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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dirt track demon

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The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

bigh4th

Nope.  2.8 and 2.9 are internaly ballanced.  Only thing the counterweights on the flywheels do is ballance the flywheel itself, just like a tire.

-Harry

dirt track demon

Quote from: bigh4th on February 03, 2006, 09:53:02 AM
as far as manual trans go, if the pilot bearing is in the flywheel (which is the only kind I've ever seen) you can use a 2.8 or 2.9.  they're the same flywheel with the same part number.  Automatics are also the same as long as you have the correct flywheel/flexplate with its correct transmission (c3, c4-c5, a4ld).

  But what about the counterweights on the flywheel(2.8 vs 2.9), wouldn't they be weighted differently because one crank is slightly heavier than the other??
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

bigh4th

as far as manual trans go, if the pilot bearing is in the flywheel (which is the only kind I've ever seen) you can use a 2.8 or 2.9.  they're the same flywheel with the same part number.  Automatics are also the same as long as you have the correct flywheel/flexplate with its correct transmission (c3, c4-c5, a4ld).

The 4.0 flywheel is larger, but will also work.  The only reason to use the 4.0 flywheel is mainly for offroad or truck use where as the extra spinning mass of the flywheel helps you to take off if you're pulling a load.

-Harry

dirt track demon

Thanx harry.  What for flywheel were they using the 2.8 or the 2.9?
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

bigh4th

There is a 6 cubic inch difference between the 2.9 and the 2.8.  I should've re-worded my post about to say that while the 2.9 crank does push the pistons a little higher (better compression) the difference in stroke is how far the pistons are pulled down into the bore.

While I myself haven't doen the 2.9 crank to a 2.8 conversion, it has been done and does indeed yeild better power.  I'll see if I can hunt up the webpage.

-Harry

dirt track demon

If there is enough room from the top of the pistons at tdc, that they still wont hit the head with a 2.9 crank in a 2.8, then why not just deck the block to the top of the 2.8 pistons and be done with it. instead of all the jury rigging to get the 2.9 crank in it??  Harry you and i have discussed this 2.8 2.9 thing before, please be advised that i am not trying to be an argumentative moron, I am trying to get to the bottom of this swap thing,BEFORE, dissecting my 2.8.
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

bigh4th

The stroke isn't long enough to run the pistons up that far.

I've made a run on Desktop dyno with a 2.8 buit with the 2.9 crank, 2.9 valves, the hottest cam comp cams makes for the 2.8, 4bbl, and shorty headers and it came up with 220 hp.   however, everything I've read about desktop dyno says that their estimates are usualy lower than actual power.

-Harry

dirt track demon

if you use a 2.9 crank in a 2.8.  what keeps the pistons from hitting the head???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

bigh4th

Actualy, the 2.8 and 2.9 share the same rod/main journal sizes, as well as the 82-86 2.8 cam journal sizes.  The earlier 2.8's (74-79) have smaller cam journals.

Some people have used the 2.9 chank in their hopped up 2.8's for better performance.  The 2.9 crank has more "stroke" than the 2.8's and it raises the compression just a hair (if you use 2.8 flat-top pistons instead of 2.9 dished pistons). The only thing is you have to have the 2.9's crank snout machined down to accept the 2.8's timing gear.

I had a re-ring kit I ordered for a 2.8 that I wound up using most of on a 2.9.  Used all the bearings and piston rings with 2.8 pistons.  The 2.8 pistons can also be used in 2.9's to bump the compression up a little as well.

The 2.8 and 2.9's are pretty much brothers.  The only difference in the blocks are the added oil galleries (poorly, i might add) for the 2.9's hydraulic lifters, and the oil pump mounting is different.  other than that, the block is pretty much the same.  It even has the fuel pump boss cast into it still, but its not opened up.

The 4.0 is another beast all together.  It is part of the cologne engine family, but other than the bell housing pattern, it shares no other parts with the 2.8/2.9

-Harry

dirt track demon

p.s.  I also know where there is one of those merkur intakes for the 2.9.  the one that looks like a mini version of the corvette intake.
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

dirt track demon

thank you harry!!!   plus the journals for the crank and cam are different dimensions between the 2.8 and 2.9.  the flywheels are just a little different too.  they will both work but one combination will eat starters.
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

bigh4th

The 2.6, 2.8, 2.9, and 4.0 are all relatives.  The 2.6 has a smaller bore than the 2.8.  The 2.9 has a longer stroke than a 2.8, and the cam rotates opposite.  The 4.0 has a longer stroke and larger bore than a 2.9 and a taller deck to compensate for it.  All of these engines are called "cologne" engines because they're made in Ford of Germany's Cologne plant.

That being said, only 3 of those engines can be put in a pinto.  The 2.6 (why?) the 2.8, and the 2.9 with a Merkur upper intake.  The Truck 2.9 and NO 4.0 will work in a pinto without heavy modification.  The intake manifolds stick up too high on both of the engines and Both of the truck engines have a rear-sump oil pan.

The oil pan from a 2.8 will work on a 2.9, but the 4.0 has its own unique oil pan and will not interchange.  Its also cast aluminum which means it can't be modified easily. this plus the fact that there is only a truck manifold means that it won't fit under a pinto's hood...  At least not cheaply.

The new mustangs use the DOHC 4.0, but if any of us can afford the price tag on factory parts, we would probably have already put a 302 in our cars.

Either way, in the end the 4.0 will get around the same gas mileage as a 302 with less horse power.

-Harry

pintoguy76

The TH400 will take it too. Dont thi nk that youd fit that or a C6 into a pinto (i could be wrong!) and as heavy as they are, a C4 is by far probably the best bet. Some guys like to stuff AOD's in their pintos, but it sounds like it takes alot of modification to do it. As for the 2.8 V6, i personally would replace it with something else. The 4.0L is supposed to be the big brother of the 2.8. It should bolt in place of it, but be prepared to do soemwiring, because the 4L is all fuel injected. It would be a great swap tho. Or, what most guys do is put in a 2.3 Turbo from a Merkur XR4TI, Thunderbird TurboCoupe, or Mustang SVO. It takes a little wiring too but its not bad and to go along with it most put a T5 five speed behind it. Its pretty easy in a pinto, since its the same motor as the 2.3 that came in the pintos, its just a factory fuel injected and turbocharged version. It would blow both the 2.8 and 4.0 out of the water, power wise and fuel milage wise! And, you get the benefits of the fuel injection - more power/throttle responce, better fuel milage, easier cold starts, stuff like that. Good luck on your car in whatevr you decide to do, and keep us up to date! that car looks nice, id like to have one just like it. You can get parts and help here in the forums to help you out.

James in missouri
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dirt track demon

To eric t:: have you personally done this 2.8  > 4.0 swap???????  as far as I understand the 4.0 is based on the 2.9  NOT the 2.8.  I may be misinformed or mis remembering something, but I thought the 2.8 and 2.9 had a different bell housing pattern, or was it the flywheel????  Been awhile since i helped my one friend destroy all those worthless toyo koygo's or what ever the crap they are called.  The last transmission that ford built that could handle 300+ horses day in and day out was the C-6. every other STOCK automatic ever made, except the power glide,  needs a little help, but that is only my opinion.

to SQUID,  I believe the book quotes either 98 or 105 horses.  as far as  rpm's, mine turned 5800 to 6200 every race, and depending on how mad i was, flatfooted in first gear till it just wouldn't go anymore(dont know, tach doesn't go that high) and bump second.  this motor is completely stock(except the carb) with 62000 miles on it.


Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

eric t

My advice, ditch the 2.8, score the engine,computer and wiring harness from a early 90s ranger with a 4.0L V6. This will bolt right in and since you are a mechanic,you should be able to handle the wiring swap.As far as your trans...any C4 in good shape will easy handle 300HP and at 160HP, yours should be fine. This swap would produce a car with a smooth idle(Thank you fuel injection), a ton of low end power, and about 50 more HP then you have right now, not to mention at least 25MPG.... IF you can keep your foot out of it.     

Mini19Stock

i got it real bad i am a dodge guy and own a camaro and a mustang.

dont even have a dodge anymore

squidd78v6

Hey,

         I checked the door post and my car has the "w" transmision code. Until I got this car I have been predominatly a chevy guy so I don't know the diffrence between a C3 and a C4 tranny. What are the basics? My little pinto has been changing my mind as far as brand loyalty. My station wagon has been taking freeway on ramp corners on 175 series tires at speeds that I would think twice about taking an 80's f-body around at. Thanks again for any info you might have

James
copper 78' wagon
2.8 v6 cam, headers, custom dual exhaust, holley 390 cfm carb

Mini19Stock

dont know about the revv thing lol my mustang only want to go to about 5500 which was low compaired to my Neon.

and shoot my car can run it up to around 7 or a little over and the cam in it works fine but the head has been built in the race car.

but the bottom end is stock. i kinda revved my stang more then i wanted to once and i has 140k on it and i got lucky and didn't break anything.

main thing too on the revvs how was the car driven before you? if you dont know try to find out if it was never pushed hard i would not push it hard more likely to brake something or pop a ring

Pintony

Hello squidd78v6,
Check you drivers door post to find out what the code is for your transmission.
If there is a V? That is bad! C3 tranny.
If the tranny code is W? that is GOOD! C4!
I have a 78 W/ the C4 tranny so it is possible that your Pinto could have the GOOD tranny TOO!

From Pintony

77turbopinto

That depends on the condition of the engine, and " Do you feel lucky...?"

Keeping it tuned and maintained well COULD help it 'survive' more abuse, but....

If there is a good cam with tired stock springs, they MIGHT float before you get near 'critical mass'.

As long as you understand and accept what might happen if you go too far.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

squidd78v6

Hey,

            thanks for the idea's. I have checked timing adjusted the valve lash and getting rid of the auto tranny is high on my list of things to do. I am thinking it might be a carb issue because it tends to hesitate on acceleration sometimes when i really step on it. The other question I have is what is a safe max RPM I can take the engine to safely if I shift the transmission manually? It has an aftermarket tach and the previous owner has the redline set to 4,000 rpm which isn't much higher than what the engine cruises at on the freeway (3100). How high can i go?

Thanks
copper 78' wagon
2.8 v6 cam, headers, custom dual exhaust, holley 390 cfm carb

bigh4th

Sounds like you need a good tune up.  The first thing I would do is run a compression test on all 6 cylinders.  No sense putting a lot of work into something that worn out anyways.  I will say that the biggest power loss you have is that POS c3 automatic trans behind it, but I'm sure you're not into a 4 spd swap from a mustang II.  Anyways...

The 2.8 has solid or mechanical lifters, so you may need to adjust your valve lash.  I can't remember the specs, so unless someone on here has them, you should pick up a chilton repair manual.   The valves being just hair out of adjustment can make all the difference in the world.

Next I would check your timing.  Make sure its set right ( 10* btdc for a stock cam) or maybe advance it a little since you're running an aftermarket cam.  Just watch out for pinging.

after that, I would check the carburetor out.  If you have a variable venturi (sp) carb,  get a standard motorcraft 2150 2 bbl from some years of pintos and mustang II v6 cars.  The VV carb was junk when it was brand new, so if this is your carb and you've removed some emissions components, chances are this is your biggest problem.

The 2.8 is a good little motor with a decent ammount of potential.  In stock form its ok, but people are making 200+ hp with them all the time, and there IS an aftermarket for them.  Offenhauser makes a 4bbl manifold for them, some people still make headers for them, and there is still a good range of performance cams out there.

Hope that helps.

-Harry

77turbopinto

Welcome.

Keep in mind that a stock 4-banger pinto can't get out of it's own way, and the stock v6, it is barly able to. It might need more tweeking, or at least a full tune-up. A tune-up is where I would go first, along with a full inspection, and make it run as good as it can and go from there if you want to keep the engine you have. The cam sticker is far easier to install than the cam, but if someone did all that other work, it might have it, but just a mild one.

Good luck,
Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

squidd78v6

hi,

     I am new into the world of pinto's. Just bought mine used from the car lot I work at as a mechanic. As far as i can tell my car has a set of headers, stickers for a crane cam, a custom dual exhaust on it. It drives ok and sounds great but doesn't seem to have a whole lot of go when i step on it. It has the orriginal carb with all the smog crud removed and it won't idle worth a darn until it warms up fully. Any ideas as to what i would need to do to get it to move better? It keeps up door to door acceleration wise with my wife's isuzu trooper which doing the math makes me beleive I am putting out around 115-120 hp at the crank. is that about right for that set up? Any ideas or help would be appreciated
copper 78' wagon
2.8 v6 cam, headers, custom dual exhaust, holley 390 cfm carb