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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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amc49

I can add one thing, if fuel pump is a 3 port one that sends a smaller line right back to the tank then block off that smaller output and line, it is a bypass and only for possible vapor lock issues that usually don't happen unless in the desert. Blocking it off increases the amount and pressure of fuel to motor. We used to do it all the time at the garage back in the day..............and I still do it now to every 3 port pump I run across, GM or Ford.

ToniJ1960

 Well wouldnt you know now my Pinto wont start after sitting two months. No gas coming out of the hose to the filter when I crank it so I guess its the fuel pump or the lines or the sock?

Maybe I`ll try putting some gas in the hose like Blue did and see if it works. How much did you put in?

amc49

ESPECIALLY if they run 10% ethanol around you. The steel tank will slowly rust to fill the sock up with rust mud. Why Detroit was forced to go to plastic fuel tanks.

There is NO gravity feeding of fuel, the fuel has to pull up out of tank and up at pump to engine as well. The pump MUST seal at both inlet and outlet check valves inside it, if doing so it will easily pump up a distance of several feet. Don't remember if these do it or not but if a separate smaller 3rd line output coming off fuel pump that turns around to go back to tank then block that smaller outlet off, it will increase your output to engine. a bypass loop to bring fresh fuel, it stops vapor lock.

74 PintoWagon

Wouldn't hurt to look at it regardless.
Art
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ToniJ1960

 Just a warning of things to come maybe its time to change that sock filter.

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

ToniJ1960

 I had a 79 wagon that I had a rebuilt motor put in. It would run a few miles and quit the guy even put a different carb on it. It still did it. I changed the ignition module the fuel pump, finally tried blowing out the fuel line with a bicycle tire pump. I heard bubbles come out of the gas cap area and it ran ok for a few days and right back to dying every few miles.After it died a few minutes later it would start. It turned out to be a dirty sock in the tank (I should say fuel filter sock).

Wonder if something like that could keep gas from feeding under gravity just enough to have caused the uphill downhill affect.

gaeliccouple

I think you have something blocking the gas flow in the fuel tank where it meets the fuel line. All it takes is one dead grasshopper to get into your tank and get sucked down at the fuel exit point and you get no gas. The fix is easy, remove gas cap then remove gas hose behind the fuel pump then place air hose on fuel line and blow it through. It will remove any obstruction. You should then see gas flowing out. You can try pumping out the gas tank to remove the offending debris but be careful of fire! 

ToniJ1960

 No matter what I do I cant convince myself it has anything to do with turning the car around. The fuel pump seems like its always higher than the tank or about even to it. I would think 3/4 tank of gas would be enough to push gas out of the end of a hoe or line even if you held it above the fuel pump level.

When y ou changed the fuel pump did you see gas coming out of the hose that goes to the tank? Was the car pointed downhill when you changed it?

If the needle in  the carb got stuck would gas still get pumped enough to get to the filter?

This ones really interesting.

amc49

'check valves can stick from ethanol residual sugar if running 10%. Meaning you need to wet them with fuel again to loosen.........'

Welcome to the party pal...............seen it more than once. If carb, take it apart and float will be stuck shut, a slight touch of finger to it makes needle come unstuck, same can happen inside fuel pump with the check valves. Why I made an air pressure procedure to stop repeatedly disassembling carbs..................the gaskets were complaining.




blupinto

Well... I don't know what to tell you... I drove her this evening, and she runs fine. I didn't get gas to carb the one way, but mostly did when she was switched around.
One can never have too many Pintos!

amc49

If tank is pretty much full then swinging car around does nothing. The fuel pump if working correctly will easily pull fuel uphill. If pump has back drained then dry check valves can stick from ethanol residual sugar if running 10%. Meaning you need to wet them with fuel again to loosen or blow slight air pressure FORWARD through pump to bump them loose, or pump will not work at max output or even not pump fuel at all. Consider filter too, any water carried in the ethanol then becomes a slimy plug that reduces the passage of fuel. Pinto tanks being steel do not help either, the steel converts to extremely fine rust that clogs/sticks everything up. The perfect binder for the slime that comes from water and fuel mixing.

Letting old school carbed cars sit for long periods is the worst thing you can do with ethanol laced fuel in them, it wracks havoc on the carb and any rubber parts there. Wait till you start seeing the corrosion that comes with it. BTDT.

blupinto

Well... I got Ruby turned around so that her front end is pointed down in the driveway (and broke Moxie BluBelle's grille in the process) and today, after pumping the accelerator pedal I found that, while there was no gas in the filter... there was gas in the line between the filter and the pump. I took a wee bit of gas I have in a can... poured some in the filter... poured some down the line I pulled from the pump side of the filter... reattached the line... pumped the accelerator a few times (and felt a difference in the pedal... turned the key... and she reluctantly started!!! YAY!!! She runs awfully rough, so I'll be fiddling with the carb maybe tomorrow. Thank you all for your help and encouragement! Now I gotta figure out how I'm gonna swing the wagon around like that...

One can never have too many Pintos!

amc49

I call it the two second rule, if car does not light off with a two second shot and at least run for a second, then it has something wrong with it that starting fluid will only make worse. Once you have that two second shot in there and it is not used then a second one on top of it is just begging for trouble. If the car is viable to run it WILL start up, I've even started like engines with no carbs on them at all, only an intake port to squirt into.

blupinto

Yeah... definitely not brave enough to put gas in carb.  :o

It's just funny that it's TWO cars doing this just for sitting for a little while. If my experiment fails this weekend I will do the air compressor thing. The thing with Ruby is, she's always had fresh gas since I bought her in March of 2010. Lately she's been getting harder and harder to start, hence why I thought she needed a new fuel pump. Cold mornings were the worst, but warm afternoons  and when her engine were still warm from driving she would start with little trouble.

I didn't know about the bad things ether can do. Thank you for the heads-up, amc49. Thank you all for your suggestions. I am determined to get to the bottom of this.
One can never have too many Pintos!

Wittsend

I agree with AMC49.  While trying to dump fuel down a cranking engine has its dangers, filling a cold, stationary carburetor is no more dangerous than filling a lawn mower.  I have a number of cars that sit for long periods. The float bowls run dry (fast in the So.Cal. summer). Cranking doesn't help much even with the tank higher (I'm a guy and thus always back in my sloped driveway).

  I just use a small funnel attached to an 8" piece of gas line. I remove the fuel pump to carburetor line, connect the hose/funnel and slowly pour gas from a small cup.  You may need a different connector at the carburetor depending on the type.  It might be helpful (if possible) to also pour gas back toward the fuel pump too.

While there is some cost involved going to an electrical fuel pump is helpful to solve this problem.  Having done the 2.3 turbo swap my Pinto can sit for months and still start.  Key on/Key off a couple of time pressurizes the fuel rail and starting is almost immediate.

Tom




amc49

The fuel pump cam I believe is actually part of the intermediate shaft on these, it cannot come loose, or distributor would not turn.

Fuel pump if good will prime carb unless filter or something else stopping up fuel line. Ethanol plays havoc with fuel line now unless you have ethanol tolerant line. The Gates hose mentioned. You can blow back through fuel tank with compressed air and listen for it bubbling to know if pickup filter is clogged. Have cap off when you do it. Ethanol also very bad about sticking float shut from the residual sugar in it after car or bike sits for more than a week. I've had to take compressed air to fuel inlets before to just pop needle free of seat. Either that or take carb apart to merely touch needle to have it come loose. A pain in the -ss and plenty of fun on inline four bikes.

Rather than prime engine through butterflies I simply fill carb up through the vent area on 5200s. Pump throttle 2-3 times till pumpshot comes out and go. I ALWAYS use a big fuel filter in the line coming up to carb and the small internal carb filter gets tossed almost immediately, they clog super easy. I do not use the 1/8" pipe thread inlet filter either, always a simple hose fitting there and bigger filter down lower. Clear so I can see if fuel in it.

I feel same way as jeremysdad about priming engine with fuel, one guy only, watched a friend get blown backwards once when doing it, he and girlfriend got tangled up in communications, she turned key at wrong time. BOOM. I've done it a hundred times safely yet I back up when others do it, you just can never tell what someone is going to do there...................seen  hair on fire more than once.

I use ether all the time but one concrete hard rule, if it does not light up at all after a solid 2 second shot then STOP RIGHT THERE and find out what is wrong with car. I came up once just as a mech friend was finishing blowing up 6 out of 8 connecting rods in a Pontiac V-8, he kept squirting more and more ether in as car kept trying to barely start, it bit him bad. Block had so many holes in it it was not funny. As I said 6 rods spit in half. Awesome. Turned out he had done a cam change and forgotten to tighten fuel pump lobe to cam, it halfheartedly spun every once in a while to just barely pump a small amount of fuel. Another mech who knew better kept loading up ether in a 289 Ford that was mistimed to not run and before all over, GET THIS!, pulled #1 plug and lit a MATCH to look in cylinder. It went off and the resultant flamethrower jet hit him in face and head, caught them on fire. Same friend who blew up the Pontiac worked for him at the time and quickly threw a winter coat over him to extinguish it, elsewise guy might have died. The guy was a premiere high dollar sprint and dirt car engine builder in Dallas, go figure....................

Cars are fun guys but they can kill you in a minute. Far better to think about things for a second rather than just doing them.

Pintosopher

Replace the Old Hoses , Save yourself  from a Car B Que . Use Gates Barricade hose , SAE J30 R14 for Ethanol RFG fuels  (Carbureted version) Save your car, don't fret the time and expense of pulling the tanks. A fuel fire is forever ...  :-[
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Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

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74 PintoWagon

Quote from: jeremysdad on October 16, 2013, 08:09:21 PMRotten fuel lines (rubber)]/b]. Where are you again? Aren't you down near Fred, in the southwest? Give a mechanical fuel pump one pin-hole, and it won't draw anything. :)
Don't really matter where you're at, if you drain the lines they're done they will dry out and crack(even quicker in heat), they'll stay alive as long as there is gas in them same for the pump. My neighbor had a drag car and he wouldn't use solid line from front to back(never figured that out)only braided line, he would drain the system at the end of the season and park the car, when the season started up he'd fill the system and he'd have a lawn sprinkling system under the car, lol, it was ok with me because I used to sell AN stuff and he was always good for 30ft of hose every season, lol..

PS: If you drain the system you can extend the life of fuel lines with a little Marvel in the gas.
Art
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Jerry merrill

Are you sure the fuel lines on the pump are not on backwards? If that is ok try priming the carb with a little gas but always put the air cleaner back on before trying to start. Check for gas coming out of the accelerator pump squirter to see if that is working. Good luck!

blupinto

Good question... I haven't pulled the tank on either of these girls yet... and not really keen on that yet, as both tanks are mostly full. Yes, I have spark (on both cars).  :)
One can never have too many Pintos!

jeremysdad

Status of your 'fuel pick-up strainers', as they call them now? I.e., the strainers that live at the end of your fuel inlet in the gas tank?

That's all I got.

jeremysdad

Rotten fuel lines (rubber). Where are you again? Aren't you down near Fred, in the southwest? Give a mechanical fuel pump one pin-hole, and it won't draw anything. :)

Mine are good, but I replaced them anyway...but there are short sections of rubber fuel line between the tank and the steel lines (where they come out of the frame, right by the fuel tank).

Also, ether is reaaaallllyyyyy hard on a motor. Like really bad. Like trying to idle on NO2 bad. Melted pistons and stuff. :) lol

Ether + timing off= new rebuild!!! I'll pour gas + key, any day. But that's another skill, cause too much gas = hydro-lock = rebuild.

Verify spark yet (can I call you Chikka)? :)

blupinto

I did check the oil (I think it was suggested in one of the repair manuals or another Pinto Peep) and there's no smell of gas and no oil discoloration (I'm not sure if it discolors it like water or antifreeze does). I replaced War Wagon's pump maybe 3 months ago and had the same results as I'm having with Ruby now. That was the reason I had the pumps replaced- because gas wasn't getting to the carburetor.

What little cam?  (my naivete is showing here...)
One can never have too many Pintos!

TIGGER

So far I have yet to have to prime a mechanical fuel pump.  It usually takes a few cranks but I have never had a problem getting fuel to the carb on any of the cars I have replaced the fuel pump on.  If it is starting on starter fluid, I would take off the new fuel pump and bench test it.  It could be defective right out of the box?  Second, I would check that the nothing happened to the little cam that drives the pump. Also check your oil to make sure it is not pumping fuel into your crankcase.  I have seen that before as well. 
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blupinto

Hi Jeremysdad!  ;D

Yeah, I'm not real keen on doing the gas-into-carb thing, either. I'm too scared of fires! lol  Both cars almost start when I use starting fluid, but once that's gone... it's back to the old drawing board. I bought Ruby a see-through glass fuel filter to see if her gas is bad. Sadly, I wouldn't know... the filter is bone-dry. This weekend I will put the girls rear-ends up in the driveway... the hard part will be pushing them up! I hate to ask my neighbors to help. It's a little (Pinto-length) driveway, but it's steep and has rough asphalt.
One can never have too many Pintos!

jeremysdad

I feel for you, and hope it's not a mountain. Turn them around.

Somebody's going to say 'Just prime the carb!!!', but I've been doing that since I was 7 (so, for 25 years), and one of my high-school classmates killed himself after a horrible accident resulting from the practice, so...

Turn them to point nose down-hill. :)

Sorry that I was the first to respond. Carry on...

(If you must prime a carb...as little gas as possible...and it really works best as a one man show. I.e., TBSP or two down the throat, SET CAN DOWN, attempt to start.) It has to be a one man show, if you're going to try it. Any other way can be fatal. Gas man works the key. Period. I don't know what became of the man that turned that key...so I've turned it myself ever since.

#afterschoolspecial

blupinto

I sadly now have two Pintos not able to start. They are parked in my driveway, which is slanted. The cars- Ruby RedHot and her younger wagon sister War Wagon- are parked where the fronts are on the high part of driveway. Both of them ran when I parked them- War Wagon because of a bad speedometer cable and rotten tires and Ruby just because. After a few months of sitting, War Wagon had no interest in starting. Because of her other issues I didn't sweat it. Ruby was parked for only 3 weeks when she refused to turn over. I've since done a full tune-up and replaced spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, fuel pump, fuel filter, and lots of fuel line. She has 3/4 of a tank of gas. The problem is the gas is not getting to the filter- much less the carburetor. The instruction sheet for the pump says nothing about priming it. I'm thinking that, with the engine compartment elevated higher than the rear end, the gas drained back into the tank and there's no vacuum to bring gas up to the carb. Is this unusual, or is it just me?  :P
One can never have too many Pintos!