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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dga57

Hi Brian!  Long time, no see.  Thanks for the good information!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Cookieboystoys

currently Walmart's across the USA are closing out Douglass Xtract II tires - I just picked up 6 - 175/70/13's for $21 each and 2 - 155/80/13's for $19 each. I also picked up a couple 14's last weekend for one of my Pinto's for around $25 each. Might be worth checking your local Walmart while supplies last...
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

bbobcat75

personally going to up grade to 4 lug 15" mags / bean holes - 15" tires WAY!!! easier to find a TON of different sizes plus can still get raised white letters - and going to mount factory center caps to 15" wheel so will still have a "factory look" my last set of 13" bfg goodrich tires separated and are over 15 years old!!  but good luck to your search!!!
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pinto_one

If got a C-4 off of a 2.8 in a pinto or mustang II, it will bolt to the 2.9. Flywheel also , you also have to use the 2.8 oil pan ,

76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

C. M. Wolf

It's perfectly understandable wanting to keep your pinto as stock as possible, which is why I mentioned doing so,(and why I'm offering a set of 13" AL Ford Rims for them, to whomever might wish to purchase them.). ;)

As for my Lil'Pony, I'm afraid I might have too much that needs to be replaced on/in it & I'm still trying to work within a budget too. So keeping it perfectly stock just may not be in the cards.. That, & I happen to think this lil Porthole Wagon would make just the Cutest Lil'Pony-Hot Rod! lol I might as well Hot-Rod it, it started it's life as a Squire Wagon & I just can't bring myself to glue the "Faux-Wood-Crate" back onto it. lol

Now for me comes the hard part.. Finding a Cologne/Germany, 2.9L V-6 engine that will mate straight up to the C-4 auto-trans that's in it at this time. I'm still trying to find out just what years the Ranger engines that will mate into the 73 Pinto.. Then I guess the second challenges will be headers & the engine accessory brackets that will also fit under the hood. The Body-work,(air dams, wheel-flares, hood-scoop, front-grill, etc), I can all make from scratch & mold in very well. I can even do my own paint job, including air-brushing my own design details on 'er.

But if anyone has any 2.9L engine mating specs they might share, I'd be most grateful.. and Many Thanks. ;)

Michael

C. M. Wolf

It's perfectly understandable wanting to keep your pinto as stock as possible, which is why I mentioned doing so,(and why I'm offering a set of 13" AL Ford Rims for them, to whomever might wish to purchase them.). ;)

As for my Lil'Pony, I'm afraid I might have too much that needs to be replaced on/in it & I'm still trying to work within a budget too. So keeping it perfectly stock just may not be in the cards.. That, & I happen to think this lil Porthole Wagon would make just the Cutest Lil'Pony-Hot Rod! lol I might as well Hot-Rod it, it started it's life as a Squire Wagon & I just can't bring myself to glue the "Faux-Wood-Crate" back onto it. lol

Now for me comes the hard part.. Finding a Cologne/Germany, 2.9L V-6 engine that will mate straight up to the C-4 auto-trans that's in it at this time. I'm still trying to find out just what years the Ranger engines that will mate into the 73 Pinto.. Then I guess the second challenges will be headers & the engine accessory brackets that will also fit under the hood. The Body-work,(air dams, wheel-flares, hood-scoop, front-grill, etc), I can all make from scratch & mold in very well. I can even do my own paint job, including air-brushing my own design details on 'er.

But if anyone has any 2.9L engine mating specs they might share, I'd be most grateful.. and Many Thanks. ;)

Michael

dga57

Quote from: C. M. Wolf on May 15, 2016, 01:21:23 AM

If a 13" tire/wheel is what you're insisting on for your Pinto projects,(I don't understand 'why'.. this design still allows larger diameter wheels without reworking the body/suspension like in newer cars..)

Actually, I DO insist on it because I want my car to remain as stock as possible.  I think it's great that the Pinto design lends itself well to using larger wheels and tires but, no matter what anyone says, they never look stock when you do.  I think the big problem is that I'm old enough to remember what these things looked like coming out the factory... and bought one new in 1974 when I was sixteen.  Stock appearance isn't important to everyone but, for those to whom it is, it is non-negotiable.  That's why.

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

C. M. Wolf

Ever since someone reminded our Govt that larger & narrower diameter wheels got better gas mileage & actually saved wear & tear on the vehicles,(if geared correctly for engine rpm/torques)...
W.Bush signed in a "Large Wheel Reg" so that Car Makers had to build vehicles with larger tires(of course like everything Govt touches, it became MORE expensive also, & Tire Makers began dropping the smaller sized tires altogether). Sorry about that Folks.. but I've been trying to get people to understand this since the 70's.. Now if I can just get people to understand that waiting for Govt to fix things isn't the answer..

..anyways..

If a 13" tire/wheel is what you're insisting on for your Pinto projects,(I don't understand 'why'.. this design still allows larger diameter wheels without reworking the body/suspension like in newer cars..), you'll likely have to "Special Order" them from U.S. Tire Makers in the near future, or risk running "Trailer Tires" on these cars. I recommend trading up the Pinto rims to something 15" & a narrow/shallow profile tire instead. (I've already been this avenue on a few Aircooled-VW projects I've done). Either that or figure out out to keep Govt & Corporate/Industries from "Key-holing" your choices in life.

..Oh & if there is anyone that's still insisting on those cute lil' 13" stock sized tires for their Pinto, I've a set of 13" AL Dish "Ford Pinto"(actually Labeled-"Ford" on the inside of the wheels), rims I can be talked out of soon. ;) Let me know in a PM, if you wish.

IHTH,

Michael

dga57

I just bought five new ones for a project I'm working on - whitewalls, no less - on eBay.  17580R13 to go on stock steel wheels for a stock look.  I haven't really spoken about this project yet - too soon to divulge details, but it's one I'm definitely excited about!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pinto1600

I've two 13" tires off the rim I'd be looking to sell, tires look brand new. I've also got a set 14" tires off a Ford Mustang with the same bolt pattern as the Pinto I'm looking to lose, big/little's. Call me if you interested, I'll be at Carlisle this next month I can bring them with me.


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Wittsend

The wheel does not dictate the hub/axle. Rather it is the other way around. The criteria is:

1. 4.25" (108mm) X 4 bolt pattern.

2.  The wheel center hole ideally matching the Pinto size - otherwise larger than... with lug-centric bolting.

3. Appropriate wheel offset to avoid suspension or body contact.

The Pinto has rather generous wheel openings. 15" tires, as long as sized appropriately should fit without much concern. As far as the rotors go, you are only increasing the distance in the vertical plane. The only concern would be the center section of the wheel possibly hitting the caliper. But, being most cars today have a similar arrangement a large majority of wheels should fit.  The wheels/tires in my side image are 225-60-15" with aftermarket alloy wheels from a 80's era T-Bird.  I didn't like the look much so they are no longer in use.

D1

I was hoping this thread would get me the tires I need for my wagon, but NOOOOO  ;D I see some of you went with a 15" tire. What rotor/hub axle to you use to get them to accept the 15" rim?
Thanks
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one2.34me

Wow... sounds like a Coker reproduction tire.

Starsky and Hutch

One fellow found me some for 180.00 a tire , that`s a insane price
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pinto_one

looked on line also and found the same , yes you can get the opt tire (195/70/R13 ) but you have to order around 500 of them from overseas ,  I now got 205/60/R15 all around now , but one day someone might buy a container load of the hard to get tires ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

one2.34me

Here are a few original sized tires. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like any of these are made in the USA. Also, my local America's Tire dealer had 13" tires available to order.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?width=175%2F&ratio=70&diameter=13&rearWidth=255%2F&rearRatio=40&rearDiameter=17&zip-code=

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?width=185%2F&ratio=70&diameter=13&rearWidth=255%2F&rearRatio=40&rearDiameter=17&zip-code=


I ended up going with 15" wheels, for a selection of higher performance tires. I purchased a set of 195/55-15 BFG Sport Comp2's. It's an excellent tire and USA made.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=g-Force+Sport+COMP-2&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=955VR5GFSPC2&tab=Specs


robertwwithee

I'm on pro meter brand now.

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Wittsend

Note: I'm assuming that looking at the image of your car you are looking for tires that are wider/lower profile than stock.
They are out there, but they are off brand names sold through more obscure internet sellers. Note that even the Tire Rack mostly has racing oriented 13" tires or stock sized tires. The Federal Formoza brand is one of the more typical. Here is an example in 205-60-13" http://superbuytires.com/tires/model/Federal/FORMOZA+FD1/?tire_specs_id=280546&show_sizes=Y

If you are just driving around town asking for 13" tire you will likely get a big "NO." If you go to the name internet sites the chances are slim.  But internet searches will provide you with sources like I describe.  Generally expect to pay $50-$60 plus shipping.

My collector cars see about 200 miles a year. So, I've resorted to buying 13" tires (used) as I find them.  Craigslist has provided 3 virtually new 175-70-13 Sumitumo HTR200's, all for $35. Pick Your Part has provided 2 of the same Sumitumo HTR200's in 205-60-13 for about $11 each. I've also gotten 3 of the Federal Formoza 205-60-13 tires mentioned above at a swap meet, $30 for all.  My Pinto and my Sunbeam Tiger share the same 13" tires and bolt pattern so I have lots of opportunity to "mix N' match."

dick1172762

They still make them for sale in England and Mexico. I just bought a set of 205-60-13 off of E-bay that were made in USA. Keep looking.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

pinto_one

I know , you can find the smaller 13 inch tire but not the good ones , (unless you live overseas ) a few years ago I had a hard time finding the 195 / 70 / R13 , that I had on mine , and think I got the last set but last year I ran over a lawn mower deck that fell out of some jerks truck and blew out a tire , got three good used ones if anybody is interested ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

Starsky and Hutch

Need tires no one as them new for sale
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