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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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CHEAPRACER

Why wear a helmet when you don't plan on crashing? No, he probably won't ever break the 8.8, I never did in the 12 years I owned my mustang but if someone wants to run eliminators then whats the harm?  I broke a drive shaft once at about 6000rpm. 5 years later, different car...stock combo...killer driveshaft...piece of mind, that all that matters to me.  If you've been wrenching & racing for 40 years then offer friendly experienced advise, if you want to start a keyboard fight, then please go somewhere else.

Thanks Kris for the info, I wish I would have kept my turbo coupe rear & did some adapting instead of hunting all over the internet for 8" parts. I have a local fabricator that does the same mods  & offered to true my housing, if I welded it, long before this post ever started. He too has been racing & building circle track cars forever.
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

turbopinto72

Huh, interesting, but I still will not "race" a car with a "c" clip rearend. I have seen about a dozen axles come out on the track and seen what the car looks like when it pile drives into the side rail. No thanks, I'll spend the extra $$ to drive as safe as I can.  ;D
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1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
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kris kincaid

bigbill, you attacked my idea and I let it go. It was just a "what if" and I didn't say it was necessary. Jeff posts photos of it happening in a car that was not in a racing situation.

Now we're all jerks and your gonna give up the internet? Did I miss something? When did somebody post something negative about you or your life experiences? I thought this thread was a pretty decent thread until YOU attacked everybody.
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78pinto

whoa, whats with the attitude? I posted a picture and an email, i didn't say it is a common occurance (i do think its wierd timing) And i found out the pin did come out, causing this axle to come out. I have seen the inside of many a diffs, Ford 9 inch 8.8 and 7.5  Dodge 8 3/4 and dana 60 and Chev 10 and 12 bolt. I don't know why this will be your last post here or any other site... ??? i don't have a problem with you and to my knowledge niether does anyone else, however....your attitude is just flat out uncalled for and unnessary. I appreciate the fact you have been a mechanic for over 40 years, your upinion on things is wanted on many different subject here at fordpinto.com by many of us who post questions, some may have different opinions than you (an i believe the 8.8 is a good strong axle an is well suited for a pinto conversion, with little if any worries of c clip failure or pin breakage) but you CANNOT get into a huff if someone doesn't take your side or point of view and take it so personaly, that you lash out with YOUR own personal attacks. That last statement "You guys need to grow up, get some more REAL LIFE experience" really comes off as ARROGANCE on your part, i don't need it and niether does anyone else. Your more than welcome to stay, as i said, any mechanic helping out those of us who are not mechanicaly inclined is what this site....and most other sites are all about. If your going to have... and GIVE attitude on your posts if someone doesn't agree with you, then be my guest and move on, we don't need it, and i'm sure any other sites you post on will be the same way. Feel free to email me or private message me about this if you like.   Jeff


ps.  Bill, go through your posts on this site....i think if you read them you'll see YOU have a tendancy to go on the attack with your opinions. On one post you state you are hard headed, but i can tell you from 11 years of  internet experiance on boards like this, it causes trouble and you likely won't be on ANY board for too long unless you lighten up, take your OWN advice, and grow up. Jeff
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bigbill

This will be my last post on this or any other site. I have been a mechanic for over 40 years and I have built or helped build many many hot rod cars. Alot of fords, Chevys and Chrysler products. Most of the people who talk with much knowledge about these subjects have never even seen the inside of a rear end of any kind. I can assure you with positive and long standing years of actual experience that C-clips DO NOT just come off. They either have to break into,or the axle has to tear up,or the axle has to break, or the center pin must come out of the center section. PERIOD. It just can't happen any other way. I guess Ford and Chevy have used them all these many years because they are no good! Have you ever seen a 454 Chevelle? Guess what holds it's axles in? You guys need to grow up, get some more REAL LIFE experience.

ctompkins31

I did over 100 in my T-Bird. Nothing happened. The drivetrain will remain the same. I should br O.K. Right?
P.S. Thank you for all of the feedback. I will end up using the 8.8 . Hope all works out.

CHEAPRACER

Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

78pinto

Here is an email i received from a friend this morning:

Hey Jeff,

I almost  died last Thursday ,, the freakin axle broke off ,, the pin came out, i was doing 140km on the QEW, when the wheel came off i went side ways on the QEW for like 500m , that freakin car is getting fixed and I'm never driving it no more ( it scared the shizod out off me ) told Ron to sell it cos its going to be parked after its fixed ,

Oh can i park it at your place till i sell it ,, ask around its for $6000 ill take it .... END OF EMAIL.

The axle didn't break as i have the pictures, the c-clip came off at 85mph! The highway is a very busy one but its about 4 or 5 lanes wide so it didn't hit anything. Just something to think about.

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bigbill

You are 100% correct! My drag car has a 9 inch with 31 spline spool, axles, and ring and pinion all Strange parts. I think a lot of my wife's husband and I sure don't want to see him get hurt! There are some fairly cheap kits out there to eliminate C-clipsthat do not need a bunch of fabrication and anyone with good horsepower and a quick car surely needs them. But I doubt if my little 5.0 powered 72 wagon is going to need them.

78pinto

The 8.8 is way stronger than the 8 inch for sure. There are stock suspension racing, where you have to use stock rear ends, mounting locations ect. There is a Mustang running an 8.8 in the 7.90's on drag radials on a stock type suspension car. Thats maybe an extreme, but i wouldn't want c clips on it if it was me driving! Most REAL race cars run some type of 9 inch knock off (strange ect) I agree with you, for most street use c clips aren't an issue, for a majority of racers it's not really an issue iether......but when i had my '92 5 liter with supercharger.....i eliminated the c clips, for piece of mind after i seen a mustang loose an axle at the stripe with stickies and nitrous, running slower times than me! To each their own i say.
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bigbill

Gee Whiz! What kind of racing are you refering to? aren't ALL 10 bolt and 12 bolt chevy rear ends C-clips? And when you start making rear end housings"any width you want" axles become a big problem real quick! I have been around both drag racing and dirt track racing for many many years and when you advance to the big time nobody runs homemade housings or axles. I freely admit that C-clips are not the best thing in the world and 8.8 rear ends are not as strong as a 9 inch Ford(the best thats ever been) but they are at least as strong as an 8 inch and most of them have really good brakes and are probably made of stonger metal.(they do make some things better than they did 25 years ago)

78pinto

At higher levels of racing they are not allowed, as its too easy to lose an axle at speed. For the street they are fine. They were talking about welding the 9 inch axle tube ends on the 8.8 , not welding axles.
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bigbill

I just cannot believe some of the answers I see on these sites!! You would be looking for a lot of pain and trouble if you tried to cut and weld ends on axles. Whats wrong with 8.8 rears and C-clips? I have used 9 inch rear ends on many things over the years but I have also seen 8.8 5.0 Mustangs pull the front wheels off the ground many times and never tear up. Many different rear ends use C-clips and rarely give problems. A well built Pinto should weigh over 800 lbs. less than a 5.0 mustang and that sure takes a lot of stress away from a rear designed for a heavier car. Just go ahead and use a stock 8.8 rear and don't worry about it!!!  BigBill

kris kincaid

I remember seeing somebody cutting off the axle ends of an 8.8 and replacing them with 9" ends. That way you could eliminate the C-clips, and use a standard 9" 28 spline axle, or use a 31 spline 8.8 diff and 31 spline 9" axles. This setup would be plenty strong, and be somewhat cheap assuming you could do all the cutting and welding yourself.

If you wanted to do all those mods, then you could make the housing whatever breadth you like.  :)
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bigbill

If you use the T-Bird rear and mount it with 3 inch spring perches on the Pinto springs then you can use 15x7 or 16x7 Mustang or T-Bird wheels and not have to use any wheel spacers. I am using the 8.8 rear end and transmission(5 speed) out of a 88 T-Bird Turbo Coupe in my 72 wagon. I am using a 5.0 HO engine out of a 83 Mustang. I have a very nice complete Turbo engine along with computer,turbo,intercooler,starter,flywheel,bellhousing,etc. that I have no need for. I can be contacted at (803) 285-6387 after 6pm EDT.   BMW

billnall

They should be the same length because the axles are the same length 83-88.
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pintoman

I dropped a 83 T-bird 7.5 in my 80 runabout,I'm also using 15x7 Saleen wheels.This keeps the tire's inside the wheel well.Had to cut off the inner and outer axle mounts,then weld on spring perchs that i got from Jegs along with a set of 3 inch u-bolts.
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78pinto

it's really to wide, even wider than the 8.8 out of a mustang 5 liter. I'd give the mustang 8.8 a try before the t bird one.
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ctompkins31

Wantin' to swap the rear out of my t-bird into my 80' wagon.