Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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CHEAPRACER

A Pinto, Turbo Coupe, and some kind of car model with good wheels & tires would make for an interesting combination.
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

78squirewagon

Gotta get them to include the Squire option as well. Now with the models out, I will not have to cut up a die-cast ( 1/24th scale on clearence for 2.oo at Walmart) to get the parts I need to build my wagon
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

dirt track demon

Man, just when i thought it was safe to go back into walmart.  These motormax people really want my paychecks.

  I wanta model car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5 of em, hell 500  i have so many ideas. now i wont be able to sleep at night again.  im going to have to build a new shelf just for the pinto toys ive got.  the cats all hate me since i picked up the remote control one.  Oh well.  I can find new cats anywhere, but the pinto stuff is hard to find. :D


We need to start sending motormax letters every week demanding a station wagon version. and suggest that the wagon version of the model comes with optional cruising wagon accessories.

  My brain just locked up for 5 minutes.  "lowered version, 4x4 version, street rod version, stock version, tubbed version, etc etc."  someone hit me over the head   make it stop  make it stop.
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

phils toys

more pictures   the gray one is listed as customize your self. the parts picture is not that great but i hope you get the idea.
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

phils toys

check out the new model kit also expect to see a larger RC they had the pacer and gremlin in 1/32 scale RC  for about $50. the model kit was $10 see pictures
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

k_harvic_29

I bought one of those "F.C." Pintos from Wal-Mart. I was initially interested in this "One Bad Ride" 64scale CHEVROLET S10 4X4 Heavy Duty, but as if some kind of force drew me in... as Madden would say... "BOOM!", there was these 64scale Pintos staring me right in the face, almost to say "Buy me". I wembled over the S10 or the Pinto for a few, and ultimately bought the Pinto. And now seeing you guys talkin` 'bout them, I feel I have to buy a few more. I DO really want to find the 24scale Pintos. I also want to find any replicas of the AMC Pacer. My grandmother had one and aside the transmission going out, I loved that car too. The "Bubbletop" cab forward design, the giant doors (My grandmother's favorite feature as well)... and so on. It was white with a graphics of a rose on the bonnet (Hood)...

Anyway, back on topic here, I think I will round up some more of those toy Pintos.


P.S. My first ever car I owned was a 1975 Ford Pinto. It was so rusted that every time I slammed the doors shut, parts of the bodywork fell off. But I loved that car more than life itself.
"If you believe you can, therefore, you can."

"Effort beats practice every time."

Panhandle Sam

Quote from: CraftyCreations on July 05, 2006, 06:35:08 PM
ok..
I went to 2 walmart stores today and NO PINTO CARS!
WAHHH!!! :what:

I want one to put in my car...
If anyone is willing to pick me up one I can paypal or send a money order....

I have a 74 blue Pinto but any ole toy pinto will do!   

i just happen to have ONE Blue 1/65 Pinto for sale ;D


Please don't IM me on yahoo messenger.

warhead2

now if thay will come out with n 77 cruzin wagon ill be happy ;D

CraftyCreations

ok..
I went to 2 walmart stores today and NO PINTO CARS!
WAHHH!!! :what:

I want one to put in my car...
If anyone is willing to pick me up one I can paypal or send a money order....

I have a 74 blue Pinto but any ole toy pinto will do!   ;D

I love my " Ford Blue " 1974 Runabout

Panhandle Sam

Update: We have 6 Walmart stores here and they are all stocked full to the brim with racks and racks of the 1/64 scale pinto's in most every color. There's also a few 1/24 scale models but only available  in red w/ white top. NO RC cars at all.
If anyone in USA is interested just drop me a line and I'll work with you on this.
Please don't IM me on yahoo messenger.

Mason66

Hey guys, I am in Mexico and my Walmart doesn't have any of these Fresh Cherries cars.  If any of you are willing to send them to Mexico I would appreciate it.  I can pay with Paypal if you have an account with them.  Please let me know at mason@fat2.net .

Thanks

fast34

Anyone else wanting a RC Pinto let me know as my Walmart has several in the red and black colors.

krazi

I picked up a johnny lightning pinto the other day. I also picked up the pacers and gremlins in three colors each. I have yet to find other colors for the pintos and mustang II's

krazi
yeah, I'm Krazi!

Jinxter

Seems that may be a feature, not a bug.  Both of mine are upside down as well!
Beat it to fit, paint it to match...

Jinxter

Just picked up a couple of the 1:64 JL's the other day.  May go back to see if they've restocked.  Gold seems to be the only color...
Beat it to fit, paint it to match...

dirt track demon

I finally got my R/C Pinto!!!!!! :fastcar:
I gave 25 bucks for it at the carlisle show, I figured the xtra five was worth me not having to run around every walmart in the area hoping to finally find one.
I ran a set of batteries dead already chasing the cat around the house. :devil:
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

Tercin

There are a couple of R/C Pintos at my local WM if someone needs one I will help out. I just want the price I pay plus shipping.

Tercin
The only Pinto I have
73 Sports Accent
Rust free California Car

Panhandle Sam

Well, I must give yall a report:
There is NO Remote control Pinto's to be found in any Walmart in the entire Texas panhandle (which , I know is bigger than most states..LOL!) Each Walmart I walked out of, I was like... :ih8u: :mad: :nocool:
But...there are ALOT of the 1/24 scale cars, at least 10 in each store I've been in. ALL are red w/ white top. I bought ONE, sold it, now going to buy more. If any one else is interested just drop me a line here or at: lilbluechevyluv4x4@yahoo.com, thats my main email address.
I will slightly over charge what Wally wants for these cars because I do have to wrap the box in paper pay the shipping costs and....
That gold called gasoline.... :nocool:
to get to the P.O. and back, ya know.
:drunk:
Please don't IM me on yahoo messenger.

dirt track demon

well I havent had any luck yet, glad you found one.  Im going to try my luck while im in carlisle at the show this weekend.  Hit the local wally worlds down there.
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

gawdzuki

Well, I got mine today.. Was hoping to find a wagon, but I guess they don't exist. I will be using mine as an inspiration to keep working on mine. I know I have not posted in a while. But with building a house and working on my other projects it has been hard. Here are a couple pictures

r4pinto

Just got my rc car from wally world. Boy what fun it is. By mistake I ran it off the sidewalk & flipped it, but I don't care. I just bought it for the fun of it.

By the way... Any Ohio people... The Wal Mart located on East Waterloo in Canal Winchester is full of the die cast & rc cars. Get em while they last.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dirt track demon

Thank you very much Phils Toys,  knowing that the packaging is the same, will make it alot easier.  I guess I'm off to walmart again.  Surely one of the 5 gazillion wally worlds in PA will have one.  I also noticed that KB toys has the fresh cherries line, but the one I was in, only had the AMC stuff.  Thanx again.  I'll probably have to get 2 of them if i find them, I want to make one look like my dirt tracker.  I was going to use one of the 1/24th scale ones but I think one that moves would be even more "shiney" :police:
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

phils toys

dirt track,
here is one i found on ebay also have a black one. I have not seen any rc around here.
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

dirt track demon

 :swirl: :drunk: :swirl: :drunk: :sleep:
can anyone tell me what the R/C cars packaging looks like??  Does it look like the others with the fresh cherries theme?
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

Panhandle Sam

Quote from: dirt track demon on May 18, 2006, 08:49:55 PM
damn  I was just wondering if i got the only one with the steering wheel upside down.

:sorry:

Aww now I never meant any harm and you dont owe me an apology. I was just clowning (which I do that alot) Whatever you do DON'T take me too seriously.

Sorry about your steering wheel being upside down and wish I had the right answer for ya. :drunk: :peace:
Please don't IM me on yahoo messenger.

dirt track demon

damn  I was just wondering if i got the only one with the steering wheel upside down.

:sorry:
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

Panhandle Sam

Quote from: dirt track demon on May 18, 2006, 02:06:13 AM
  Did anyone else take notice of the door speakers on the 1/24 scale?  and my steering wheel is glued on upside down too. anyone else notice the pinto emblem on the steering wheel is upside down?  I figured out what is funky about the hatch,  the guy who let them use his car for the model said he had the roof vinyl made and the seam came from the upholsterer not having a big enough piece to make it one piece, and the weird hatchline comes from the trim piece around the back of the vinyl roof.  it gives it a squarish line instead of a round one. and it is supposed to be a 74 whats with the small bumpers?

Can't we all just be thankfull that they even make these lil cars & not pick them all to pieces? I don't even own a real life scale Pinto but collected them years ago. I think the toy makers have done a great job!
They could've vetoed the Pinto and made YUGO's instead! :lol: :nocool: :sleep: :showback: :rolleye: :cheesy_p: :stop: :peace:
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dirt track demon

Quote from: Jinxter on April 28, 2006, 03:40:18 PM


As for the large scale ones, apart from the roof seam, the back is seems little off...  It's like the roof is a little long and the hatch angle is a bit too steep.

  Did anyone else take notice of the door speakers on the 1/24 scale?  and my steering wheel is glued on upside down too. anyone else notice the pinto emblem on the steering wheel is upside down?  I figured out what is funky about the hatch,  the guy who let them use his car for the model said he had the roof vinyl made and the seam came from the upholsterer not having a big enough piece to make it one piece, and the weird hatchline comes from the trim piece around the back of the vinyl roof.  it gives it a squarish line instead of a round one. and it is supposed to be a 74 whats with the small bumpers?
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

dirt track demon

I got a small blue pinto, and got a green and white 1/24 scale one. Can you tell me what the packaging of the r/c car looks like or maybe  provide a pic?  I hunted for the r/c but couldn't find it, I may have looked right at it and not realized it, there are so many toy cars in that isle.
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

fast34

Just got my RC last night!!  Really cool too!!!  $19.74 at wallys, they also had a RC Pacer for the AMC folks.