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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Cookieboystoys

Hey Tigger.. what can be used to replace the seal on a runabout hatchback? any ideas?
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

TIGGER

Quote from: phoenix on August 30, 2006, 01:35:50 PM
I have a 72 pinto station wagon that i'm fixing up...i tried looking up autokrafters.com, but it keeps moving me back to www.simbaweb.com maybe i'm spelling it wrong?  Anyways, i'm looking for weatherstripping for the rear hatch, if anybody knows of anything, please let me know @ ricecracker420@gmail.com

Supposedly the doorseals from a mid 80's to early 90's Ranger or Bronco II will work on the wagon rear hatch.  You need to purchase it new from Ford due to the fact one it is installed on the truck, it is too short.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

78pinto

I just ordered a set (backordered of course) he says he will have some in 2 weeks. 
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phoenix

I have a 72 pinto station wagon that i'm fixing up...i tried looking up autokrafters.com, but it keeps moving me back to www.simbaweb.com maybe i'm spelling it wrong?  Anyways, i'm looking for weatherstripping for the rear hatch, if anybody knows of anything, please let me know @ ricecracker420@gmail.com

DragonWagon

Thanks for the update 68cyclone! Glad to hear that they seem to be fine.  :drunk:

And add the factory sunroof seal to 71hotrodpinto's wanted list. I have a '79 hatchback that I'll eventually get around to resurrecting.
1976 mpg Wagon. The start of it all.
1977 Cruising Wagon, to be turboed.
1979 glass hatchback. No motor atm.
1980 wagon parts car.

68cyclone

HEY PINTO NUTS:

I FINALLY GOT TIME TO INSTALL THE (1) PAIR OF DOOR SEALS THAT AK SENT ME.

THEY FIT FINE EXCEPT THEY AR JUST ABOUT 1" TO LONG FOR A SEDAN(WHICH MEANS THEY WILL MOST LIKELY FIT A WAGON FINE).

THE ONLY TRICK IS THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE HOLES FOR THE PINS.

THEY DO WORK;  WE HAVE HAD LOTS OF RAIN IN OHIO AND MY SON(FINTO) REPORTS NO LEAKS!!!!

HOPE EVERYONE GETS THE SEALS THEY ORDERED.

SEE YA,
68CYCLONE

71hotrodpinto

When i talked with the "sales guy" he mentioned that they had 15 orders for them . I hope that the demand will go up. Then we can hopefully get other things like rear window gaskets, rear station wagon hatch seals, and door runs. I think that the major stumbling block besides rust is the lack of seals to repair the leaking ones that weve had for 20 years on our Pintos.
On a side note Recently, the only set of NOS door seals on ebay went for near $600 for the pair! :surprised: I bid "high" at $175  only to be smoked off in the final bidding. Now im glad i didnt win!


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turbopinto72

Don't give up, you guys are great. I hope they fit well and we have a vendor we are happy with.
Brad F
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71hotrodpinto

Well I contacted Autokrafters and they told me that they expect shippment on July 5th.... Man its been a long wait. The last time i had some new ones on was brand new in the box back in 1985. Hell i didnt even drive yet! But that car was washed and waxed every week. Man that was a ways back!!


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Coated Must II headers
Edelbrock Airgap
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Mil

wagonmaster

The weatherstrips for the sedan/hatchback and the wagon are the same. Ford just "stretched" the weatherstrip a little for the wagon. That's why you'll sometimes see old weatherstrips on the wagons where the extruded portion has partially or completely separated from the upper rear molded corner piece. If anyone has received one of these, do they look like they have a molded corner piece bonded to the extruded portion, like original, or is it all a one piece molded or extruded piece?
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Cookieboystoys

I ordered a set too for my 77 wagon... was told 2 to 3 weeks back order.

Has anyone received a set and tried them out yet???

I was asked where I learned of them and told the sales person www.fordpinto.com

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

71hotrodpinto

Quote from: 68cyclone on June 16, 2006, 06:45:05 AM
HEY GROUP:

AFTER READING ABOUT THE DOOR SEALS YESTERDAY AM, I ORDERED 2 PAIR.

THEY ARE ON BACK ORDER.  WHICH LEADS ME TO BELEIVE THAT MAYBE AUTOKRAFTERS IS TESTING THE WATER TO SEE WHAT KIND OF INTEREST IS OUT THERE.

SO ALL YOU PINTO NUTS PLACE YOUR ORDERS;  OR AT LEAST GIVE AUTOKRAFTERS A CALL AND INQUIRE ABOUT THE DOOR SEALS.

SEE YA,
MIKE"68CYCLONE"BURTON


Well placed my order, They had better come through. To just tease us with the idea that they "may" be available.
Ok now all i need is a new rear window seal. Mines a bit dry and leaking. Once I took out the rear window to do a headliner and it never sealed right again. :(
Lets hope they get them soon.


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B303,1.7 Rockers,beehives
'68 port/polish heads                   
Coated Must II headers
Edelbrock Airgap
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imhoppy

OK i ordered a set as well.If they are crappy we'll all go down with the ship. :'(

DragonWagon

I don't know for sure that the gaskets for sedan/wagon are interchangeable, but it's worth the gamble. They gotta be close, and anything is better than the rotted mess that's on there now!

Just placed the order for a set. Also ordered their window beltliner's since I couldn't find the ones that had been listed on ebay.

Keepin my fingers crossed.
1976 mpg Wagon. The start of it all.
1977 Cruising Wagon, to be turboed.
1979 glass hatchback. No motor atm.
1980 wagon parts car.

TIGGER

 :what:I took some good used door seals from my hatchback parts car and put them on my 79 wagon with no problems.  They should interchange just fine 8)
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73 Turbo HB
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77turbopinto

Quote from: 68cyclone on June 20, 2006, 06:34:04 AM
HEY GANG:

I WAS COMPARING A SEDAN DOOR AND A WAGON DOOR SAT.;  COULDN'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCE. 

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?

68CYCLONE



The rear top edge of the window frame is taller on the wagon doors; On the non-wagons the rear top edge slopes down to match the roof line where the wagon roof goes straight back. The glass and the window frame are different, as well as any "chrome" trim, but the rest of it is the same. I don't know about the weatherstrip though.

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77pintocw

Hey 68CYCLONE:

According to my 1977-80 Pinto parts list the weatherstrip around the door is the same for the Sedan, Runabout, Station Wagon and Squire Wagon.  Not sure why AK indicates it doesn't fit wagons.  I plan on ordering a set.

Thanks!

77pintocw
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68cyclone

HEY GANG:

I RECEIVED ONE OF THE TWO PAIR OF DOOR SEALS I ORDERED FROM A/K, THE OTHER WAS BACK ORDERED.

HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO TRY IT YET, MAYBE THIS WEEKEND.

LOOKS GOOD BUT THERE ARE NO PIN HOLES.
I'LL LET YOU KNOW HOW IT WORKS AS SOON AS I CAN.

I WAS COMPARING A SEDAN DOOR AND A WAGON DOOR SAT.;  COULDN'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCE. 

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?

68CYCLONE


imhoppy

Hey dragon,
Do you know something about the seals that i don't?  I emailed autokrafters asking about the door rubber.They replied that it wont fit the wagon????
I cant tell if it fits for sure or not just going by what they said.
Do you know for sure that they are the same .
If so please post and ill order one right away.
Mike

DragonWagon

1976 mpg Wagon. The start of it all.
1977 Cruising Wagon, to be turboed.
1979 glass hatchback. No motor atm.
1980 wagon parts car.

postalpony

HEY MIKE

I ORDERED 2 SETS/PAIRS?, GOT BACK E-MAIL THAT THEY ARE B/O.

WELL WE HAVE SHOWN THAT THERE IS A MARKET OUT THERE, SO THE BALL IS IN THEIR COURT, MAYBE WE ALL WILL GET WHAT WE NEED.  :text_yb_asap:


                                  POSTALPONY
1980 Hatchback was a "Postal Unit" on the
west coast in it's early life. Now residing
in Ohio, But we don't haul the U.S. Mail anymore;
Now all we do is HAUL!
5th gear 4700 rpm & still pullin'= 113+  mph

UPDATE-83.762 mph in 4th gear As verified by a W Va State Trooper-WITH 1 GEAR TO GO 6-2-11

imhoppy

I wrote them a email and just so everbody is clear they don't fit a wagon.I'm not sure where to get the proper ones.I ordered something close in profile from J.C..But now that i received it
I'm not so sure it will work out.

68cyclone


HEY GROUP:

AFTER READING ABOUT THE DOOR SEALS YESTERDAY AM, I ORDERED 2 PAIR.

THEY ARE ON BACK ORDER.  WHICH LEADS ME TO BELEIVE THAT MAYBE AUTOKRAFTERS IS TESTING THE WATER TO SEE WHAT KIND OF INTEREST IS OUT THERE.

SO ALL YOU PINTO NUTS PLACE YOUR ORDERS;  OR AT LEAST GIVE AUTOKRAFTERS A CALL AND INQUIRE ABOUT THE DOOR SEALS.

SEE YA,
MIKE"68CYCLONE"BURTON

DragonWagon

Nice find HotRod, might have to take the $100 gamble! I notice that they also have the door beltlines for the roll-up windows, and the windshield and back glass seals. No hatch seal for the wagon though  :(

1976 mpg Wagon. The start of it all.
1977 Cruising Wagon, to be turboed.
1979 glass hatchback. No motor atm.
1980 wagon parts car.

postalpony

HELLO PINTO NUTS
ALONG THE SAME ROUTE OF WEATHERSTRIPPING, I JUST RECIEVED CATALOG #711B-06 FROM J.C. WHITNEY 0N PAGE #77 IN LOWER RIGHT CORNER YOU WILL FIND "UNIVERSAL DOOR, TRUNK & HATCH WEATHERSTRIPPING, PART#KM819909 @$18.99 EACH. I RECENTLY BOUGHT THIS ITEM FOR MY 1980 HATCHBACK. LET ME TELL YOU THAT THIS IS A GREAT BARGIN, IT FIT GREAT & HAD ABOUT 4'' TO SPARE. SEVERAL MEMBERS SAW IT AT CARLISLE ON "POSTAL PONY" & WERE IMPRESSED WITH THE QUALITY & FIT.
I HOPE THIS WILL HELP EVERYONE WHO NEEDS ONE.

                                   TALK AT YA LATER DICK MATHIAS
1980 Hatchback was a "Postal Unit" on the
west coast in it's early life. Now residing
in Ohio, But we don't haul the U.S. Mail anymore;
Now all we do is HAUL!
5th gear 4700 rpm & still pullin'= 113+  mph

UPDATE-83.762 mph in 4th gear As verified by a W Va State Trooper-WITH 1 GEAR TO GO 6-2-11

turbopinto72

HotRod, Please let us know how they fit and what your opinion of them is.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

TIGGER

If you do get a set, please post feedback.  I installed some nice originals in my 79 wagon a while back so I am good to go for a while but my 73 will need some in the near future.
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78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

71hotrodpinto

Auto krafters seems to have DOOR weather stripping for the 2 dr pintos now. $100 a pair????
wow.
I'm up for a set immediately!!!
anyone else??


95' 302,Forged Pistons,Polished rods
B303,1.7 Rockers,beehives
'68 port/polish heads                   
Coated Must II headers
Edelbrock Airgap
Holley570,Msd dist,CraneHI6
Mil