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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

79-80 windshield into a 71-78 Pinto

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one2.34me

LOL, too funny. I took a spin a couple evenings ago, and it felt great cruising along with no windshield. Wore my shop safety glasses and had no problem.

Wittsend

About 40 years ago I was traveling through South Central Los Angeles, and I kid you not, there was a guy driving a Lincoln Continental down the Freeway with the windshield completely gone.  He was wearing a helmet and goggles. Wonder if that is legal?

one2.34me

Wittsend, I'm going to go ahead and bookmark the Koolkatz website you listed. Eddy at Kotto Auto Glass called back this a.m. and basically said if you can find a Pinto windshield, buy it. He said he could take my cracked '75 to the warehouse and see if there was a windshield he could match it up to and cut out a new Pinto windshield from. He also said it would probably end up costing 1k by the time he was finished...ouch. He did say they are working with Overhaulin now that it has started back up. Maybe it's time to head over to Home Depot and pick up some 1/4" chicken wire.

Wittsend


Windshields seem to have a DW or just a D and then a number associated with it. Often if you call and say "Pinto" they probably roll their eyes. If you ask for a DW 774 BGN (the BGN might be the tint and clear might just be a DW 774) they can probably do a quick inventory check.  I found this link:  https://koolkatzautoglass.com/collections/windshields/products/ford-pinto-ford-mercury-bobcat-windshield I'm was also curious if the Mustang II windshield is the same but the number isn't so it seems that can be ruled out.

Pinto_One you are correct. The '63-66 Studebaker Lark windshields are the harder to find. Perhaps because Studebaker was tanking they made "just enough." If I recall correctly the 63 sedan/hard tops and the convertible/wagons through 66 all used the same windshield. But the 64-66 sedan/hard tops were 1/2 shorter in the upper corners. Go figure as to why???  As noted, there was a run of these windshield's made and so perhaps there is a hope Pinto's can get a similar action taken.


  The good news is that the Pinto glass seems to follow the form of modern windshields and as was the case with the Wheeler Dealer Saab perhaps there is something out there that can be used to cut a windshield suitable for the Pinto.  With CNC control and waterjet or lasers there may still be hope if there are people to take that angle. 


Side story #2: I also have a Corvair Station wagon. Talk about a rare windshield. For some reason the wagon windshield goes 2" higher. I was on vacation about 200 miles from home when I was in a Pick N' Pull. I saw a Corvair in the distance, as I got closer I got excited because it was a wagon and even more so once I saw it was unbroken.  I pulled it out (I recall paying about $20) and had to transport it another 200 miles to my brothers. I had a 3 and 5 year old and as their feet dangled over the windshield on the rear floor we had to constantly keep after them to not swing their feet. 


I left the windshield at my brothers and by happenstance my nephew was passing through having gone up to Oregon to pick up a piece of furniture for his boss.  When I returned from my vacation my nephew had picked up the windshield and delivered it to my home. Needless to say it was quite a surprise to see it (unbroken) when I walked in the door from my lengthy trip.  BTW, that was 25 years ago. Still waiting to do something with the Corvair.


If I couldn't have found another windshield I would have used a sedan version and just made a filler panel for the other 2" out of metal. Sometimes you have to function outside the box.

pinto_one

Yes I do know about the windsheld shortage ,  some cars the supply runs out and no more ,  also has a studebaker lark that needed one , (had a few of them )  could get one for the 1960 but not the 63 , that was around 1975 , now it hitting the pintos ,  the 1979 to 89 the windsheld is larger all around to get away from the rubber gasket and glue it in to make the car more stiff in that area , done my 73 with a 80 windsheld because I could not get a gasket , yes it can be done if you can find a window to put in , only you do not have the brackets and trim for the inside and you have to cut some of the headliner away for the sealent to stick , good part is it does not leak , One of the last great inprovements on the pinto , sad part the car was totaled in the process of moving to anther state but kept it because I had a place to put it because the windsheld was still good and have a 79 cruse wagon , one option that might work is a group buy , if you can find some company (thats still in the US ) to make them , just have to find out how many they would have to make to crank them out ,  its only going to get worse because they quit making the pinto 40 years ago
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

one2.34me


You're right Russ, I was hoping I had really found something. No such luck! Thanks for the tip Wittsend. I remember watching that episode of Wheeler Dealers, and was thinking it was a Monte Carlo they used to fab the Saab windshield from. Anyways, I watched the episode in French you listed and couldn't figure out who the glass guy was. There was no listing in the credits either, so I went back and watched the windshield section again and was able to make out the name of the company on the shirt that Eddy, (the guy who cut the windshield out), was wearing. It's Kotto Auto Glass in La Habra, Ca. I live about one mile away! I called them to get a price and Eddy is going to call me back. Thanks for posting that link. I'll post up what he has to say when he calls back. http://www.kottoautoglass.com/

Wittsend

There was an episode of Wheeler Dealer where they re-did a Saab. It had a cracked windshield and availability was nil. They then found a place that took a modern Chevy Impala windshield and cut the Saab windshield out of it. I can't find the episode in English but..., well, a picture is worth a thousand words (I hope). If you activate the closed captions (CC) and then go to the Settings (next option to the right of CC, it looks like a gear) you can get the subtitles translated to English.

  https://youtu.be/rxkg35S16e0?t=1605


Perhaps there is something similar to a Pinto windshield that can be a substitute.

russosborne

Quote from: one2.34me on September 30, 2019, 04:35:37 PM
You're welcome SC. I placed my order at windshieldstogo a few minutes ago and found out almost immediately that they have zero 1979-80 Pinto windshields available and would cancel my order. Sorry to get folks hopes up that there was a place we could buy our windshields at a reasonable price. So it's back to the drawing board. I've got a half notion to buy a 1/8" thick sheet of Lexan and keep my eyes pealed for constables!

That isn't good.
I had found them a while back, and was really hoping they had the windshields available.
Was waiting until I was ready for it before ordering it.
I hate places that get your hopes up only to dash them.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

Wittsend

Windshield availability is a BIG problem for what I'll call "lesser cars."  I'm sure if you have a vintage Mustang, Camaro etc. they are a non-issue. But older more obscure cars seem to be limited to the supply on hand. I bought a '64 Studebaker (Lark) Daytona on Ebay and surprise..., a crack in the windshield didn't show and was not in the verbal description. And I guess I need to take some of the blame for not asking.

I looked around locally (So. Cal.) to no avail. I kept getting referred a place in the mid-west. By the time it would have gotten to my house it would have been about $550. Oh, and by the way I asked the woman how many they had in stock since this was the ONLY place that had one. She said, "One." I asked her if they would be getting more and she said, "Not likely." About 5 years later I heard they acquired another "run" of an undisclosed volume.

In the end I found a guy 400 miles from my home who had two (used) windshields and wanted $100 each. Now knowing the rarity I purchased both. I spent ten hours making a cradle to fit in my sons Honda Civic in the hope he could get them home without them breaking. I literally fought for every 1/16" to get the glass as vertical as possible pulling out the seats and notching the plywood at every (mony) contact point with the car structure.


These windshields had plenty of scratches, both had a bullseye and one had an odd chunk of glass missing about the size of a nickel. Later he calls me and tells me that they are wagon/convertible windshields and have an extra 1/2" in the upper corner. He offered to try and cut the corners as he really had three but needed one for himself. While it worked the edges were coarse and I had to smooth them out. I used a repair kit on the bullseye but the results were marginal.  there was a deep 1/32" crack and over the past 5 years has grown to about 3/32"+.

After that I opted to purchase a windshield for my Pinto as a spare. At a Pick Your Part sale (50% off) it was slightly under $30 out the door and I consider a wise investment even if I never use it. And, no, sorry it is NOT for sale.  The point I'm trying to make is that if anyone has an opportunity to buy a windshield for a collector car DO IT!  You can swap mechanical parts. You can shape and weld in new metal. But you can't make new glass by yourself.

You might call around to wrecking yards and see if they have a windshield. You never know.

one2.34me

You're welcome SC. I placed my order at windshieldstogo a few minutes ago and found out almost immediately that they have zero 1979-80 Pinto windshields available and would cancel my order. Sorry to get folks hopes up that there was a place we could buy our windshields at a reasonable price. So it's back to the drawing board. I've got a half notion to buy a 1/8" thick sheet of Lexan and keep my eyes pealed for constables!

SpaceCowboy1979

Thanks
Went to a car show yesterday
No pintos

one2.34me

Thanks for the info Wittsend. SpaceCowboy1979, I'm going to order the windshield from windshieldstogo.com Their website has a quote form to see prices. It looks like the sedans and wagons use the same windshield. Apparently they offers windshield installation on the 1979-80 Pinto, but I don't see it listed for the 1971-78 Pintos. They have a warehouse close to me so I don't have to worry about shipping. JoeBob they do list a 1976 Bobcat windshield for $295.00. I've never dealt with this company before, so I don't know how good they are or if they even have the windshields they list. I'll find out Monday.

JoeBob


I called for days in the Denver area. Most shops said they could not get it. Others searched and then called me back with a no. Searching on the net there were sites that had fill in the blank search engines for their suppliers. This gave me one supplier for my 76. It cost me $700 plus $200 shipping.
A few months latter some one here mentioned Rock auto sold them one much cheaper than I payed. This was 3 years ago.
Bill
77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9

Wittsend


Have you seen this ..., it is actually on this site   https://www.fordpinto.com/pinto-faq/windshield-swaps-what-will-fit/


Otherwise I'd say start searching. There are glass suppliers and there are glass installers.  Most likely no will will have the windshield in stock and have to order it. These windshield suppliers are interesting.  When I had my daily driver (Protege) fixed they called the supplier when I got there and within an hour I was driving out.  Granted I got mine done within 20 miles of down town LA but it seemed about every 20 minutes a supplier was rolling into the shop with windshields.

SpaceCowboy1979

Are the 79 80 wagon windshields
The same as the
79 80 sedans?
And are you buying new
Where and how mutch?

one2.34me

Thanks Wittsend. I've removed the windshield from my '75 and it looks like the original gasket can be trimmed flat to glue a new windshield on to. I'm going to ponder that over the weekend like you suggested and more than likely buy the '79-'80 windshield Monday and give it a try. Thanks again.

Wittsend

I can't answer if it will physically fit, but my understanding is that the 71-78 use a rubber gasket and the 79-80 windshields are glued in.  If nothing in the windshield frame has changed it would seem the 79-80 windshields need to be  larger to "step over" the frame for a glue in mount as opposed to the 71-78 which are required to be smaller that the actual opening for the gasket to fit.

It MIGHT be that the 79-80 windshield will glue in but even if it does there may be trim issues. Sorry I can't give a definitive answer but at least I've given you something to ponder.

one2.34me


Will a 79-80 windshield fit into a 71-78 Pinto windshield frame? I can get a 79-80 windshield for less than half the price of a 71-78. It doesn't matter whether or not it looks stock/ good, just if it will fit. Thanks