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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Gas Monkey / Fast N' Loud have a '73 Pinto for sale

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dianne

Mine was brown, Dave called it Brownie before I bought it. I love Pintos in yellow :D
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

pinto_one

got to remember that the color on that car is faded , and being a lot brighter will bring the car out from being unugly (new word here ) . now I am having to do repairs to my pinto and now thinking of a whole repaint because of the damage ,  but to the one that think yellow does not look good check this one out ,but I am not going yellow , too big of a change from brown ???
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

dianne

Quote from: Reeves1 on October 18, 2015, 03:22:35 PM
If he is right in the head, and the price says no, he will change the color  ;D

Yeah he should reeves, to a very bright yellow that pops :D
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

If he is right in the head, and the price says no, he will change the color  ;D

dianne

Quote from: Reeves1 on October 17, 2015, 08:01:51 AM
Having started on my blue car, I feel I can safely say that (ugly yellow) can will need a great deal of metal/rust  cut out. Seams will be loaded with rust. All around the rear quarters. Back of rockers & much more.
Is it fixable ? Yes. But if not done (well) by the owner, the cost of having a body shop do it would be far too expensive.
With paint, I could see the cost above 15k.

That's true, unless the owner restores that BEAUTIFUL yellow car himself ;)
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

Having started on my blue car, I feel I can safely say that (ugly yellow) can will need a great deal of metal/rust  cut out. Seams will be loaded with rust. All around the rear quarters. Back of rockers & much more.
Is it fixable ? Yes. But if not done (well) by the owner, the cost of having a body shop do it would be far too expensive.
With paint, I could see the cost above 15k.

dianne

Quote from: 76hotrodpinto on October 16, 2015, 10:20:46 AM
I think it's a cool little car! But... around here, that price is ridiculous. For that much, there are some good rustless, or close to rustless options. And in my mind, the only way to explain/maintain that "value", is to not fix any of the rust or other issues that would effect the patina, as that's the visual tangibility of it's famous heritage. I don't know... as a person that cuts and hacks everything, old or brand new, I could never just let it stay in that condition. Which just negates any celebrity value, for me.

It is, but it is a nice friggin car! I suppose that car doesn't need a real lot for someone to put back to factory specs. I would have loved it if I had the space, but I can't have anymore LOL
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dianne

Quote from: pinto_one on October 16, 2015, 10:25:14 AM
I do think they will only increase in value , lucky that that the pinto is not full of plastic like the newer cars , my 2015 ford is full of it, and good friend of mine brought a new toyota and almost every thing in it is plastic , i know in 30 or more years these will turn to dust and the hi tech electronics will be toast , the old fords and chevs still will be around , cars of today will be forgotten , kind of like the ford escort and the chev chevette ,

I agree with you. Steel is real :D And these will only increase in value as time goes on!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

pinto_one

I do think they will only increase in value , lucky that that the pinto is not full of plastic like the newer cars , my 2015 ford is full of it, and good friend of mine brought a new toyota and almost every thing in it is plastic , i know in 30 or more years these will turn to dust and the hi tech electronics will be toast , the old fords and chevs still will be around , cars of today will be forgotten , kind of like the ford escort and the chev chevette ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

76hotrodpinto

I think it's a cool little car! But... around here, that price is ridiculous. For that much, there are some good rustless, or close to rustless options. And in my mind, the only way to explain/maintain that "value", is to not fix any of the rust or other issues that would effect the patina, as that's the visual tangibility of it's famous heritage. I don't know... as a person that cuts and hacks everything, old or brand new, I could never just let it stay in that condition. Which just negates any celebrity value, for me.
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

dianne

Quote from: pinto_one on October 14, 2015, 08:57:01 AM
yes I did see that it sold for that much, but I do hope the people that dished out that much money is going to go ahead and spend more to restore the car to like new condition , and like to see it when they do, I we are forgetting that the pinto is hitting 45 years old and they are not being made anymore so the price will go up, but you have to remember that way back when a 1957 chevy was a $250 car , in 1969 , now today people are dragging the rusted hulks out of the woods and selling them for nosebleed prices ,  on a good note the buyer might soon join this site so please be kind (snicker ;D)

Honestly, I still think these are undervalued cars, just like the Mustang II. They will come up. My first car was a 1961 Falcon for $75.00 LOL Had so many back then, it's kinda funny. And you're right, one day, just like the 57 Chebies, these will be an awesome collectable. I mean really now, people collect and restore Pacers. Who would have ever wanted one of those, when they came out I thought it was the ugliest car I ever saw in my life.

Being kind LOL Honestly, to me that's a good deal. A pencil bumper trunk model - how can you go wrong?
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Mason66

45 bids.

When has that ever happened on a normal Pinto?

Wittsend

Beyond the actual value of this Pinto is the "Celebinoid" aspect of a car with a TV pedigree (minor as it may have been).  I mean what are the retrievable famous Pinto's out there?  The Kate Jackson Pinto (does it even still exist?), the remaining Mizar, a handful of race cars... and?  Granted that this Pinto's "Faminisity" came in latter days, but it still is unique.

Celebinoid and Faminisity are registered trademarks of the author - LOL

bbobcat75

people will spend stupid money on cars!! watched it all happen at the Lambrecht Chevy auction of rare cars( $2.8 million in bids Auction 2 years ago!!  )  a rusted out sprint sold for $900.00 plus had buyers fees - had a title fees - shipping and had to pay for it to be removed from soy bean field-      not worth the bucks!!! but like they say "there is a @$$ for every seat!!"
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

pinto_one

yes I did see that it sold for that much, but I do hope the people that dished out that much money is going to go ahead and spend more to restore the car to like new condition , and like to see it when they do, I we are forgetting that the pinto is hitting 45 years old and they are not being made anymore so the price will go up, but you have to remember that way back when a 1957 chevy was a $250 car , in 1969 , now today people are dragging the rusted hulks out of the woods and selling them for nosebleed prices ,  on a good note the buyer might soon join this site so please be kind (snicker ;D)
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

dianne

Yeah I LOVE Yellow Pintos!!! LOL

But hey, that sold for $2,850.00 - sheesh!!!! It was a trunk model, did need a lot of work and all of us who did one knows what it all takes to bring it near perfect from the shape this one is in.

It's an awesome start for someone. A very nice pencil bumper, trunk model yellow Pinto :D
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

r4pinto

Quote from: dianne on October 12, 2015, 06:59:47 AM
It's at $2002 and I think, my option, that one screams buy me. It's yellow and even a trunk model with pencil bumpers, doesn't get much better than that other than a yellow wagon with pencil bumpers LOL

Of course you would say that. It is yellow after all :P
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

74 PintoWagon

They could be bidding on it themselves too just to bring up the dollar..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

pinto_one

wonder if a local in that town is biding on it, if so maybe they drive it to sues and get this inside redone , might be cheep since Richard does not have his hands in it ,  8)  i need a beer
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

bbobcat75

this car will bring stupid money - bc some guy with too much money will buy it, just to be on the show and meet the gas monkey crew!!!  cheap car to buy for a meet and greet!!!

if it was on a normal ebay listing would be lucky to break $1600.00!!
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

dianne

It's at $2002 and I think, my option, that one screams buy me. It's yellow and even a trunk model with pencil bumpers, doesn't get much better than that other than a yellow wagon with pencil bumpers LOL
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

sedandelivery

I think the celebrity factor had a lot to do with the bidding.

76hotrodpinto

I think it was at over $1600, last I checked. I guess there's more than one born every minute?!
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

Reeves1

I'm seeing a $250.00 - $300.00 car, looking at the pictures.
Yet, the bid(s) have brought it to over 1k !

Car needs everything, and tons of rust repair.
All parts rubber need replacing.

Big job in front of "winner" !

Wittsend

Hummm..., must be hard times at the GMG when they are forced to sell..., no..., say it isn't so..., the PINTO! LOL

76hotrodpinto

Oh boy! Celebrity rust! "Minor perforations"? Looks like a nw car. Mine has less rust, and I consider it fairly bad.
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

Gonzobobcat

I just read the description of the car and it says you might be able to hangout with the guys from Fast and Loud.

That to me might be worth $1500 itself.

"This awesome little Pinto will be seen on the hit show Fast N' Loud and the winning Bidder may have the option of taking delivery here at the shop in Dallas TX on the show and hang out, or we can assist with shipping logistics Worldwide."- Gas Monkey

Gonzobobcat

I've seen this car on the show a few times.  I was hoping they would build it but here it is up for sale.

In Richard Rawling's book (Fast N' Loud: Blood Sweat and beers)  He says: "I keep this $200 Pinto just to remind myself that any car can get turned into a hot rod.  How many Pintos do you see on the road today?  They're so uncool, they're cool!"



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