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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dick1172762

There are TWO Pinto 2.0L headers on E-bay at pinto manifold. Not cheap but look good in the pictures. There located in Canada and the postage is bad.
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dick1172762

I wonder if you could remove a 2.3L header plate that bolts onto the head and replace it with a 2.0L part. Most of the work would be done for you. Both engines use the same pipe size. We used to do that when big block chevy header were put on a 500" Cad engine. Was not too hard if you had a good welder handy. Only problem I can see would be the distance between exhaust ports. Pipes would flex some or be able to be heated some to move closer or further apart. Really sounds very easy and would give you a new header. Unite you 2.0L Pinto owners!
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Pintosopher

Quote from: dick1172762 on November 05, 2017, 01:00:14 PM
There is a company named Pacemaker or something like that the sell headers on E-bay for way too much money. About $200 each for 2.3L headers. They might make a header for a 2.0L. I believe they are out of Tulsa. Worth a try?
Pacesetter makes a 2.3  model for 74 -80 Pinto, Not Smog Legal in Hotel California... :P
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dick1172762

There is a company named Pacemaker or something like that the sell headers on E-bay for way too much money. About $200 each for 2.3L headers. They might make a header for a 2.0L. I believe they are out of Tulsa. Worth a try?
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dick1172762

For more on exhaust headers go to   http://www.mgexp.com/phorum/read.php?40,3172838   and read down the forum that comes up to post #8. Good info here.
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dick1172762

Brzezinski's web site shown in reply 13 above states that two primary's into one tail pipe will work better than two tail pipes. (on a v8). Sound like the old California bs story that you need back pressure in your exhaust to run properly. Never seen any test on the subject except that the back pressure of one 90 deg turn in the exhaust is equal to 20 feet of straight pipe. Some muffler mfg say you need back pressure / some say that no back pressure is the way to go. Zero back pressure is almost never reached in any form and in a street car its never reached. And the beat goes on, and the beat goes on.
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Pintosopher

Quote from: dick1172762 on November 02, 2017, 10:00:59 AM
Double outlet manifold looks like a 510 Datsun and as such would be a good mod for a 2.0L Pinto.
This is reinforced by us Mk1 Vw USA 1.8l owners with the infamous "toilet bowl" exhaust manifold. The hot non header solution and worthy of the change cost is the dual outlet manifold and downpipe. It's worth a few ponies and with a Audi TB will wake up the 95 hp GTI. Headers only complicate an already insane shift linkage, and make rack removal impossible.

Pintosopher, Simple is best, usually for the  better with stress management :P
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dick1172762

Double outlet manifold looks like a 510 Datsun and as such would be a good mod for a 2.0L Pinto.
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dick1172762

Take a look at  http://www.castheads.com/equipment-tools   for the very best in stock manifold honing. This is where the stock car people go.
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Pintosopher

Quote from: LongTimeFordMan on November 01, 2017, 01:34:07 PM
I do understand the limitations of the 2.0 and that you neex to match all of the elements, cam, intake and exhaust to tune for a specific power range.

I built a 2.0 for a capri that had an isky .465 lift 310 devree cam, 390 cfm holly 4 bbl carburetor, milled head and hooker header that ran from 4000 to 7000 and i drove it on the street in los angeles. But it had no power under 3000.

Now i just want a docile midrange street and highway driver.. to do road trips and daily driving in.

Power from 2000 to 4000 shifting at like 4000-5000.

I used the same cam grind in several mgb's with the same carb setup and seemed to get good flexibility and max revs at 6000 with a pushrod engine.

I do have a 4 spd so that belps and will be fitting an adjustable cam pulley to get some cam advance for low end torque. 

And the SU carbs offer a lot of tuning flexibility.

The only thing I am missing now is the crankshaft belt cog. Ive seen some on ebay ..are the 2.0 and 2.3 the same
My current Race motor Trw 10:1 pistons Norris cam 288deg duration .450 lift, 110 degree lobe centers . Still drivable on the street with the 4-1 hooker header and dual 40 DCOE weber sidedrafts. Torque not a issue , Cam not that radical and carbs small enough to be driveable.  Was a daily driver for non gridlock driving and had decent fuel mileage. No shortage of power 2500 to 6000 rpm. ran OK on Pump gas 92 octane, better on 108 Sunoco or octane boosters.
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Pintosopher

Quote from: LongTimeFordMan on November 01, 2017, 01:27:07 PM
By extrusion hone were you referring to porting and polishing the interrior passages of the cast iron manifold? 

Its not something I had considered but it does make sense.

I do have a spare cast iron manifold that I could work on.
Extrusion Hone is a specialized process whereby a abrasive putty is forced through a manifold ( intake or exhaust) and in the process opens the volume of the gas passages. BUT it doesn't remove large restrictive bends or reshape the sharp edges. It will open the volume of the ports and usually leaves a Brushed finish inside. Great for Intakes on EFI aluminum, but less effective on Iron and is no substitute for Flow bench monitored grinding to achieve improvements. It's something you send your parts out to have done. Not DIY stuff. It must be followed up with common sense exhaust design.
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

dick1172762

Quote from: Wittsend on November 01, 2017, 12:35:45 PM
The last header on the site (the $159 one) does look like it can be necked down before it turns under the car.  But a 2000 likely needs no more than a 2"-2-1/4" exhaust. And on the street likely the smaller of the two. I find it interesting that a lot of header story's I read in magazines long ago related to significantly large V-8's running through a 2" or under single exhaust. Well, of course headers with dual exhaust would improve that.


But on a street car unless the design is horrible headers likely make little difference.  One of my favorite articles was on a Mopar site where they tested a mildly modified 360 (300 HP-ish). They tested everything from the lowly 318 cast manifolds to $800+ TTI headers. The difference at between the bottom (cast 318) and the top (TTI headers) was a mere 10 HP and that was primarily above 5,000 RPM.


When one thinks about it the exhaust gasses have to push past the exhaust valve and make a 90 degree turn in the head before the exhaust manifold or header even comes into play to make a difference.  That is a lot of restriction to factor before the cast manifold or header.  Look too at a turbo motor (such as the T/C). The log manifold does not show any similarity to a smooth flowing header. Then throw in the restriction of the turbine wheel and one would think there is a real issue. But, apparently all the air shoved in on the front end seems to find an efficient exit regardless.


  I'm not imply in that some systems don't need help nor that some headers don't help. But if an aftermarket system shows improvement it is likely in a higher RPM range than any street car will likely benefit from. And as Dick points out probably reduces low end torque in the process.


Question, this site seems to sell the same header for the 2000 and the 2.3.  Do they in fact have the same configuration? If so don't some of the Rangers have a decent designed cast manifold?
The headers look the same but they will not interchange. Schoenfeld in the early 70's made a very nice 2.0L Pinto header for the street but as all go things go, they no longer make one. Hedman made a two piece header in the 70's and 80's that fit like a glove and made the most power. I see one on E-bay about once a year but all are used and in sad shape. All 2.0L Pinto headers will crack sooner or later due to the really strange vibration at rpm. On a street car who knows? Doesn't mater very much because 2.0L headers are as rare as the engines are now days. Any thing you do to the exhaust system (headers / bigger tail pipes / etc) will cost you torque unless other mods are made at the same time. All of the magazine story's about 50 hp increase are just that, a story!
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LongTimeFordMan

I do understand the limitations of the 2.0 and that you neex to match all of the elements, cam, intake and exhaust to tune for a specific power range.

I built a 2.0 for a capri that had an isky .465 lift 310 devree cam, 390 cfm holly 4 bbl carburetor, milled head and hooker header that ran from 4000 to 7000 and i drove it on the street in los angeles. But it had no power under 3000.

Now i just want a docile midrange street and highway driver.. to do road trips and daily driving in.

Power from 2000 to 4000 shifting at like 4000-5000.

I used the same cam grind in several mgb's with the same carb setup and seemed to get good flexibility and max revs at 6000 with a pushrod engine.

I do have a 4 spd so that belps and will be fitting an adjustable cam pulley to get some cam advance for low end torque. 

And the SU carbs offer a lot of tuning flexibility.

The only thing I am missing now is the crankshaft belt cog. Ive seen some on ebay ..are the 2.0 and 2.3 the same
Red 1973 pinto wagon DD, SoCal desert car, Factory 4 speed, 3.40 gears, Stock engine, 14" rims and tires, 60 K original miles

LongTimeFordMan

By extrusion hone were you referring to porting and polishing the interrior passages of the cast iron manifold? 

Its not something I had considered but it does make sense.

I do have a spare cast iron manifold that I could work on.
Red 1973 pinto wagon DD, SoCal desert car, Factory 4 speed, 3.40 gears, Stock engine, 14" rims and tires, 60 K original miles

Wittsend

I have a friend who builds race engines for a living. He build the engine for the record setting car below.  He once stated to me that, "You can only get so much torque out of a specific bore & stroke... it's where you put it in the RPM range that determines the HP." That is even more true with these smaller engines because comparatively they have less torque.

Pintosopher

Quote from: LongTimeFordMan on November 01, 2017, 01:06:54 PM
Hi.. thanks for the input...

I sorta had doubts about  the benefit of a header over the factory cast iron manifold and had pretty much decided to stick with my factory manifold but my cam grinder suggested the header.

I will be using a 274 degree .440 lift cam, .040 head milling and a custom manifold for 2 SU HIF carburetors, pertronix ign.

Mostly just want some fuel mileage and midrange power 2000-4000 rpm for street and fwy driving.
Possibly, given your engine mods, you could benefit from a Extrusion hone of the Stock exhaust manifold. Better flow within the stock casting, and easier than sourcing a UK manifold.
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

LongTimeFordMan

Hi.. thanks for the input...

I sorta had doubts about  the benefit of a header over the factory cast iron manifold and had pretty much decided to stick with my factory manifold but my cam grinder suggested the header.

I will be using a 274 degree .440 lift cam, .040 head milling and a custom manifold for 2 SU HIF carburetors, pertronix ign.

Mostly just want some fuel mileage and midrange power 2000-4000 rpm for street and fwy driving.
Red 1973 pinto wagon DD, SoCal desert car, Factory 4 speed, 3.40 gears, Stock engine, 14" rims and tires, 60 K original miles

Pintosopher

I wonder since the issue of a Header is for improved volumetric efficiency ( on a stock engine internally) and possibly better fuel economy is relevant, given the space restrictions and cooking the Battery in its stock location. My (currently unavailable Hooker Super Comp 4-1) header didn't work well with a stock intake and engine Until I installed the Weber 38 DGAS non progressive 2 bbl carb. Then the extra fuel and punch down low really woke up the torque delivery.
Look at the Pinto 2.0L Headers in Burton Power's web site (Simpson) and you can see why tubular headers have limited usage on street cars and the Pinto is a tight fit for even those with modifications to motor mounts. A rally engine is too hot to pass a smog test and these headers are off road usage primarily.
So find a UK SOHC 2.0L cast iron manifold and then pat yourself on the back :D

There's a UK member on this site with a 73 wagon that's gone through this with his "Donkey"
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Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Wittsend


The last header on the site (the $159 one) does look like it can be necked down before it turns under the car.  But a 2000 likely needs no more than a 2"-2-1/4" exhaust. And on the street likely the smaller of the two. I find it interesting that a lot of header story's I read in magazines long ago related to significantly large V-8's running through a 2" or under single exhaust. Well, of course headers with dual exhaust would improve that.


But on a street car unless the design is horrible headers likely make little difference.  One of my favorite articles was on a Mopar site where they tested a mildly modified 360 (300 HP-ish). They tested everything from the lowly 318 cast manifolds to $800+ TTI headers. The difference at between the bottom (cast 318) and the top (TTI headers) was a mere 10 HP and that was primarily above 5,000 RPM.


When one thinks about it the exhaust gasses have to push past the exhaust valve and make a 90 degree turn in the head before the exhaust manifold or header even comes into play to make a difference.  That is a lot of restriction to factor before the cast manifold or header.  Look too at a turbo motor (such as the T/C). The log manifold does not show any similarity to a smooth flowing header. Then throw in the restriction of the turbine wheel and one would think there is a real issue. But, apparently all the air shoved in on the front end seems to find an efficient exit regardless.


  I'm not imply in that some systems don't need help nor that some headers don't help. But if an aftermarket system shows improvement it is likely in a higher RPM range than any street car will likely benefit from. And as Dick points out probably reduces low end torque in the process.


Question, this site seems to sell the same header for the 2000 and the 2.3.  Do they in fact have the same configuration? If so don't some of the Rangers have a decent designed cast manifold?

dick1172762

This header is NOT suited for the street! The header is very nice in every way except its a race car header with large tubing and an even larger collector (3 inch), and as such, it would be hard to connect up to the exhaust system (3" down to 13/4") plus the motor mount problem stated above. Why would you want a header on a 100% street driven Pinto. You need to turn a 2.0L above 4000 rpm to gain any power out of a header. In fact a header on a street driven Pinto would likely cost you low end torque. Not a good idea.
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Pintosopher

The Motor Mount has to be modified for clearance. Since the Unibody frame rails on the 74 pinto was wider and the early 74 cars were offered with 2.0L motors, before the Intro of the 2.3L. It's possible that a 2.0L in a 74 chassis needs no mods . It's likely that a 73 will need the mount clearanced to install this header. ( per Schoenfeld web site)
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

LongTimeFordMan

does anyone have any experience fitting a Schoenfeld header to a stock bodied 73 2.0 pinto.

I've been reading that you need to modify it to fit past the engine mount.
Red 1973 pinto wagon DD, SoCal desert car, Factory 4 speed, 3.40 gears, Stock engine, 14" rims and tires, 60 K original miles