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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dick1172762

How about using a suction gun????
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Wittsend

For clarification to the original poster and to avoid further confusion the "Third Member" is also known by "The Center Section", "The Carrier", "The Pumpkin" and sometimes just "The Rear End."

pinto_one

Forgot to say if the rear end did come with the car the tag should still be there , I just installed a new position unit in my pinto , the lube I brought has the additive in it , takes 2.25 quarts , I taped the bottom of mine and installed a drain plug , and also tossed a old speaker magnet inside to collect the metal fuzz that plays havoc with the bearings
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

Jdm071755

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pinto_one

Look and see if there is a I'd tag , it will be under one of the nuts that hold the pumpkin, the car could have been ordered with that rear end or was installed a long time ago with the idea of a turbo or a V8 ,  the tag will look like this , the lower numbers will tell you the ratio , this one says 3.40 , so it is a 3.40 to 1 , if it has a posa the numbers would read 3L.40 , next number is a 8 , so it is an 8 inch
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

Wittsend

It's a 8" rear end. The 8" flattens on the top and bottom where as a 9" is round. See for yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca85RyHKNzs .

Poor guy is really getting confused with T-5 lubrication recommendations and 9" speculations.  As far as has been mentioned he has a stock 1980 Cruise Wagon with the factory 4 speed (he mentioned German trans) and an 8" rear end (visible by the pictures in post #7). Use GL-4 for the transmission and either GL-4 or GL-5 for the rear end.  Also see below about the mentioned additive IF you have traction lock.

The easiest way to know if you have a traction lock (sometimes call "limited slip") system is to safely jack up both rear wheels. Turn one wheel. If they both turn in the same direction you have traction lock. If the opposing wheel turns in the reverse direction you have what is referred to as an "open" rear end. Should you find you have a traction lock system (I doubt it, but you never know) you need to investigate what is the proper additive. I have no experience to make an additive recommendation. But it was a good point made to consider when replacing fluids in the rear end.

Jdm071755

Quote from: Reeves1 on June 04, 2017, 05:54:11 AM
I'm not up on OEM Pinto diffs..... that looks like it may be a 9" ?

If so, it may have a traction lock ?
If so, it will also need friction modifier.
Ok now this complicates things a bit if it's a 9 inch rear end. I wanted to replace the brakes and pull the axels to check the bearings  now not sure what parts to get.


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Jdm071755

Quote from: Reeves1 on June 04, 2017, 05:54:11 AM
I'm not up on OEM Pinto diffs..... that looks like it may be a 9" ?

If so, it may have a traction lock ?
If so, it will also need friction modifier.
Thanks

Not sure what' rear is in there it was like this when I bought it. It's a 1980 cruzing  wagon


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Reeves1

I'm not up on OEM Pinto diffs..... that looks like it may be a 9" ?

If so, it may have a traction lock ?
If so, it will also need friction modifier.

Wittsend

A couple of things to bring this together:

1. You car doesn't have a T-5 unless it was a 5 speed swap. Even if it did there were some early T-5's that used gear oil, or an after the fact recommendation of a gear oil/ATF mixture. So, ATF in a T-5 is not a complete given.

2.  Since you state it is a German trans we can assume it is a factory 4 speed. It more than likely specs GL-4 as the gear oil. Be watchful because GL-5 is often what you find and they hint (the old "meets or exceeds") that it is OK to use because it exceeds GL-4. However, there are a lot of warnings out there that something in the GL-5 eats the brass syncro's in the trans.  So, go with GL-4 only (specifically) in the trans. You just have to find it.

3. I'm not exactly sure why the center section of the rear end (where the gears are) is called the third member.  Perhaps because the axles count as one & two??? The term is also more commonly used on the rear end that you have (Ford 8") because that front section is removable as a unit with the gears.  It is what you see in the first picture in post #7. The lesser Pinto rear end, the 6-3/4," has the center section and the axle tubes as one unit and the gears have to be fitted into it. It has a simpler stamped steel cover for access.

4. Yes, a lot of cars have no drain plug, you have to pull covers and let it flow.  Some people drill a hole, weld on a nut and use a gasketed bolt to help the "next time" they need to do the task. I do it to my Auto Trans pans and it does make the process nicer.

Without the drain plug on the 8" rear end you have to loosen the whole third member and run the risk of damaging the gasket. Which becomes a pain to replace because you then have to drop the drive shaft, pull the brake backing plates and slide out the axles. On the 6-3/4" it is easier because the cover simply slides off.  So, keep that in mind if you opt to change the fluid in your 8". If you find the fill plug you might consider removing the fluid by suction (though thick as it is...).

The rear end has no brass in it so so you can use GL-4 or GL-5 in it.

65ShelbyClone

It's that big hunk of cast iron in the rear end that that the driveshaft goes into.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

Jdm071755

Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on June 03, 2017, 08:06:28 PM
The fill plug is probably on the driver's side of the third member.

There is no drain plug. You have to pull the third member to drain the fluid, which is BS in my opinion. If your trans is the stock 4-spd, then it's probably the same way: a fill plug and no drain.

Sta-Lube is my go-to for GL-4 gear oil for use in older transmissions. Redline MT-90 is also GL-4, but I would only use it for very long drain intervals or hard driving.

Thanks
Please excuse my inexperienced but what is the third member




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65ShelbyClone

The fill plug is probably on the driver's side of the third member.

There is no drain plug. You have to pull the third member to drain the fluid, which is BS in my opinion. If your trans is the stock 4-spd, then it's probably the same way: a fill plug and no drain.

Sta-Lube is my go-to for GL-4 gear oil for use in older transmissions. Redline MT-90 is also GL-4, but I would only use it for very long drain intervals or hard driving.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

Jdm071755

The only thing the manual says it's a German trans


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Quote from: Jdm071755 on June 03, 2017, 01:11:04 PM
Ok dick so use atf in the trans?


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Quote from: Jdm071755 on June 03, 2017, 01:13:52 PM
Ok checking the rear end and I do not see any drain or fill plugs


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Jdm071755

Ok checking the rear end and I do not see any drain or fill plugs


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Jdm071755

Ok dick so use atf in the trans?


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dick1172762

Forgot that MTL will not work in a T-5 as they use ATF. Redline makes ATF so no problem.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Reeves1

https://www.penngrade.com/penngrade-1/gear-lubricants/


I had to get special oil for my Super T-10. It's green in color.....it's out in the shop & I'll get info later.


Some of the new oils cannot be used in "classics".


QuoteMulti-Purpose 'Classic' Gear Oil GL-4 SAE 80W-90 (7729), 85W-140 (7735)


•Used with "yellow" metallurgy (brass, bronze, copper) and other 'soft' metals used in synchronizers, bushings, thrust washers and other components typically found in classic manual transmissions and transaxles


•Best for traditional manual transmissions, Muncie, Rockwell, NVG/New Process, Borg-Warner, Saginaw and Ford and many imports, including Nissan UD trucks, Mitsubishi Fuso trucks, Volvo trucks, and Mercedes Benz truck manual transmissions,  transmissions/transaxles on Nissan cars and SUVs, Mitsubishi vehicles and Suzuki vehicles calling for a GL-4 level lubricant

Jdm071755

As always thank you for your advise..

Joe
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dick1172762

Red Line MTL is the best bar none.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Jdm071755

I want to Change the fluids in the manual trans and rear end. Can anybody recommend a good product?


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