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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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RSM

Wow that's a low gear ratio. You may wind up jetting the crap out of that thing on the secondary side to feed enough fuel to help with the lean condition at high rpm. Not sure just the kit will do it. Let us know.

bombi

Gear ratio is 6:1 and we are running a C3 transmission, in first gear is 3:1 i beleive ?

Pulled the plugs today, bright white so we are runnning lean. I guess we will get our hands on a carb kit.

RSM

I don't think it was suggested,but have you pulled the plugs to see what the engine is doing? If it's not a big hassle, run it till it bogs down then shut it off. Pull a plug or two and see what they look like. That will give you some insight as to what might be going on. If the porcelain is white then a lean condition is an issue. If you get a light tan color then fuel may not be the problem. If the plugs look good then gearing might be an issue. I asked before about the gear ratio on the drive axle but you may have missed it. Do you know what it is?

bombi

Thanks again to all for the comments.

We installed the fuel pressure guage and it confirms this is not our issue. We have 6psi at the carb and it remains constant at startup, ilde, low throttle, and WOT even as its bogs down. Next steps we are thinking is to look into power valve and install a vacuum guage.

any other suggestions?

Also, just wanted to clarify a bit, as far as we can tell the timing is adjusted properly and we have no issues there. The idea was that we wanted to say that we are humble enough to consider all suggestions based on the sypmtoms we can observe.

With regards to power valves, how often do they "fail" ? and Also if we are to replace, any comments on the methods to select a power valve rating? We have reasearched a bit and found two methods, one suggests taking full manifold vacuum readings and dividing that number by two.... while others suggest taking the guage reading and subtracting 2 two

amc49

Anywhere from 3-7 psi will work, 7 is pushing it.

I know '80 2.3 carb has the metered power valve and maybe the '79 as well and you may be loading engine far more there than a car's weight ever does. You may need 100% power valve open, the later carbs are metered for emissions and do not do that. Way to know is type of power valve assembly, you can tell the carb from top, the early ones have a bi-symmetrical top flat where air cleaner mounts. The later one is not, it has a kickout on one side for the changeup in the car casting for that metered power valve or the later modulated one used on feedback systems for emissions. Those slowly open rather than either 100% open or shut like the early one does. Vacuum hose routing on carb to power valve area must be modded or at least very closely looked at as well or power valve will not work at all.

I ran into this once on my '80 2.3 while trying to find a severe mid rpm lean-out issue, it turned out the later power valve vacuum circuit was not opening the power valve I had installed. Once fixed it ran perfect.

Lesser weight (load) of car allows engine to still run with leaner than crap power circuit, bigger load of skidsteer may well need 100% power fuel all at once.

You can tell the metered power valve that screws into bottom of bowl from the off/on type, the metered one has a long slope on the center valve, the other one simply pops open or shut.

'We beleive the timing is set correctly, but anything can happen in back yard mechanics...........'
'.........after adjusting the timing until it gets loaded up.........'

Nothing personal but this sounds truly like back yard work and flat unacceptable. If I told you all the engines I've seen with holed pistons from 'experts' guessing this...........no insult intended at all but if guessing at the timing then get a light and set it correctly and probably your issue alone. One either knows EXACTLY where the timing is, or they don't and lost there. Need at least to check for proper centrifugal and vacuum advance, that alone could be the issue again. Make sure you are using the correct port for vac advance.

The new 'CDI' (it's not you know, simple inductive electronic only) box must have a blue grommet where the wires go under box. Other colors can mess with your timing in big ways, they are specialized for certain applications and coded by the grommet color. Just sayin' in case someone quickly snapped up one at the junkyard.

Many V-8s will seem to run fine with a certain plug wire disconnected as only 1/8th of the power is missing, they can even seem to idle smoothly, not so a four, it will be missing 25% power and readily noticeable.

74 PintoWagon

Well, don't have much experience with the Holley/Weber 2brl but everything I've read so far says 3.5lbs max?, checked mine and it's just a hair over 3.5, maybe I'll do a pressure check and see how much pressure it actually takes to open the needle.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

RSM

You can run up to 5 or 6lbs of pressure or so without any trouble. The needle and seat material will hold the pressure but anymore than that and it won't hold. The fuel pressure guage can be plumbed in anywhere between the carb and fuel pump. I don't think a 4 cylinder will run very well with 2 plug wires swapped. You could that on V8's and they will run smooth at idle but not very well after that. Let us know what you come up with.

74 PintoWagon

Never checked mine but I'd say 3-4 max lbs?, but whatever it is just watch for pressure drop it should be consistent.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

bombi

Great, thanks again.

Any comments on what the fuel pressure should be at the carb ?
5 - 7 psi ?

74 PintoWagon

Here ya go, put the gauge close to the carb..

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

bombi

Thanks to All for the suggestions.

We are planning to add some fittings and get a fuel pressure gauge in to verify that avenue. any recommendations on where to install the tee?

We beleive the timing is set correctly, but anything can happen in back yard mechanics ;-)
Air and fuel filters are new and clean, tried swapping in a new fuel filter recently too. Most of the fuel lines were replaced and the few existing ones "appear" to be in good condition. The tank did have some crap in it, but we removed it and did our best to clean it thoroughly.

Forgot to mention, we did add a new CDI box as well.

Dumb question.... ive heard some guys saying they've seen plug wire on two cylinders get crossed, but the seems to run "smooth" after adjusting the timing until it gets loaded up.... any truth to that? Anyone have a diagram so that we can confirm the plug wiring and firing order?

haha... dont know what happened with Lake Winnipeg... tried typing in Thunder Bay, Onatio a few times, but the map seems to be stuck...lol...

thanks again

74 PintoWagon

Sounds like it's running out of fuel??, put a pressure gauge in the line and run it and see what it reads when it falls on it's face, do you have adequate size fuel lines???..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

jtowndown

maybe vacuum advance is messing up, or the vacuum line the the vacuum advance is loose. It sounds like a fuel problem, but with an intermittant problem that has no rhyme to it I'm going to guess that's what it is.

RSM

Why does the map show you right in the middle of Lake Winnipeg?  :o   lol

RSM

Sounds to me a possible fuel issue. If you had a way to check the fuel pressure when your issue starts to happen, could answer the question. Is the timing set correctly? Clean air filter? Fuel filter new or fairly new? While the engine is under a no load condition a bad fuel filter can still let enough fuel thru to let the engine run ok but under a heavy load will starve the engine. How clean was the tank when the 2.3 was installed? What's the condition of all the fuel lines? One thing I've done in the past is to get the engine to where it starts to mess up and then shut it off right away. I then pulled the top of the carb off to see how much fuel was in the bowl. If the fuel was low that would tell me if the float level was set correctly or if I had another fuel issue. What kind of gears are in the axles on that plow?

bombi

Hi All,

We have an odd use for a 1979 Ford Pinto 2.3liter, 2 barrel holly, with C3 transmission... we put it in a vintage "j5 Bombi" skid steer track machine for swamp and snow... ill try and add a photo.

They were made by bombardier in the 70's and originally this model has a chrysler flat head in it.

Seems to run fine on hard terrain, grass, gravel etc... but once you run in mud or snow it bogs right down... manually shifted into 1st gear, WOT and getting 1500 rpm...

compression test came in normal, originally thought it was simply that the 4cyl was underpowered for the application....

now im not so sure...

as soon as you enter deep snow in 1st gear, WOT, engine sounds fine, but bogs down to 1500 rpm. however, if you back off the throttle and move around between 1/3 and 1/2 throttle you find a sweeet spot and the rpm will climb to 2000, then you can go back to WOT and it will run back up to a max about 4000- 4500 rpm. then somewhat randomly it will bog back down, sometimes 30secs later, sometime 5-10 mins later... then you start the cycle all over again...

thinking about going to an electric fuel pump but as its so intermittant im not sure what the issue is...

any thoughts?