tie rod looks a little sloppy to me but I'm not sure and think I'll take it in to the local tire shop and have them take a look. They do most of the front end repairs around here and think it's time for an expert opinion.

I'm going to stop on the interior for now... I'm still thinking about the color that I want for the Pinto and may end up changing colors in the interior to match. If I stick with red as it is now the brown interior can stay. But... I really want to change to green with black trim for the exterior. Red would be easier and cheeper and if I go to green and black the interior will be changed adding more cost and time. still trying to decide.

I have a few weeks before it will go to the body guy and I need to get it back to the carb guy. Choke isn't working right and it's a little hard to start, once warmed up it runs great. We talked and he's just waiting for me to drop it off. Also gonna have the front end looked over to decide on what needs to be done there.  I'm willing to do the mechanical work myself (front end) but I don't have a heated garage with the space required to do the work. Winters are just to cold up here to consider heating it. I will save money if I let the mechanics do the work vs. cost to heat.

I want to start working on the 77 Wagon next summer so getting this one road ready and painted will have to be done this winter.



It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

more stuff done this weekend...

Drove out to break into my 76 mustang parts car that I lost the keys for. It's been appox 7 or 8 years since I've been inside that car, was surprised at what I saw. Everthing was dirty but no smell of mildew that I could tell. That surprised me as it's sitting way back in the woods, sunk to it's belly in a swampy area. Seats and such are still in good condition. I wanted to see if the seats would work in my 73 Pinto, I need new seats. I would have to figure out how to jack it up so I could "break" the bolts from under the car. I could use them but really do not want to break up the set.

While I was there I stole some parts... took the visors, deluxe dome light w/map light, hurst shifter knob and the center counsel between the seats.

Plan 2 for seats... a mechanic here in town has a 72 Pinto in his own personal junk yard. It's smashed up bad and one of the doors is off of it. Motor is about 20 paces away sinking into the cold hard ground. Seats in it were the high back buckets and I had seen that the covering's were bad but didn't know the foam was shot and they were "cut" from the car so no mounts left. Unfortunatly unuseable. But it has perfect visors and dome light as well as a set of rear springs in the back seat. Most if not all of the Chrome Ponys, Pinto, Runabout and FORD was still in good shape and I'll go back for that. I also want the visors and the rear springs I'll keep in the back of my mind if needed later.

Plan 3 for seats... I had "impulse" bought a set of racing style seats I had seen sitting on the side of the road cheap. Think I paid $50 or $80 for the set and they looked brand new. They are uncomfortable as "beep" and been looking for something to do with them ever since, was gonna put em' in the El Camino but it's gone now. So I pulled the drivers seat in the 73 to see if they would work... look at the first picture and you'll see I just set it in to check the fit, didn't look to bad so it was time to go for it.

A trip to the hardware store and several hours later... I got the center counsel cleaned up and in place and the drivers seat mounted. Had to remove the center tray and mounting bracket to fit the counsel in, not a perfect fit but close enough. Took me quite a while to fit the seat in, never done this before so tried to be careful. I spent most of my time trying to get the seat in the proper position front to back. I like to sit close to the steering anyway but wanted to be sure the seat would still slide back for someone with longer legs. I only got the drivers mounted today cause I took my time. I think I can get the other one mounted in less that 2 hours, expecting rain for the next couple days so we'll see when I'll have time to finish.

All-in-all I'm happy with the results but durn them seats are uncomfortable.

Gotta Find Me Some Origional Highback Pinto Buckets!!!

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

I'm getting there Joe, still lots to do.

as promised... pictures of the doors. I painted them up the same time I did the roof.

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

joecool85

Wow, coming right along huh?  Good job.
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Cookieboystoys

well.... I said interior is next and while waiting for the distributor I got started on it.

Here is a before and after picture of the roof. Headliner had been pulled before I bought the car and I was getting tired of "stuff" dropping down on me from above. I sanded the insulation from the roof, primed it and the painted it with some of that textured spray paint. Figured since I have no plans of putting the headliner back in I figured the textured paint would cover up the rough spots and it does a nice job of it too. Looks better in person than it does in the picture, the flash on the camera really brings out the streaks from the paint and you can't see them with normal light.

I'll post some before and after pics of the doors when I get pictures of them now that they are done and back together.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

my three nights are up and.... back on the road without mouse smell  ;D

heat chamber removed and clean, new heater hoses installed, more parts cleaned and painted, new timing belt installed, and new radiator hoses.

I wanted to install the new radiator I have but there is a problem w/the drain and couldn't fix in time  :(

after finding... the special ford tool... to loosen the belt tensioner all went well and just got back from a short drive  ;D

interior is next  8)
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

OK.... now that I have it running good enough to drive.... Time to deal with the mouse smell.

Last night I removed the heating chamber from under the dash and with it came the heater core and blower motor...

Took that all apart and was packed with mouse bedding that smelled of turds and piss.... yuck!

washed it all out with brushes, comet and hot water and could still smell the mouse treasures...

so soaked the whole unit in lemon scented pine sol overnight and rinsed off this morning... mouse smell seems to be gone now.

I'll have to check again for mouse smell when I get home... if the pine sol didn't work then I'm considering painting the inside of the heat chamber.

I also had to as part of the removal drain the radiator coolant so might as well put in the new thermostat and radiator...

Also see a few more parts to paint and little more cleanup of the engine compartment is in order...

If all goes well I should have 3 nights (after work) into doing this and then I can start on the interior...

wish me luck....
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Thanks  ;D

the Anchor Mounts show a left and right part #'s

w/1 year limited warranty for $10.48 a set

the Pioneer Prods lists right and left in one Part #

w/Lifetime warranty for $8.59 and lists as "solid"

which is better ??? and why ???
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

71hotrodpinto

Heres the engine mounts. Kragen or Parts America for dirt cheap. Probably not going to find the good ones anymore like from moog etc.


http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductList.aspx?parttype=27&ptset=A&searchfor=Mount%2c+Engine


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