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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

2.3 EFI 1987 Mustang Pinto swap into a 79 Pinto

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pinto_one

The dipstick will have to be moved to the front,  some had a plug you had to knock out and put it into the rear, later ones were not drilled out , so you will have to remove the pan to drill it out or remove the plug, I will make some photos of the one I have on my shed floor, so you can see , will have it for you tomorrow, so sit tight and soon it will be done , on a note on this they quit putting the plug/hole in the front because they went to all rear sumps, also you have a plate on the side for a fuel pump, a few years later that was not machined out any more because of the electric pump on the EFI engines , later Blaine 👹
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

dianne

This is picture. The engine block stamp says it's a 86 Thunderbird engine, although it was in an 86 Mustang. The dipstick is in the back, but the pan is reversed to fit in the Pinto using the 2.3 Pinto pan. There are no freeze plus on this side of the engine. I'm thinking that someone who has done this has cut the dip stick and added 4 quarts of oil, ran the motor and mark it then you know the low and high of the oil at 5 quarts.

Just hoping someone has done this before and can tell me. I think the dipstick will have to remain where it is I guess and I'll have to do that. The picture is on the did where the distributor is.
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dennisofaz

Hi Dianne,


I just looked at my 2.3 dipstick and it is about 3~4 inches further back than the distributer hole.  My 2.3 was a 79/80 turbo block so i filled the rear dipstick hole and drilled out a small  freeze plug looking thing a couple of incjhes from the distributer, and then inserted the dipstick tube.  Also the my dipstick goes through the drivers side motor mount.


Dennis

dianne

Quote from: dick1172762 on March 17, 2015, 04:51:01 PM
Move the dip stick to the front of the engine. You have a front sump oil pan.

There is no spot to put it in the front. I looked and short of drilling there's nothing. The only thing I can think of is to cut the dip stick, measure where it is when it's full and mark it. Then when it's lower than that mark, just add a tad bit of oil once in awhile.

What did those of you that have done this do?
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dick1172762

Move the dip stick to the front of the engine. You have a front sump oil pan.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

dianne

I need some help from someone who has done this. Pinto_one what did you do about the dip stick? I have the stick on the low end of the pan now. I attached a picture. Did you just shorten it and check if you can see oil?

My guys are scratching their heads LOL
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dianne

It's together now :) Just need to put in the oil pan. 3 rebuilds going and the bolts got mixed up :(

I'm very excited and thanks Pinto_One!!!! Now I wish my Pinto was out of the paint shop :(

We'll find them!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dianne

Quote from: pinto_one on March 14, 2015, 08:24:31 PM
Looking good, but all the hoses on it has got to go, (won't fit the pinto) and change the water pump now that it is looking at you , cheep insurance,  you will be very happy when it's done, last even though you have the turbo block you have the wrong Pistons , the ones you have are cast 9 to 1 compression , the turbo is 8 to 1 forged units , which you can change out easy if you later want to, good luck on your mission and this message will self destruct with a good wack on your computer screen with a hammer 😺

LOL

Yeah, it doesn't have the right pistons. I ordered the water pump on Saturday but late, so they will bring it by on Monday :) I'm pretty excited. I'm hoping the paint shop gets the wagon done soon, who knows :( I paid like 1/3 of the price so I have to wait. Hoses will go, I'm doing some of the work and the guys are helping at the shop. I can't wait to see it in the car and hook up the AC :D That will be the most awesome this hot summer!

Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

pinto_one

Looking good, but all the hoses on it has got to go, (won't fit the pinto) and change the water pump now that it is looking at you , cheep insurance,  you will be very happy when it's done, last even though you have the turbo block you have the wrong Pistons , the ones you have are cast 9 to 1 compression , the turbo is 8 to 1 forged units , which you can change out easy if you later want to, good luck on your mission and this message will self destruct with a good wack on your computer screen with a hammer 😺
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

dianne

Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dianne

I'm putting the ranger exhaust manifold, almost a header LOL, on the Pinto. Just a little mod for them to fit. These are those. I can't wait to get the car back!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dianne

Well Pinto_one, your oil pump is in and it's almost done. Putting headers on it also :) The car should be wagon should be finished on Wednesday and coming to the shop :D

Can't wait to put it in.

Checking the numbers, this came out of a 1986 Thunderbird, and it is a turbo block. I can put a turbo later if I can, don't think I need to though :)
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Pintosopher

Quote from: dianne on February 19, 2015, 02:54:42 PM
Yeah, but I like most people from my past :D

A Long Long  time ago in a Land far away  ...... Mentor Wars , a lesson in the way of the Fabi, when only the masters held the Torch of truth..  ;)
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

dianne

Quote from: pintosopher on February 19, 2015, 02:45:40 PM
Which is why I dissolved my FB presence, My Skeletons still had meat on the Bones ;D

Yeah, but I like most people from my past :D
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Pintosopher

Quote from: dianne on February 19, 2015, 02:43:30 PM
I caught him in bed with my best friend, so I nailed him. It was the seventies and divorce was a lot different than how. He ended up marrying her and then he cheated on her, surprise surprise LOL She tried to friend me on facebook, of course I just laughed and didn't...
Which is why I dissolved my FB presence, My Skeletons still had meat on the Bones ;D
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

dianne

Quote from: pintosopher on February 19, 2015, 02:41:23 PM
Hrrrhh ,Haaahh , Hrrrh , Haaah , "I find your lack of compassion most disconcerting, Perhaps you shall join the previous spousal influence in the netherworld of PreFabi! " Hrrrh, Haah", Hrrhh, Hackk , Hrrumph ! ;D

I caught him in bed with my best friend, so I nailed him. It was the seventies and divorce was a lot different than how. He ended up marrying her and then he cheated on her, surprise surprise LOL She tried to friend me on facebook, of course I just laughed and didn't...
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Pintosopher

Hrrrhh ,Haaahh , Hrrrh , Haaah , "I find your lack of compassion most disconcerting, Perhaps you shall join the previous spousal influence in the netherworld of PreFabi! " Hrrrh, Haah", Hrrhh, Hackk , Hrrumph ! ;D
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

dianne

Quote from: pintosopher on February 19, 2015, 02:29:25 PM
Hmm, Apprentice or Dark Lord Intern? Only the Slag can tell, and even the beads on the plates won't give it away! ! ;D

LOL  ;D
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Pintosopher

Quote from: dianne on February 19, 2015, 01:13:54 PM
You kept the house? I took everything on my first divorce  ::)
Hmm, Apprentice or Dark Lord Intern? Only the Slag can tell, and even the beads on the plates won't give it away! ! ;D
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

dianne

Quote from: pintosopher on February 19, 2015, 12:49:01 PM
After I gracefully asked the 1st wife to vacate the Duplex we shared and take all the gifts from the wedding, I put things in proper order, (1st)Yamaha 125 Flat track racer into the dining area. Since I had no furniture, (Mattress on bedroom floor ) I ate my daily Steaks on the Oven door sitting on a 5 gallon bucket, or in the Summer on the Tailgate of my 55 Chevy wagon. Rode the Honda SL 350 K1 to work at Kmart year round, Tinkered with the Suzuki TC90 in the Laundry shed on the carport. Life was good at $5/hour, and $185 /mo rent. I'll stop now... No Hijack here... ;D

You kept the house? I took everything on my first divorce  ::)
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Pintosopher

After I gracefully asked the 1st wife to vacate the Duplex we shared and take all the gifts from the wedding, I put things in proper order, (1st)Yamaha 125 Flat track racer into the dining area. Since I had no furniture, (Mattress on bedroom floor ) I ate my daily Steaks on the Oven door sitting on a 5 gallon bucket, or in the Summer on the Tailgate of my 55 Chevy wagon. Rode the Honda SL 350 K1 to work at Kmart year round, Tinkered with the Suzuki TC90 in the Laundry shed on the carport. Life was good at $5/hour, and $185 /mo rent. I'll stop now... No Hijack here... ;D
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

dianne

Quote from: pinto_one on February 19, 2015, 12:17:00 PM
Great, could not tell by the photo that it was a block heater, do not know how cold it gets up there if you want to keep it,  my 76 has one and I left it in when I rebuilt it, never had to use it down here , never seen the 20s at night , but now it always in my heated mancave all the time, when you start putting the engine back together clean everything to the max, and find a very clean place to assemble it, kitchen always works when the wife is out of town,  as most of us pinto guys can put there hands up on how many carburetors have been rebuilt on the kitchen table,  ::)  have fun but don't get caught

ahahahaha that's why I'm never getting married again. The guy would want me cooking and I'd wanting to be cleaning guns and car parts ahahahahaha My woman cave is getting great now, just picked up a nice tool cart, the guys at the shop have my Matco LOL

I really want to get a 4 bbl 750 or 850 double pumper for the Maverick :D If it needs rebuilding, I want to do it!!! A six pack would do also :D

Get caught? Not me, no slugs around my house!!!! ahahahaha
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

pinto_one

Great, could not tell by the photo that it was a block heater, do not know how cold it gets up there if you want to keep it,  my 76 has one and I left it in when I rebuilt it, never had to use it down here , never seen the 20s at night , but now it always in my heated mancave all the time, when you start putting the engine back together clean everything to the max, and find a very clean place to assemble it, kitchen always works when the wife is out of town,  as most of us pinto guys can put there hands up on how many carburetors have been rebuilt on the kitchen table,  ::)  have fun but don't get caught
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

dianne

Quote from: pinto_one on February 19, 2015, 11:16:33 AM
looking at you block it looks like you have a core plug that is one of those quick repair ones ( with the nut on top) you should change all of them (and the one behind the head and block, ) Its a pain later to change when the engine is in the car , you should have the parts I sent today , guess when you put the engine in the car and start hooking every thing up you will have some one looking over you shoulder , I often do but its over my head ,  later Blaine

There was a heater plug in it since the engine came from Salmon. We doing all the plugs and everything :) I want to do most of this on my own putting it back together, but I may do the 302 from the Maverick because it's a simple engine.

The car got it's first coat and now is being painted a final coat :D Pretty cool process.
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

pinto_one

looking at you block it looks like you have a core plug that is one of those quick repair ones ( with the nut on top) you should change all of them (and the one behind the head and block, ) Its a pain later to change when the engine is in the car , you should have the parts I sent today , guess when you put the engine in the car and start hooking every thing up you will have some one looking over you shoulder , I often do but its over my head ,  later Blaine
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

dianne

The engine is now just waiting on a gasket kit I got on ebay, the thing is taking forever. Car almost done and I need the engine in real soon since the car is painted and waiting!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dianne

Quote from: pinto_one on February 03, 2015, 11:57:28 AM
they just might , but when you stuff the heaver 2.3 it might end up lower, but you can like dick said put some spacers, or change them, once you have everything done break out the ruler and see, as dick also said when you cut the longer springs down they do get stiffer, new ones do not cost much, you could ask pintosopler where a good spring shop is located, since he uses his as a road racer, they can use yours to find the spring rate and make new ones to the new height you need, if you need too, the ones I got are out of a 74 up, but have to find the other one for the tag I put on it to see what year and type of pinto I took them out of, a 77 striped pinto with no air, 4 speed with the alum bumpers would be close , but a 76 wagon loaded with everything with a V-6 would be too stiff, and may not even compress with the weight of your wagon , save that for last,

I think I'll wait until the last on this. I can always do it later... See how the ride feels and all that stuff :)
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

pinto_one

they just might , but when you stuff the heaver 2.3 it might end up lower, but you can like dick said put some spacers, or change them, once you have everything done break out the ruler and see, as dick also said when you cut the longer springs down they do get stiffer, new ones do not cost much, you could ask pintosopler where a good spring shop is located, since he uses his as a road racer, they can use yours to find the spring rate and make new ones to the new height you need, if you need too, the ones I got are out of a 74 up, but have to find the other one for the tag I put on it to see what year and type of pinto I took them out of, a 77 striped pinto with no air, 4 speed with the alum bumpers would be close , but a 76 wagon loaded with everything with a V-6 would be too stiff, and may not even compress with the weight of your wagon , save that for last,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

dianne

Quote from: dick1172762 on February 03, 2015, 11:30:43 AM
74/80 front springs will work after CUTTING some coils off as they are longer than 71/73 springs. As you cut them, they will get stiffer and may make your wagon ride like one of my race cars. Only one way to tell. If your springs are sagging and too low you can buy spacers to put under the springs. They work good and can be bought at front end shops cheap. If your wagon is factory air, it came with the biggest springs Ford had in 73.

It was factory air :D

So are my springs good enough?

Oh, and that's my personal Matco toolbox with the drawers you see there! :D
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dianne

Quote from: pinto_one on February 03, 2015, 10:31:05 AM
fox body springs will not work, they have struts , got a set ,(well one of them) have to find the last one, I think you may have to cut a coil off to shorten it, after 73 they got a tad bit longer,

Like my favorite commercial (WE HAVE THE MEATS) WE HAVE THE TOOLS AHAHAHAHA
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied