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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Fabulous Fords at Knott's, How many going?

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vonkysmeed

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
FRANKENPINTO WILL BE THERE.  It passed the test Saturday by running on the driveway with no problems (ok,few).  I will be at carrows around 6:30 to meet with SCPOC (partners other club of Probes)   I will most likely go in with them to get it parked and relax, however I will try to reserve a spot for all.  I am assuming 10-12 pintos.  If more, we will figure it out.     

The first drive was WILD!!
:fastcar:

see everyone at the show.
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

Sir Hugh

Quote from: Pintony on April 04, 2006, 03:45:30 AM
Hello Sir Hugh,
I'll Park the P.P. right behind yours saturday morning so it can be next in line.
;D ;D ;D

See you this W/E!
From Pintony

Hahaha, nah, sorry Pintony. How about I just nicely hand you the sponge when I am done with it, maybe the soap too.   ;) ;D :angel:

I'll be seeing you soon.  Best of luck.  Woo for roadtrips!
Loving my plum 1978 Pinto Hatchback.  He has a rebuilt engine and is running like new. Beautiful. He still needs a new paint job though.

Pintony

Quote from: Sir Hugh on April 04, 2006, 03:27:04 AM
WOOOOOO!!!  ;D :amazed: :D The show's coming up!  Man I am excited. Hughie is going to spend time at the spa friday and saturday getting groomed for the show.  He is getting the high-speed porter-cable for a good polishing. His tires will be removed for an easier access to clean and buff out the rims.  I will have to scrub off the tar build up (damn freeways). Buff out every piece of metal I can find even if it's brushed aluminum.  And then there's his interior.  All that vinyl needs deep cleaning.  I have to get out the damn sand that I somehow track in even though I am 60+ miles from the nearest beach.  He has to be as  gorgeous as he can be.  Hughie will be dressed to kill. (No pun intended)  ;)

Hello Sir Hugh,
I'll Park the P.P. right behind yours saturday morning so it can be next in line.
;D ;D ;D

See you this W/E!
From Pintony

Sir Hugh

WOOOOOO!!!  ;D :amazed: :D The show's coming up!  Man I am excited. Hughie is going to spend time at the spa friday and saturday getting groomed for the show.  He is getting the high-speed porter-cable for a good polishing. His tires will be removed for an easier access to clean and buff out the rims.  I will have to scrub off the tar build up (damn freeways). Buff out every piece of metal I can find even if it's brushed aluminum.  And then there's his interior.  All that vinyl needs deep cleaning.  I have to get out the damn sand that I somehow track in even though I am 60+ miles from the nearest beach.  He has to be as  gorgeous as he can be.  Hughie will be dressed to kill. (No pun intended)  ;)
Loving my plum 1978 Pinto Hatchback.  He has a rebuilt engine and is running like new. Beautiful. He still needs a new paint job though.

Race Junkie

Uh, it would be cool if I could make it, but Im not holding my breath on it.
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vonkysmeed

Quote from: Pintony on March 20, 2006, 08:17:36 AM
Hello  vonkysmeed,
It is a BIG enought taks swaping the starter with a 4 cylinder.
I think I would have tried a NEW battery FIRST!!!! ;D

LUCK! LUCK! LUCK!!!!!! :drunk:
From Pintony



No, Killed the battery by trying to start it.  Several times we heard the acid boiling (is that safe)  Well, today proved interesting.  We got it running to the point that the water temp goes up and oil pressure does too (sort of) Unfortunately it showed 2 other issues, Leaky heater core (Who needs a heater in SoCal) and a mysterious oil leak.  There is some oil leaking from the passenger valve cover and that will be fixed tomorrow, however there was a lot of oil loss.  I also still need to install fans for the radiator.  If I can keep it running on my driveway for an hour with out overheating or grenading, It will be there.  Just hope I have the time.  I will not trailer it in this year, but will check out the pintos if mine does not make it. 

Check out the website in a few hours for the full reason it did not start.   :surprised:
http://mysite.verizon.net/project.frankenpinto/
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

Pintony

Hello Pintopower,
Thank you for the up-date.
Now.. Where did I put that dinners card???
From Pintony

Pintopower

Hey, for all those going to the show, the Pinto club over here will be meeting at Carrows in Buena Park at 7:30 am (4/9/06 of course) along with the fairlane club. Here is the address:

Carrows Restaurant
8650 Beach Blvd.
Buena Park, CA 90620
(714) 826-4280

We will have a good breakfast and head over to the show at about 8:30. Hope to see all of you there! Take Care,
Alberto
Call me if you have any questions!
626-221-7681
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Pintony

Hello  vonkysmeed,
It is a BIG enought taks swaping the starter with a 4 cylinder.
I think I would have tried a NEW battery FIRST!!!! ;D

LUCK! LUCK! LUCK!!!!!! :drunk:
From Pintony


vonkysmeed

 :wow:

The engine ran last week, now it will not start.  It will not even turn over.  We changed the starter (neat trick with a 351 in a pinto) and it still will not turn over.  I will check the battery as we may have killed it. 

If it will not run, I will most likely be lurking with out the car.  Wish us luck on getting it running.
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

phils toys

based on his previous post i believe he is referring to the white falcon  that should be at the show
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

wagonmaster

Hey Brad!

I realize that I'm gettin' old and my eyesight isn't what it used to be, but somehow I think there's something missing in your post!!   :look:
Brien - wagonmaster
'85 LTD LX
'85 LTD Squire wagon

Pintony


turbopinto72

Ok, all you guys going to the show MUST see this car, Its real Cool........
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

strat6pony

Turbopinto,yeah it's the white one.they're in the process of finishing up refreshing the motor.They ran an 11.85 @110 mph last year at Fun Ford in Phoenix.they have upgraded the turbo and intercooler, shooting for high 10's by the end of the year.

Pintony

Hello Group,
I got my conformation letter today.
Pink letter with Red tag for my mirror.
Class 28.
From Pintony

turbopinto72

Quote from: strat6pony on March 11, 2006, 10:02:11 AM
Sorry havent posted in awhile but we'll be there.Won't have the car there this year hopefully next year.Will be there with a friends turbo'd inline 6 falcon.

Is that the White Falcon?
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

strat6pony

Sorry havent posted in awhile but we'll be there.Won't have the car there this year hopefully next year.Will be there with a friends turbo'd inline 6 falcon.


krazi

I guess I won't be going. my car probably wouldn't make the run, and if it did, it isn't emissions legal. I'm not sure that the state wouldn't let my car in. and another problem, due to flatulence, I personally wouldn't pass the emissions standards. ;D

krazi
yeah, I'm Krazi!

Pintony

Hello Keazi,
The Knotts show is near L.A. California.
From Pintony

krazi

just curious, where exactly is knotts berry farm? if it's too far, I can't go

krazi
yeah, I'm Krazi!

Pintony

Hello DragonWagon,
Try talking to your wife about comming to the Knotts.
You never know...
From Pintony

DragonWagon

Quote from: Pintony on February 26, 2006, 09:57:03 PM
Any members from the north comming down for the day?
From Pintony

I would love to meet up with all of you, but I doubt it will happen even next year! I suppose if I ignore my household projects it would be possible to get the Pinto done by next year. Of course after the divorce I wouldn't be able to afford to work on it so... maybe 2008 is a more realistic goal  :rolleye:. Some wives just don't have their priorities straight.
1976 mpg Wagon. The start of it all.
1977 Cruising Wagon, to be turboed.
1979 glass hatchback. No motor atm.
1980 wagon parts car.

vonkysmeed

Frankenpinto is one step closer to driving there, Installed the exhaust today and it should do Ok privided there are no speed bumps.  Next weekend, I have the cooling system to be completed along with the new front tires.  Like last year, If necessary, It can be towed there, but I doubt they would appreciate it 2 years running.  I can safely say that it will still be competing for the Rattiest car there.  Check out the site, it should be updated tomorrow night at the latest. 

See you there. 
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

redmustangman3

Pintony: Had the attached Mustang fastback for several years. 302, 5-speed, Ford 9" w/posi., many suspension upgrades, etc. See yah at Knotts. Joe (redmustang-man3).
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

Pintony

Quote from: redmustangman3 on February 27, 2006, 09:22:45 AM
Hi Pintony: I'll be attending, coming down from No. Cal.- San Jose area. I also classified my Pinto under section #28. Looking forward to meeting fellow Pinto enthusiasts. I've attached a photo of my 1971. Joe H.

Hello Joe,
I'm confused redmustangman3?  But you have a Black Pinto?? ;D
See you at the Knotts. 28 seems to be the catigory for the Pinto. KQQL!!!
From Pintony

redmustangman3

Hi Pintony: I'll be attending, coming down from No. Cal.- San Jose area. I also classified my Pinto under section #28. Looking forward to meeting fellow Pinto enthusiasts. I've attached a photo of my 1971. Joe H.
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

Pintony

Hello Group,
OK... 42 days to go untill the Knotts berry farm all Ford show.
April 9 2006
Who is going?
Any members from the north comming down for the day?
From Pintony

Pintony

Hello to the members attending Knottsberry show,
My registration form has been sent.
I put my car classification #28 for other fords.
What have you put on yours???
Hopefully they will let us swap catigorys so we can all park together.
Do we need to save space so we are parked together or do they classify and park us?
From Pintony