Mini Classifieds

Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

Members
Stats
  • Total Posts: 139,573
  • Total Topics: 16,267
  • Online today: 656
  • Online ever: 1,722 (Yesterday at 02:19:48 AM)
Users Online
  • Users: 0
  • Guests: 535
  • Total: 535
F&I...more

My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

ford-pinto.jpg

I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

5spd. & T-5 Install/Swap Information

Started by 77turbopinto, February 27, 2006, 11:32:28 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

UltimatePinto

Here is some pics of my crossmember notch for my 73 Runabout.

The top of the crossmember is only fourteen gauge sheet metal so it's not hard to cut.

The piece installed is a section of 3/8' wall, 4" square tube, which is about twenty times thick than needed. i just think that might makes right. I drilled holes into the bottom of the tube piece to plug weld it to the existing crossmember, using c - clamps to make sure it was firmly attached.

Not all that hard of a project.

Al

Pangra74

Quote from: earthquake on April 12, 2006, 11:00:40 AM
I have done the swap in my 80 wagon,It's almost a bolt in.On mine we used an svo trans.this uses the rear pull cable so you have to cut a notch in the crossmember and weld a piece of tubing cut in half lenghwise forming a channell for the cable to run through.this is the most diffucult part and it's simple.the next thing you need is the trans mount for the mustang,mines 86.This will bolt to the pinto crossmember its a perfect fit allmost as if it was planned.next you need the front yoke from the mustang and if your lucky a drive line from a 78 LTD with the auto,another perfect fit.plug in your speedo,wire in your backup light and thats about it your shiftin 5. as for the shifter it pops up through toe hole a little forward but you dont have to cut it,allthough the front 2 bolts on the shifter are fun. Hope this helps.Doc



I just finished my T5 swap into a 74 runabout. I used the bellcrank style bellhousing, shortened the driveshaft by 1-3/8". There is no need to cut a notch in the crossmember. I simply made a new bracket above the existing cable hole in the bellhousing, bent it at a slight angle so the cable lines up to the attachment point on the bellcrank. Works just fine, no binding. I used a clutch from a 92 Mustang and drilled new holes in the crossmember for the 92 Mustang tranny mount.
You can see pics at www.musicbythe bay.com/pinto

Joe (Pangra74)
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

Pangra74

Quote from: 77turbopinto on July 15, 2006, 12:16:18 PM
The bell bolts from the other side and from looking at both, the bolt pattern is different. This would require moving the holes and having to put them in almost PERFECT alignment. Much easier to notch the crossmember and use a very easy to find "bellcrank" bell.

Bill

I just finished my T5 swap into a 74 runabout. I used the bellcrank style bellhousing, shortened the driveshaft by 1-3/8". There is no need to cut a notch in the crossmember. I simply made a new bracket above the existing cable hole in the bellhousing, bent it at a slight angle so the cable lines up to the attachment point on the bellcrank. Works just fine, no binding. I used a clutch from a 92 Mustang and drilled new holes in the crossmember for the 92 Mustang tranny mount.
You can see pics at www.musicbythebay.com/pinto

Joe (Pangra74)
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

77turbopinto

As I mentioned in a TurboFord thread, I had used a D5 fork in a D9 bell. I have swapped it out and it operates much better.

Due to my use of the stock Pinto shifter boot, I needed to remove the carpet to pull the shifter off when I dropped the tranny. While I had it out, I made a modification to the shifter handle. Now, it is in a better location and will not put the stress on the Pinto boot. I will get a photo of it fully installed.

Sorry for the bad photo.

Please note the section that was removed from the handle is between the stock and modified parts, and that the collar below the threaded area has been re-worked too, to let the boot slide further down. I did not cut the threaded area, so I have a small section of fuel hose to take up the short space between the knob and boot.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

77turbopinto

The Hummer is the name (maybe not by Ford) of the 4spd that was used by Ford in all the Pintos that had a M/T.

Like Tony said, the T-9 is basicly Hummer 4spd with an overdrive added to it, kind of like the B/W 4spds used in the Musang II's having the O/D added and it became the T-5.

The 86 T/C M/T cars came with the T-5, bell crank style bell, and a larger diameter clutch than a Pinto.

The T-5 is FAR better than a T-9, but if you don't (or the last owners) slam it around, the T-9 should be fine.

Use the clutch and flywheel for the bell and fork that you use. If you don't, you might need to work on the pivit for the fork.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

lugnut

Quote from: Pintony on July 15, 2006, 11:25:49 PM
Hey Bill,
The T9 transmission works GREAT on the early Pinto. ;D
It may be weak but it is the easy street to a 5th gear.
The T9 and the Hummer is the same transmission case with a 5 gear pod added to the rear of the case.
From Pintony

Whats a Hummer??  Is a T-9 what was used in the later '80's 2.3 Mustangs?
Also, I found a 1986 Turbo Coupe 5 speed that I am considering buying; What kind of trans and clutch setup would that car have?
mike

77turbopinto

More bell details.

From what I have found, all fox body stangs 83ish and later, and earlier T/C's use a 'bell crank' style arrangement on the fork. This can work for a Pinto with notching the crossmember. The early foxes (79-82ish) had a strait pull like the Mustang II with the B/W trannies. The 87/88 T/C's have a hyd. clutch and the bell and actuators will not work without MAJOR modifications to the car and parts.

Mustang II's used the B/W 4spd trannys, so a "D4" and "D5" bell are out there and will work on a T-5.

Also, the D9 bell that was in my donor car had a 'D5' arm installed. Yes, it will "work" but it is not correct (I will be swapping it out soon).

The D9 fork will not work with a stock Pinto cable without minor modifications because the "ball" at the tranny side of the Pinto cable is too small. The Pinto cable will fit the bell-crank style with no problems (I know this because I cut up a bell-crank one to modify my 'D9').


Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

77turbopinto

Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Gaslight

  I am in the middle of the 2.3 turbo 5 speed swap.  Thought I would share a few small details that I could not locate anywhere.  The flywheel to crank bolts are still available through Ford parts but not the clutch cover (pressure plate) to flywheel.  I am using a flywheel that came from an 88 turbo T-bird and I have been told they should be SAE but a few but this one is metric.  The 6 bolts needed are M8 X 1.25 X 16 mm long.  ARP shows not listing for this application but on Monday i will have a number from ARP that will allow this exact bolt to be ordered normal.  Hope this helps anyone else.

Jake
My new answering machine message:   
"I am not available right now, but thank you for caring enough to call.
I am making some changes in my life.  Please leave a message after the beep.
If I do not return your call, you are one of the changes."

77turbopinto

Tony: That bolt would not go in on my car until I shortened it, even flexing the engine down, and I dropped my engine down a bit when I installed it. It is all in there now, but if I need to remove it, I will pull the tranny off the bell first.

A side note to the side note: I think that would be an issue with any bell using the upper holes.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Gaslight

Well now I get your "?" reply.  The only thing I meant to say that the early bell would not bolt up to was the 5 speed trans not the engine.

Jake
My new answering machine message:   
"I am not available right now, but thank you for caring enough to call.
I am making some changes in my life.  Please leave a message after the beep.
If I do not return your call, you are one of the changes."

Pintony

Quote from: 77turbopinto on July 15, 2006, 10:46:06 PM
Jake: My "?" was about the bell to engine bolt pattern part; I thought you were impling that it would not fit the 2.3T, not just pointing out the use of 2 different holes on the 2.3 block.

Good photo.

[font=Verdana]One side note on using the D9 bell; The upper right side tranny to engine bolt will not go in unless it is cut or you dent the firewall.[/font]

Bill
Hey Bill,
The T9 transmission works GREAT on the early Pinto. ;D
It may be weak but it is the easy street to a 5th gear.
The T9 and the Hummer is the same transmission case with a 5 gear pod added to the rear of the case.
From Pintony

77turbopinto

Jake: My "?" was about the bell to engine bolt pattern part; I thought you were impling that it would not fit the 2.3T, not just pointing out the use of 2 different holes on the 2.3 block.

Good photo.

One side note on using the D9 bell; The upper right side tranny to engine bolt will not go in unless it is cut or you dent the firewall.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Pintony

I give 1-UP for the bell-house photo.

Gaslight

My new answering machine message:   
"I am not available right now, but thank you for caring enough to call.
I am making some changes in my life.  Please leave a message after the beep.
If I do not return your call, you are one of the changes."

Gaslight

My new answering machine message:   
"I am not available right now, but thank you for caring enough to call.
I am making some changes in my life.  Please leave a message after the beep.
If I do not return your call, you are one of the changes."

77turbopinto

Quote from: Gaslight on July 15, 2006, 12:34:45 PM

...The bell to transmission pattern is completely different as well as the bolt pattern for the early 2.3 bell to 2.3 turbo motor... 


?

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Gaslight

Well I can say as of right now since I just put the two together to verify it that a early 2.3 bell will not work with the T5.  The bell to transmission pattern is completely different as well as the bolt pattern for the early 2.3 bell to 2.3 turbo motor.  So forget the 4 speed 2.3 bell for that conversion.  I ended up just putting the bell crank bell on it.

Jake
My new answering machine message:   
"I am not available right now, but thank you for caring enough to call.
I am making some changes in my life.  Please leave a message after the beep.
If I do not return your call, you are one of the changes."

77turbopinto

Quote from: bigh4th on July 12, 2006, 11:42:45 AM
...I have also heard some of the earlier bells will fit a t5 if you have the center hole (for throwout bearing shaft) machined a little larger to fit the t5.  Theres a webpage for a fellow who I beleive is running a spitfire with a swapped in ford 2.8 v6.  Says he got a 4 spd mustang II bellhousing and machined the center hole a little larger and it was a perfect fit on the t5.

-Harry

The bell bolts from the other side and from looking at both, the bolt pattern is different. This would require moving the holes and having to put them in almost PERFECT alignment. Much easier to notch the crossmember and use a very easy to find "bellcrank" bell.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Gaslight

Harry,

  Thanks for the heads up.  I should be getting into this over the weekend and then I will find out.

Jake
My new answering machine message:   
"I am not available right now, but thank you for caring enough to call.
I am making some changes in my life.  Please leave a message after the beep.
If I do not return your call, you are one of the changes."

bigh4th

That D9 bell (1979) is most likely a part that was made for the then new 1979 fox body mustang.  May have been changed for clearance in the mustang and ford went with the new casting since it was cheaper than running another casting for a car they knew they were gonna phase out the next year.

I have also heard some of the earlier bells will fit a t5 if you have the center hole (for throwout bearing shaft) machined a little larger to fit the t5.  Theres a webpage for a fellow who I beleive is running a spitfire with a swapped in ford 2.8 v6.  Says he got a 4 spd mustang II bellhousing and machined the center hole a little larger and it was a perfect fit on the t5.

-Harry

Gaslight

I have the cable pull style bell.  I was to understand this is the way my 74 would have came if it was a factory manual.  Its an automatic right now although all that is coming out for the SVO-T5 swap.

Jake
My new answering machine message:   
"I am not available right now, but thank you for caring enough to call.
I am making some changes in my life.  Please leave a message after the beep.
If I do not return your call, you are one of the changes."

77turbopinto

My 79 Pinto had a D9 bell in it, as did an old Pinto Mini-Stocker I was given. I have seen posts that Pintos NEVER had the D9 bells from the factory, so I don't know what to tell you. I can say that the D9 bell fits the t-5, and it bolts from outside the bell.  If you have the bellcrank style bell it will work if you notch out a section of the crossmember.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Gaslight

So reading this I should be able to bolt a Pinto 4 speed bellhousing from a 2.3 to a T5 and everything else hooks up just like normal then?  I just scored the 2.3 turbo T5 for my EFI conversion and I am getting the new clutch setup this week to bolt it all together.

Jake
My new answering machine message:   
"I am not available right now, but thank you for caring enough to call.
I am making some changes in my life.  Please leave a message after the beep.
If I do not return your call, you are one of the changes."

earthquake

I have done the swap in my 80 wagon,It's almost a bolt in.On mine we used an svo trans.this uses the rear pull cable so you have to cut a notch in the crossmember and weld a piece of tubing cut in half lenghwise forming a channell for the cable to run through.this is the most diffucult part and it's simple.the next thing you need is the trans mount for the mustang,mines 86.This will bolt to the pinto crossmember its a perfect fit allmost as if it was planned.next you need the front yoke from the mustang and if your lucky a drive line from a 78 LTD with the auto,another perfect fit.plug in your speedo,wire in your backup light and thats about it your shiftin 5. as for the shifter it pops up through toe hole a little forward but you dont have to cut it,allthough the front 2 bolts on the shifter are fun. Hope this helps.Doc
73 sedan parts car,80 crusin wagon conversion,76 F 250 460 SCJ,74 Ranchero 4x4,88 mustang lx convertable,and the readheaded step child 86 uhhh Chevy 4x4(Sorry guys it was cheap)

77turbopinto

Took the car out today, what a blast. Still need to change the rear gears, the 2.79's will not do. The good news is that in theory my top speed before the rev. limiter hits is about 200MPH!

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

77turbopinto

I installed the new carpet last night, I hate aftermarket ones with no pre-cut holes. I got it in ok, and was able to use a stock pinto shifter boot (I made a filler for the rear of the shifter hole). The interior is now all black and almost done. I still need to work on a few more details.

The 2.79's are still in the rear, and just by moving the car in the garage I can tell I need to swap them soon.

I have the underdash a/c-heater box from an a/c car to give me room for the turbo. The a/c controls are in the console, and the a/c console is 2" closer to the shifter than the non-a/c one. With the t-5 shifter further forward, I modified a non-a/c console to mount the a/c-heater controls. I could have just put them up in the center of the dash, but without the a/c, I like the extra vents.

Bill



.
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

TIGGER

FYI, I saw in one of my Mustang magazines that someone is making a adjustable shifter now.  I forget the brand, but this design allows you to compensate for the 1" difference.  It looked pretty trick.  I will dig thru my pile of magazines and see if I can find it.  I was thinking of looking into it anyway as my 73 has a t5 in it and I tend to have to lean forward to shift into 1st, 3rd, and 5th.  It is slightly uncomfortable for me where it is now. 
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

77turbopinto

I got the t-5 in last night.

TP72, I did something like that, but I used the T/C mount and slotted the holes on the top of the mount as well as the bracket. I also cut the exhaust hanger bracket to mount below the 'mount'.

I still need to wire the plug, and make a filler for the rear of the shifter hole. I found that if you turn the stock shifter boot 90*, the boot mount bolts will clear the tranny. To be able to use the stock boot after I modified the t/c shifter. At the bottom of the knob threads, the shaft gets bigger, so I used the grinder to remove that larger area below the threads and above the elbows. This will let the boot go down far enough to use, and look good. I nee to find my t/c knob as the into one will not fit on the t/c shifter.

The t-5 shifter was about 1" forward in the stock hole, but to make room for it to come through, I needed to cut the hole a little farther forward than that.

The pinto a/t speedo cable will fit into the t-5, but you need to use the t/5 gear. Also, a C4 or T-5 yoke will work, they seem to be the same.

I found it helpful to install the (d9) bell, then bolt the tranny to it.

Not much room in there, I never want to even try a c6.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

turbopinto72

The Tranny mount uses the same mount only the hole needs to be elongated about 3/4" ( forward)to accept the Trans rubber biscuit stud to bolt to the mounting bracket.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto