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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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nightrain

I found that a 1979-1993 Mustang Fox Body 8.8" is about 54 inches backing plate-to-backing plate.Will this work if the mounts are done correctly?It's 2 inches wider than stock,but I don't think that will make much difference.It's just that the tires might stick out a wee bit more.These are plentiful in my area and it wouldn't be any trouble to get one for roughly $75-$100.Mustang II's are VERY rare around here and so are some of the other donors mentioned.A buddy of mine does have a MII in his backyard that he used for parts.The rear is gone,but the front sway bar is still there :D .I think that these will bolt directly into a Pinto.Am I right?Also,I can get a rear sway bar when I get the FB Mustang 8.8".I think that I want disc brakes :D .

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nightrain

I've got a perfect 9" rear out of my 1977 F-100 Custom.It's already posi and everything.How much trouble would it be to shorten the sleeves and axles for it to fit under a Pinto?

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crazyhorse

ok, the fox 'stang guys use ranger axles in thier 8.8 rears for 5lug. If the fox 'stang axle is only an inch wider, and the ranger axles fit, could the ranger rear end assembly go under a Pinto?
i'm guessing that the spring perches would have to move, and things like that. The housing should be useable in the pinto pretty much as-is. that would open the door to posi, limited slip, even lockers in the Pinto.
I think I've talked myself int being the guinea pig here ???

Now all i have to do is find out which bearings the ranger uses in the front disks........... :P
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Underdog76

Hey twaters,  I will measure my dads sunday and get back to you.
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78pinto

Hmmm, the housing is from a '72 ranchero, the pot is from a '68 Mustang, i was told it was cut down and has 8 inch axle tubes ends on it with 8 inch axles converted to 5 lug with drum brakes. I did not do it...but i know the fellow who did.
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pimpin_pinto

also, do you got disk or drums on there?

pimpin_pinto

hey 78pinto, what kinda car did you get that out of, and how much modifying did you have to do?

crazyhorse

the vesailles rear was popular for it's ease of swapping into the Fox Stang they used both 8.8 AND 7.5's with a 5bolt pattern. the 7.5's were on early cars. the 8.8's on later ones. just remember when swapping in disks you need the master cylinder as well as the proportioning valve.

there was an earlier versailles that had a 9" in it. That car was based on the Granada. i think it was a leaf spring car. I don't know what the width is on that, but i'd venture to say it's too wide for the Pinto.
Just double checked myself, the early versailles had small 5lug patterns the later had 4 lug on 41/2
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78pinto

Here is a picture of my 9 inch.
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78pinto

The Lincoln Versailles (sp?) was a nine inch rear, i know where there is one for sale about 5 minutes from my house, but its in Canada.
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WVBobcat77

The Lincoln Versalles had factory rear disc's, and they are a direct bolt in. But, they are 8 in. not 9 and, the are few and far between.

Bill in WV
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78pinto

i believe the later (85-86) SVO's came with 8.8 did they not?  I'm almost 100% sure....but i wouldn't bet MY life on it
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Felix Wankel

Quote from: 78pinto on November 13, 2003, 09:43:53 PM
The Mark VIII LSC has got to be fairly close width wise, but mounting is all wrong.....and its an 8.8

even closer....SVO Mustang, 8.8 rear disk brakes, and 53 inches wide, only off by half an inch each side. Cut off mountings for Mustang, add Pinto Leaf perches.

SVO's come with 7.5's, the Turbo Coupes have 8.8's though
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78pinto

i'd love to help you but my car has been put away for the winter, anyone else help out here?
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twaters

I posted a seperate question with no answers, so maybe someone here will help me. I am looking for the lengths of Pinto rear leaf springs. The overall length, and the distance from front eye to center bolt. Thanks.

78pinto

The Mark VIII LSC has got to be fairly close width wise, but mounting is all wrong.....and its an 8.8

even closer....SVO Mustang, 8.8 rear disk brakes, and 53 inches wide, only off by half an inch each side. Cut off mountings for Mustang, add Pinto Leaf perches.
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turbopinto72

 We can dream of such an amimal though  ;D
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78pinto

no, afraid not...they are all way to wide!
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pintoperformance

Is there a ford rear end that came out of a Lincoln that has rear disc brakes that will bolt  into a Pinto with no modifications??
Mike

Underdog76

My reply would be that you should Tub the car and chop the rear down for some serious meat.. but thats just me ;D
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crazyhorse

kmayle,
you'll need the master cylinder from the versailles the rear end came from. Disc brakes have larger pistons, using more fluid than drums. The stock Pinto unit won't have enough flow to make the pads touch the rotors
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kmayle

Quote from: 71pintok on September 20, 2003, 10:15:20 AM
I put a 9 in rear end in mine. I was told it came out of a Comet or a Granada. It fit perfect. I put Richmond 3:88 gears in it. One problem I had were  the breaks. The wheel cylinders are a bit bigger than the original ones so it feels like the peddle goes to the floor, but it still stops good.

Did you ever fix this?  I'm dropping in the Versailles (rw disc) .I was curious about this as well.  i bought a proportioning valve and am hoping that this helps being it will give more stoppping power proportionaly as supposed to to the front of the car.

I was thinking about possibly going to a larger master cylinder being i also plan on doing the granada/GM caliper front 5 lug larger rotor swap.
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kmayle

Quote from: pimpin_pinto on September 17, 2003, 06:30:05 PM
A nine inch rear end off of an 80's truck would fit a 76 pinto without too much trouble wouldnt it?  I'm starting to look for stuff for my pinto, cause i'm getting the stock engine re-built for now, and am in the process of looking for a 302, 9 inch rear end, and a c4, possibly c6 tranny.  I'm still in high school, so i'm gonna be getting these things one at a time, then installing them all at once.  But i'm planning on buying used for the most part and rebuilding them, and putting in new gearsm and better stuff on them.  

I'm going with the 9" out of a Lincoln Versailles.  It's 58 inches and 28 spline axles, it's also the only 9" rear that came with stock rear wheel disc brakes.  

Problems i've encountered:

finding matching rotors.  They've discontinued one side and they're vented to "grab" the air.  Now you have to use a right for the left or a left for the right.  It's wierd/stuipid.

My rear came without e-brake levers... I was warned at times this happens but i figured i'm a person that can find a needle in a haystack if i try.  Fortunately i found that needle by going straight to a place that rebuilds calipers and talked them into giving them to me in a $40/caliper rebuild.  That was gold to me.

All the hoses are rather expensive.. about 30-5 a piece and you need 3

I haven't installed it yet.... It's getting painted.  I got 4.11 gears/posi in the hog head.

I've also machined the axles for a larger knurl (.615 in from Mosier 1/2's) wheel studs.  I have currently spacers for the tires i have on and had to put in longer wheel studs to allow for the wheels to thread on... being i don't want to have to press everything off, risk destroy my wheel bearings and damage my caliper brackets it's worth the money.  

One out of a junkyard should cost about 300 if you can find one.  I got lucky finding one.  They're getting scarce.  I hear some other drum setups may work.  

Here are common lengths of ford 9" rears off this link.

http://www.therangerstation.com/9InchAxles.html
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fatheadinc

this should help yall out with any rear end pondering  

             http://www.carnut.com/specs/rear.html

                           i find it pretty helpful..............
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turbopinto72

 Yes 52" backing to backing is correct. Used axles are fine if they are streight and the splines are good.
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pimpin_pinto

 would it be worth the time and effort to find used axels, and get them useable or easier and better to get new ones?

78pinto

If my memory is working i believe they are 52 inches backing plate to backing plate.  We are going to use a mustang 8.8 on our next Pinto EFI project. I think its about 53 inches, close enough for me!
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pimpin_pinto

can anyone tell me how wide the rearend would be??  from hub 2 hub??  cause found one that's 57.5 inch, but that seems long, and i dont have any stands for my car right now, cause my dad has the escort up.  

71pintok

I put a 9 in rear end in mine. I was told it came out of a Comet or a Granada. It fit perfect. I put Richmond 3:88 gears in it. One problem I had were  the breaks. The wheel cylinders are a bit bigger than the original ones so it feels like the peddle goes to the floor, but it still stops good.

turbopinto72

 Ok, I guess I will answer this question. Get a 9" out of a 59 Ford wagon and it will bolt right in. It is only 1/2 wider than stock. Other than that you will need to shorten the housing and axles on any other year.
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