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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

1972 Instrument Cluster Brake Light

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1972 Wagon

Success! The cluster brake light works! We went out to switch the brake and alternator lights around and replace the very dim speedometer illumination light. The entire cluster is now fully lit. I can clearly see the speedometer and the gas gauge. All cluster lights work as they should. The only stubborn one was the brake light. We again switched bulbs and sockets but to no avail. Then I popped the hood and wiggled the brake warning light connector at the pressure differential valve. I had done this in the past and the light still didn't work. I got back in the car, turned the key, and the cluster brake light lit! I tried the turning the key several times and each time the brake light lit as it should. At least if the light stops working I now know what I need to do.Thanks again, Blaine, for the sockets and cluster regulator. Hopefully this is the last time I have to pretzel myself for awhile. Going to take some Advil for a stiff neck!
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

1972 Wagon

 Our success was short lived. We just went out to see how bright the cluster was as it is easiest to check when it is dark. The pig tailed light is the alternator light and not the brake light as I discovered when I put the ignition into the Accessory spot and the brake light came on. Going back out now to change it back. We also need to check one illumination bulb for the speedometer as the right side is very dim. At least the nonworking fuel gauge is now very well-lit! So we still have a nonworking brake light. I wish we could take a Mississippi trip! We don't travel any more as there is no one to take care of my folks. Even last Friday's Moultrie Car Swap excursion had to be a day trip which was exhausting but fun.
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

pinto_one

Well first thing you will have to have a volt meter to check to see if the alternator is working , if key on engine not running the ALT should be on , key on engine running the ALT should go out , and battery voltage should be 14 to 14.2 volts , if so charging system is good , have to do some checking for you on the wireing , on the fuel gauge you have to make sure when you pull the plug off the fuel tank sender you must have a good ground to the wire to double check , the next thing you could check is the plug that comes from the back of the car to the front , might have some corrosion on one of the pins , remove the panel next to the dimmer switch , look in the hole behind it , the plug should be there , if all else fails take a weekend vacation and drive over here and I can fix it all for you ,  ;D
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1972 Wagon

Blaine's Pinto care package arrived Wednesday and today we had time to install the instrument cluster sockets and the cluster regulator that he sent. This time I removed the multi-pin connector and it disconnected easily. After the struggle with the speedometer cable that was a pleasant surprise. While the cluster was out, I replaced the brake light bulb (pig tailed socket) and it lit. However, when the bulb was placed into the cluster spot, the alternator light lit. I realized that years ago, someone had switched the alternator socket with the pig tailed brake socket. Now the issue is that the alternator light doesn't work. The bulb is brand new and we even tried switching the socket with ones from Blaine. The alternator and battery are brand new and the car starts perfectly. What do I need to check? The "new" cluster regulator didn't make my gas gauge work but at least I can rule that out as a possible cause. Getting the brake light into the correct spot may be a small victory but it is a move in the right direction!
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

1972 Wagon

Thanks for the suggestions, Blaine! I had wondered about the IVR but didn't know if a bad one would also make the cluster lights fail. As I said, we have very limited mechanical knowledge and the Ford Shop Manuals we have often don't have easy-to-understand explanations or good diagrams. My owner's manual states: "Dual Braking System Warning-- When ignition key is turned to Start position, the light (Brakes) glows red until engine starts." Is the brake shuttle valve located right under the master cylinder? The part I found has a pigtail connected and there are what I assume to be brake lines also connected. I didn't pull the pigtail out as there is a lot of crud on it and I didn't want to contaminate it if it wasn't the correct part! Thanks again for helping.
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

pinto_one

Ok , fuel sender unit was tested by grounding the wire at the tank, make sure when you do that wait at least 10 seconds to make sure , they do work very slowly , next it could be your TVR, it is located behind the insrument panel , it lowers the votage to 5 volts for the fuel gauge and they go bad with age , will look and see if I have one , on the dash brake light I have to check that one, been a long time on the pig tail light , also it might be that it does not come on when you crank the engine , you have to remove the wire on the brake shuttle valve under the hood and ground it to check it , in 74 they quit using the pigtail , have to remember that this is a very simple car but a reliable one too, but keep it inside to save it and drive it  , letting them sit is very bad . hope this helps , tomorrow I will dig up the parts for you and send monday , later Blaine
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1972 Wagon

The fuel sending unit test was done and the gauge didn't budge. We had the sending unit and float repaired about 20 years ago and within a year it stopped working. After that, I kept a notebook with the mileage recorded so we wouldn't run out of gas. The alternator and engine lights come on as the engine is started and then go off. I had forgotten that the brake light should come on as well. Senior moment! I knew the light should come on if a brake issue was detected (Had a master cylinder leak one time and remembered the light.) The Pinto has been sitting in our garage for probably 8 or 9 years without being driven. We occasionally started it and had nicknamed it the Zombie Car because sometimes it would not turn off and/ or the starter would not disengage. The last time it was started was a few years ago and the battery exploded. The hood has a small dent as a reminder of that event! After that, the car collected dust. In September, we had the Pinto towed to our mechanic for fluid changes, new battery, new tires, and mechanical checkup so that it would be road worthy. We like to do minor repairs such as chasing vacuum leaks  and such because it is within our very limited capabilities! I appreciate the suggestions that you have provided as sometimes the manuals are Greek to me! The Pinto has always been my 90 year old dad's favorite car and he is enjoying seeing it on the road again.
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

pinto_one

Well I would wait untel I send you those bulb sockets, I would not remove the panel too many times because you have a chance to mess up the printed circuit board in the back , they are very thin , does other lights come on when you crank the car , like the engine lite , if not might check the fuse or clean them , to check the fuel gauge is easy , find the wire plug to the gas tank , it's on the driver side , one wire , unplug it , get a short piece of wire and strip both ends , have someone turn on key and touch one end of wire to the bumper and the other inside the plug where the fuel sender unit stud goes , the gauge should go to full, if it does the tank sender is bad , if it does not you TVR on the circuit board is bad , or no power , which might explane why the brake and engine light on the panel does not work ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

1972 Wagon

The brake light doesn't come on at all, even when I am starting the car. It has been many years since I have driven the Pinto and it has taken me a while to remember its "quirks." I even had to resort to reading the owner's manual to jog my memory that the brake light should light momentarily when starting the engine! If the bulb needs to be seated better in the printed circuit, I'll do my pretzel act again and reseat the bulb. Never thought to crank the engine when the cluster was out to test the brake light. My main concern was to be able to see the speedometer (Gas gauge hasn't worked in years!). I wasn't sure where the bulb's power source was and wanted to make sure that it was connected.
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

pinto_one

The light only comes on when you cranking the engine to test the bulb , the only other time it will come on is when you have a half a brake failure,  eather the front or rear brake system , the switch for that is under the master cylinder in the engine bay , it has one (or two) wires plugged into it , with the duel system both sides have equal pressure untel one side fails , a shuttle valve will move to one side and the switch will make the dash brake lite come on ,  later pintos had a extra switch for the brake handle between the seats to let you know you had the hand brake on , it used the same lite , yours does not have it ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

1972 Wagon

All my instrument cluster lights now work except for the brake light which has the pigtail. As the light is supposed to only come on briefly when the engine is started, it is difficult to check if it is working. Is it powered by the pigtail or the cluster printed circuit? If it's the circuit, I may just need to tighten it some. That worked with the fuel gauge light. If I understood the electrical schematic (I'm not very good at interpreting them!) the pigtail wires run to the brake pedal switch and then to the master cylinder. Before the rain started, I was able to check the master cylinder connection, which though externally dirty, seemed tight. The rain started and I couldn't get the brake pedal connection checked. The brakes and emergency brake work fine as well as the rear brake lights. Suggestions?
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976