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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Wittsend

I'm not trying to hinder a sale here, but Bill know what you are getting into. You will need 4.25" X 4 by 4.50" X 5 wheel adapters that run about $300 for a set of four.  Adapter (set of 2) https://www.amazon.com/Wheel-Adapter-Lug-4-25-4-5/dp/B008IJQTVO Add in another $30+ for lug nuts. These adapters will push the aready wide wheels outward about 1" to 1-1/2". I am no expert on ice and snow driving but you likely need tires specific to that climate.  Maybe others can help as to whether wider or narrower tires are better. But at least in this case these wider wheels will require a wide enough tire to fit properly.

So, you are probably looking at $350-ish for the adapters/lugs, likely no less than $450-$500 for proper tires plus whatever Russ wants for the wheels and shipping. This is likely going way over $1,000. And you will have a very wide placed, wide width tire that might have clearance issues.  Again, I'd advise you check with a reputable tire store to see if this is a proper course to remedy your problem. If they say this is appropriate THEN by all means proceed if you choose.

Any sleet, rain, snow, ice driving members out there that can help Bill as to what works best?

Wittsend


Quote from: LongTimeFordMan on December 05, 2018, 05:08:24 PM
Are there any pick a parts left down there?  They closed the one in sun valley.. turned it into an auction site..

Actually there were two self serve yards in Sun Valley. There is the large, corporate LKQ Pick Your Part (some mistakenly called it Pick A Part) over on Tuxford. It is still there. They still have a 40% off (use to be 50% off) roughly every month. But they nickel and dime you on EVERYTHING. It is $3 to get in the "Regular" yard and an additional $2 to get in the "Premo" yard. The place is poorly managed and on sale day check out can be an hour and a half – or more.
 
The yard you are referring to was U-Pick Part on Penrose. They never had sales but generally their prices were somewhat lower. A sad day when it closed. It was more of a quirky yard where the other is decidedly corporate.
 
I use to go to both yards monthly for over 15+ years. I'd pack a lunch and be there from 7AM to 6:30PM when they closed. I'd come home tired, filthy and HAPPY! But the past year or so I have not gone. The closing of U-Pick Parts cut the potential parts cars in half. And the "classic" section at the remaining Pick Your Part is two small rows of mid 80's Mercedes, early Miata's and the like.  Hardly classics in my books.
 
Picture is the last day U-Pick Parts was open.

russosborne

Couldn't seem to send anything by pm.
here are a couple of quick pictures.
I do have the center caps.
I'll take some better pictures later, I was rushing while heading out to the car to go to work when I took these.
the one just shows the current tire size, to give you an idea of what the rims take.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

JoeBob


Russ
I will take your offer. PM to follow.
Thank you
Bill
77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9

LongTimeFordMan

Are there any pick a parts left down there?  They closed the one in sun valley.. turned it into an auction site..
Red 1973 pinto wagon DD, SoCal desert car, Factory 4 speed, 3.40 gears, Stock engine, 14" rims and tires, 60 K original miles

Wittsend

In general I would agree. But his situation is that 205-60-13" tires are not conducive to the frost (and I assume snow) in his area.  If he goes to 205-70-14 he has nearly the same footprint. So, it seems proper tire compound and tread design is more of what needs to be changed. And in the 13" size it he can't get it even if the tire are sold as "All Season."


  I'm thinking if he can get a set of Fox body 14" steel wheels (used) and mount appropriate "snow" (or at least a better All Season) tire it is to his financial benefit. Aftermarket, especially alloy wheels are a lot of money spent for tires and wheels that only see a season each year. Here in So. Cal. the Pick Your Part has Madness Monday where you can buy a steel wheel with whatever tire is mounted for $7.00. They charge $3.00 to dismount the tire if you don't want it. A tire shop is going to charge you about the same as a disposal fee.  And sometimes you even get a decent tire too (but good luck finding a matching set of two..., or four).

LongTimeFordMan

I would upgrade to 14" wheels and tires..

American racing sells alloy rims with a 4 bolt ford pattern...

I have a set of 14" ones..

Not sure of the model numbers though..

I have a 3.40 rear end and 4 spd and the gearing works out well..3000 rpm at 70 mph with good off the line acceleration..

had to change to a 17 tooth speedo gear..

Discount tire, walmart, and a lot of places sell 205 70 14 tires for around $50-70
Red 1973 pinto wagon DD, SoCal desert car, Factory 4 speed, 3.40 gears, Stock engine, 14" rims and tires, 60 K original miles

Wittsend

Bill,
  This link does a good job of explaining wheel offset. https://www.wheelpros.com/page/offset-explained/9 It is important because offset moves the wheel/tire closer to the internal aspects of the car..., or outward closer to potential rubbing fender openings. And in extreme cases the tire won't even be able to turn because if it presses against a portion of the suspension.
 
In general I'd say tires bulge about 1" outside the wheel. And you probably want no less than 1/2" (better 1") clearance between the tire and anything it can rub against. So, for any wheel considered the inner edge of the wheel should be minimally 1-1/2" away from anything it might hit.  As I stated above one can measure from the face of the brake drum (or hub if disc brakes).  If you are looking at say... a 26" diameter tire hold a straight edge across the drum then at point 13"out from center  measure the distance to anything the wheel/tire would first hit. This then gets processed mathematically .
 
As an EXAMPLE (only): If you have a 6" wide wheel with zero offset that means that 3" of the wheel goes inward. You want that additional 1-1/2" for tire bulge and clearance. So the distance measured from the face of the brake drum to the first thing likely to be hit (on a Pinto/rear - the leaf spring) you would need a 4-1/2" measurement.
 
As Russell stated be careful about newer wheels (even though they have a 4.25 X 4 bolt pattern) as they are most often designed for front wheel drive cars and have significant positive offset (center moved inward).  I've also found the the wheel center hole is typically too small to fit over the Pinto hubs.  In general I think (but can't say 100%) you will find that just about any Fox body ('78-'93 Mustangs/'83-'88 Thunderbirds - Ford Fairmont and the Mercury version of all these mentioned cars) 14" or 15" wheels will fit and give adequate clearance. Remember too as I stated above that the taller the tire the more "bog" on acceleration and the difference also alters the speedometer reading.
 
What tires you find that actually work well in inclement weather is another story. Perhaps having a discussion with a reputable tire dealer would be beneficial.  That way they can direct you towards the proper type of tire, what is available in what size (as we all know the smaller wheel sizes are getting harder to find) and THEN you can start a search for the wheels that are most appropriate.


russosborne

Another option would be to look on Craigslist for fox body Mustang 15 inch wheels. The ones I have cost $100 for 4. And they're not bad. Somebody wanted bigger. Worked for me.
79 to 93 years. Stay away from the newer ones, the offset is different than these and while they can be used, you don't want to mess with the hassles it takes.
Summit racing sells them also, just tell them you want stock offset but 15 inch. Pick a few out on their website and post links here. We can help you with what works. 
Well, Summit only has a few. But fox mustangs are popular l know there are many more around.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Bill, where about are you located?
I have a set of fox mustang after market 15 inch wheels on the 79 that need to go away since I am converting to 5 lug. They have decent tires on them but might not be any better than yours in the weather.
Shipping might be a problem but I could take the tires off.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

JoeBob


I bought the mustang wheels last year. I bought the last ones in the yard. I did not inspect them closely, two were damaged. There are no more available.
I am trying to locate after market wheels, but have not had any luck yet. This is my driver. As it is now, I can not leave the house if the road is frosty. This is not a serious problem as I am retired.
I contacted a custom wheel manufacture to see if they carry blank wheels and can add the correct pattern per my request. They are going to call back. I do not understand much about cars. I understand measuring to see if tires fit, but don't under how that applies to offset. I am sure I need to understand this before I order. If anyone knows any aftermarket 15"wheels I would be grateful. As far as the availability of 15" tires in the future, I figure this purchase will out last me.
Bill
77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9

Wittsend

The more important question is, "What are you trying to accomplish?" The Ford Fox body cars came with 14", 15" and 16" wheels (steel and alloy) that are the same 4.25" X 4 pattern as the Pinto. Aftermarket wheels are also available. So, if you are just trying to get a different wheel size because there is more tire variety then you would not need adapters, just different wheels with the 4.25" X 4 pattern. Do note that I hear people complaining that even 15" tire are getting more difficult to find though I'd think they would be more available than 13" tires.

Tire bulge becomes a factor in wheel offset.  On the rear you can just measure with a straight edge from the brake drum face to the most likely point of contact - the leaf spring. A lot of times the leaf springs are not parallel so measure at the front and back at the anticipated bulge point of the tire.  On the front it gets a bit tricky because clearance issues arise from the turning of the wheels.  Hopefully someone here who has bought wheels can give you a better idea of the numbers that they had to work within. That all said Pinto's have very generous wheel opening. I have temporarily run 225-60-16" on my Pinto with minimal rubbing..., not that I recommend this (see image). On the rear I think I used about 1/4" of spacer and none on the front.

Lastly whenever the tire size is increased the diameter also increases unless one steps the tire series (70, 60, 50) down. I say that because a taller tire will have the same effect as a numerically lower ratio. That will be slower off the line and slower to gather speed. Also the speedometer reading will be off. So just a few things to consider.

Craiggarrett1969

You can use a mustang notchbacks 4 lug rim

JoeBob


I know this issue has been covered a 100 times. I was dumb and did not read about it then, because I did not need it at the time. I bought new Goodrich 205 60 13 all season tires. They are worthless if wet.  These are the only tires I could find 13" Is there such a thing as a 4 to 5 lug adapter? I may need custom wheels made. Do 15" wheels fit safely. I don't know the proper wording for this. what wheel depth or offset do I need.
Thank you
Bill
77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9