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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dirt track demon

At least he hasnt tried to convince the derby guys to put 460's in their derby cars. :D
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Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

78pinto

at least he didn't say "drop a 460 in that badboy" ;D
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turbopinto72

Quote from: ford guy on March 26, 2006, 11:05:57 PM
first get away from any thing with smog  a truck old ford 69 351-w your best eng

hook it to a c4   if the eng is sound  .you can easily pull 400 hp
a good reverse manual  c4 use a stock auto drive shaft from a pinto

a very good starting point.  wayne

Here we go again with the reverse manual C4............ :what:
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

ford guy

first get away from any thing with smog  a truck old ford 69 351-w your best eng

hook it to a c4   if the eng is sound  .you can easily pull 400 hp
a good reverse manual  c4 use a stock auto drive shaft from a pinto

a very good starting point.  wayne

ford guy

hi wayne here well if you have to go to bone yards  you might think why are they in there.

but this  stuff about 351-w  go to 69 fords  they have very good heads with 56 cc  chambers  instead of 76 /80 cc  its called compression.

i have e mailed you  but you can if you want to do it [pinto]  real good then
go all the way  pro street it 
for 5,999 you can get a 408  400 hp +  bolt right in  c4  stock auto drive shaft

now get get down get serious 4 link sub frame  coil overs fuel cell  9 inch locker
4:11 gears  6 point cage or 8 point
i just happen to have a set of frame rails already made up
2x3 box .o86 wall  enough for  600 plus hp
WILL SALE  WANT A NARROWED REAR  CAN DO.
WAYNE : WE WILL SEND IT UPS OR FREIGHT           JOHISAREE@YAHOO.COM
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turbopinto72

Quote from: ford guy on March 23, 2006, 11:58:30 AM
get a 70 351-c  as in cleveland   but you can forget junk yard stuff.

eng ok build it up  450/480 hp  reverse manual c4 

but you dont want to go pro street do you .
they are fun  .have had 1 i built.

now building a 460 2x4  in a converted  pinto wagon

this will be super pro street
but the 351-c  has hp galore  not cheap  but more than 289/302/351-w
if serious e mail me  johisaree@yahoo.com

I think he was specifically doing a junk yard engine car??? BTW why do you keep promoting reverse manual c4 transmissions??? ( especially for the street? )
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

ford guy

get a 70 351-c  as in cleveland   but you can forget junk yard stuff.

eng ok build it up  450/480 hp  reverse manual c4 

but you dont want to go pro street do you .
they are fun  .have had 1 i built.

now building a 460 2x4  in a converted  pinto wagon

this will be super pro street
but the 351-c  has hp galore  not cheap  but more than 289/302/351-w
if serious e mail me  johisaree@yahoo.com

71hotrodpinto

:welcome:
Your best bet at this point is to unearth the last V8 Mustang II left in junkyards and grab the exhaust manifolds, front sump oil pan, frame mounts and rubber motor mounts, V8 downshift rod and all the carb linkage. Also get the flexplate, trans converter,dipstick tube and bellhousing .Hell might as well pull the whole dam assy from waterpump to rearend and just rebuild the engine and trans.
Then put your original 71 back together ,sell it, and then get a 74 for your project.  :sorry: They have more engine clearance for the radiator.(I know from experience!) they are lighter still than the later models and you don't have to smog in California at that year.
My V8 '71 has been a Challenge to say the least to keep the radiator under the hood and above the front valance. And I stayed completely away from the junkyard for anything. All ebay. LOL
  But you still have to put the new radiator in front of the where the old radiator sat. Ive heard that it might be possible to use the Mustang II radiator but theres some debate over that.
A V6 Pinto 8 incher will bolt up like it was made to and the stock C4 pinto drive shaft allthough it might not be good for dragstrip antics with slicks and 400 hp it will do fine if its rebuilt with new high quality u-joints.

Really thats the only junkyard stuff that Ive ever heard of working.

Unfortunately since Mustang II's have there own group of people that love them they don't like hearing about how we Pinto guys "take there stuff" to make our cars cooler and quicker. Although IV'E never heard of anyone getting mad about it.
Uno on another note your friend shouldnt argue with physics. The power to wieght ratio with a v8 pinto is superior for acceleration given the same horspower etc. How can you argue with that??
Good luck Dont give up!

dirt track demon

Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

itmayblow

would v8 maverick motor mounts work ?

itmayblow

I was gonna drive it on weekends when it was done.
Some parts I can buy new belts hoses and so on. I think I can sneak away to the local auto zone and get away with that. but if I win the bet that I can build a pinto  and it can run , drive and be some what quick then I get 500 dollars. I know i am gonna spend more then that getting a car together but its more of saying ha i told you so. O and I an not really supposted to modify as little as possible.

dirt track demon

What are all the rules for this bet???  If you can only use junkyard parts, is there a fine print clause that says you cant modify them???  Cut up a couple mounts and weld the thing solid to the frame.  I take it this is just a bet to see if it can be done, or are you wanting to keep and drive the thing after the bet is won???????
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

itmayblow

I hit a small wall last night. motor and trans mounts  I cant find mustang 2 ones anywhere and no clue what to use on the trans.

Tude

welll i think it only takes about 10 - 20 seconds to get it in not bolted up  :text_yb_lol:

custom fit hammered and bent


itmayblow

Well I got my motor and trans today, thanks to a sad f 150.
and this weekend I pull out the old and in with the new
hopefully. About how long dose it take to get the motor and trans fit in the car not hooked up but just in. And yes in case your wondering I have my bfh ready.

77turbopinto

Well, the Mustang II is the only car for the v8 stuff, but not all the parts are "bolt-in". You will need to modify some parts, and you might have make others along the way, and as far as the rear goes, you don't HAVE to change it to install the V8, it just won't last long. That might save you some time and money for now.

Bill
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bob55

Probably asked many times before, are the Mustang II and Maverick 8" axles interchangeable?
In a quandry......

itmayblow

yes there is a really good v8 section but i was wondering what all cars in a junk yard i could get the parts from.

77turbopinto

Have you looked in the FAQ section????

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

krazi

don't forget, you'll need a front sump oil pan.
yeah, I'm Krazi!

78jr racer

for ease of installation stick with the 8"
74-78 mustang ii
74-80 pinto, bobcat
if wanting 5x4.5 bolt pattern, maverick 8" & 9" both are the right width just have to modify lower shock bracket and use u-bolts from maverick. that is the rear end we use in our circle-burners.
hope it helps.
merle walter

itmayblow

I was thinking about an 8.8 or 8 inch rear do i have to shorten it? I was also thinking a bout using leaf springs. Are there any cars that i can take the drive shaft from, that will bolt up with no modification?

Tude

are you leaving the leaf springs or putting a 4 link rear in it?

80s f150s came with 8.8s and 9 inches leaf spring

77-79 cougars/t-birds had 3 link or 4 link 9 inches in them

79-91(and i think newer) cars had 8.8s in them 4 link

off the top of my head i cant remember a whole lot  :sorry:
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Tude

well depends on what your looking for

aod trannys came in 79 and newer ltds, 79 or 80 mercs, 80 and newer lincolns

c-6 i would look for some older cars(old iron back befor they knew what plastic was on the out side of them) , or 80s f150s

c-4- i think they came in 77-79 cougars and ?.......?

3 speed- 60-66 trucks (3 on the tree), and i think a granada they had them

4 speed -ford trucks

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itmayblow

well I was thinking a 351 or 302 right now its a v4 what type of cars do I look for for trans and rear end.

Tude

im sure some where out there in that junk yard you can find things like a high rise intake, cowl induction hood scoop, headers............

if using all stock stuff

302- i would look for mustangs

351W- i would look for 80s 150

351m/400 ford cars and trucks older than 80 or 81on the trucks and 79 and older cars, the 79 ltd will have a small block not sure about the 79 merc but i know 78 had them, 79 and older linc had them also

460- ford trucks f250 and bigger i think 90ish and older, 77 or 78 they quit putting them in lincolns

-just kind of depends on what all your using list the motor and i could tell ya what to look for and what your looking for
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itmayblow

hi every one i have a question? let me give you a little back story my friend has a hot 67 mustang he always brags a bout. you problem know where this is going . One day I was telling him about a v8 pinto and he laughed so we made a bet. I bet I could take junk yard parts and make a wicked car. the next day I bought a 1971 pinto runabout. dose any one have a list of cars and parts I can take from those cars to make a  v8 pinto. I can only use junk yard parts.