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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Thought I'd put my 73 wagon here

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74 PintoWagon

Quote from: dianne on October 27, 2013, 08:05:34 AM
It may not. I guess it doesn't happen on all of them. It didn't on my Maverick either and that's a 1970 that sat in a field for 30 years with rust everywhere!
Well, hopefully I'll luck out and it won't happen on mine, lol..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dianne

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on October 27, 2013, 07:50:29 AM
No, mine are good so far but I'll have to remember this for later when they do go bad.

It may not. I guess it doesn't happen on all of them. It didn't on my Maverick either and that's a 1970 that sat in a field for 30 years with rust everywhere!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: dianne on October 26, 2013, 09:21:07 PM
Did you have the same problem? I looked and didn't find anything so I tried this. I guess mine is the only one LOL I did post it in the other area in case someone has the same issue.

And thanks...
No, mine are good so far but I'll have to remember this for later when they do go bad.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dianne

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on October 26, 2013, 09:18:15 PM
That came out nice.

Did you have the same problem? I looked and didn't find anything so I tried this. I guess mine is the only one LOL I did post it in the other area in case someone has the same issue.

And thanks...
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dianne

OK, for those with pealing rain gutters I found the fix and seems to work good. The pictures don't show the rain gutters pealing and all rusted underneath, but think I posted one that was like that already. These rain gutters are pretty cool actually and the gutters were actually plastic I guess. So I took a dremel and small wire brush and ground them down to metal and no rust and the popped up gutter plastic to the edge. I used the brush and not a wheel for this, the wire wheel didn't seem to do the trick.

Got it to the point of being satisfied that I cured the rust and got the plastic wheeled out to the edge and then with my finger got some putty and filled it in. It worked pretty good. Sanded it with some good 3M 80 grit (the purple stuff) and then wet sanded some and this is the result of that.

The primer still needs to be wet sanded. At this time I pretty much have it done except one dent and waiting on a dent puller I ordered to come in. I think I'm ready for the final wet sanding and actually just have the dent (the other needs to be sanded yet).

So just some wet sanding and I'm pooped. I also am lending a saddle to a friend and it was in my storage shed, so had to treat that too - whew! But all the little chips are gone with the rust under it!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dianne

Quote from: dave1987 on October 24, 2013, 04:20:44 AM
Body work looks fabulous! Can't wait to see the paint and see it all come together. Looks like the roof took a lot of work. Was it awkward to do way up top?

Not for me Dave :D  The roof was murder though, just a lot of sanding...

Did you post pics of the Pinto? Is insurance going to pay?
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dave1987

Body work looks fabulous! Can't wait to see the paint and see it all come together. Looks like the roof took a lot of work. Was it awkward to do way up top?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dianne

OK, getting closer. Every minute I can spare goes into this wagon, then the Maverick and then I'll get to my Rambler wagon! All that's left is the rain gutter on the passenger side, two small dents and the rockers and I'm done!

What do you think Dave?
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dianne

Thus far...
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dianne

Well, I'd like to see Dave get his done!!!! That would be awesome!

So, bring on the next Pinto LOL
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: dianne on October 21, 2013, 10:27:13 AMLOL, you take the wrenches and I'll take the body work LOL 
You got a deal there,lol.. :D :D
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dianne

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on October 21, 2013, 10:25:17 AM
Nahh, been down that road before not meant to be, I'll stick to wrenches, lol..

LOL, you take the wrenches and I'll take the body work LOL  I don't like getting greasy anyway LOL Although that dust when dry sanding plays havoc on my skin and drys it out something terrible :(
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: dianne on October 21, 2013, 09:17:44 AM
Yeah, that's it and you can probably do it also :D
Nahh, been down that road before not meant to be, I'll stick to wrenches, lol..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dianne

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on October 21, 2013, 08:08:24 AM
Yeah, you definitely don't rush on a job like that, and cleanliness is the big factor.

Yeah, that's it and you can probably do it also :D
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: dianne on October 21, 2013, 08:06:23 AM
Yeah, it's all based on the time you put into the prep work and the final paint of course with zero to very little dust (that will be the big thing for me)...
Yeah, you definitely don't rush on a job like that, and cleanliness is the big factor.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dianne

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on October 21, 2013, 07:59:32 AM
Quite a while ago a friend of mine did a similar deal in his garage to paint his truck, by the time he was done you'd never know it was done in his garage, people kept asking where he got it done and they wouldn't believe it when he tells them that he did it in his garage.

Yeah, it's all based on the time you put into the prep work and the final paint of course with zero to very little dust (that will be the big thing for me)...
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: dianne on October 20, 2013, 10:07:03 PM
Well, the proof will be when the paint goes on honestly. I've got to setup a paint booth thing in my garage yet. I read and watched some videos using blanket sheets (from Goodwill or Idaho Youth Ranch or the DI). First cleaning the floor real good after cleaning and blowing out the garage then spraying the walls some so any dust clings to the sheets. Any dust will show up pretty badly I think. I will have to try it and see. So we'll see how it turns out after I spray I guess, frigging me out, but they want a LOT to just spray the car. I'm going to buy a single stage paint from Limco or something like that.

So I dunno, patience is the big thing I guess...

If it works, everyone from work wants their cars done, LOL Told them they would have to sand and prep it like I am and I don't think they want to try it honestly... But I also have 2 others after this one :(

Thanks for the vote of confidence :)
Quite a while ago a friend of mine did a similar deal in his garage to paint his truck, by the time he was done you'd never know it was done in his garage, people kept asking where he got it done and they wouldn't believe it when he tells them that he did it in his garage.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dianne

Quote from: jeremysdad on October 21, 2013, 12:26:32 AM
I couldn't be more confused, and I read the whole thing. :) Yes, you didn't get my humor.

No, I didn't look at your pics. sorry. I assume you're studying 'bodywork', it was an 'elective' in high school.

I finished high school in 1973. I modelled legs instead of doing bodywork back then and ran brackets. My dad and brother built the cars and I ran the cars.

Quote(32 year old girl asked my 12 year old if 'he'd ever had a massage?' My answer: No internet for ANYBODY!!! lol)

Yeah, it's the Internet...

QuoteDon't take me personally, dude. :) It's the internet, and God bless you all. :)

Remember, the Internet never forgets ;)

QuotePost scriptum: How do you get the bubbles out of resin without much ado? :) <pop quiz,

By doing it quickly and folding the bondo so it mixes well. I use the Evercoat for the mud and putty. Works much better than Bondo and you can get it at a body supply shop. At 4:07 he shows how to mix with no bubbles. This is how I am learning to do it. That fender that you didn't see, took me around 10 times. Hammering the creases each time actually to get rid of them. There are a LOT of videos that show this and putty also. YouTube has it if you want to learn it!

Good YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjvTmSAPNmE

Quote^^^Wait, gentlemen. :)

Sure Ma'am LOL
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

jeremysdad

An elective in high school, dash if I didn't state that incorrectly. lol. Damn...

jeremysdad

I couldn't be more confused, and I read the whole thing. :) Yes, you didn't get my humor.

No, I didn't look at your pics. sorry. I assume you're studying 'bodywork', it was an 'elective' in high school. <humor

(32 year old girl asked my 12 year old if 'he'd ever had a massage?' My answer: No internet for ANYBODY!!! lol)

Don't take me personally, dude. :) It's the internet, and God bless you all. :)

Post scriptum: How do you get the bubbles out of resin without much ado? :) <pop quiz

^^^Wait, gentlemen. :)

dianne

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on October 20, 2013, 10:02:49 PM
Yeah, and in my case more than once, lol..

Trust me, I've sold cars that are worth a LOT now. My 70 Monte Carlo was the best car I've ever owned. Saw one in the condition of mine, but it went for 12k. So I have lots of stories, a 69 Mustang convertible and the list can go on :(
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

bbobcat75

dave1987 the eyelid bots to the top, and the lower end is the threaded rod! I don't have that upper mount on either of my wagons a 73 pinto and a 78 bobcat! so I have to figure they are correct plus when you look up a rear shock for a 78 bobcat at napa shows the eyelid shock! just my 2 cents take care

bbobcat75 


its a ford product in early 90s ford had 3 different serp. belt set ups in the f150 with 3 different belts sizes and all would have same options figure that one out!! so these rear shocks are no real BIG surprise to me!! lol
take care!
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

dianne

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on October 20, 2013, 09:58:57 PM
Oh trust me you've got the talent, I've tried several times at body work and glasswork and had tons of instruction and teaching and I can tell you how to do it all, but when it comes down to doing it not gonna happen it turns out worse than before I started, LOL..

Well, the proof will be when the paint goes on honestly. I've got to setup a paint booth thing in my garage yet. I read and watched some videos using blanket sheets (from Goodwill or Idaho Youth Ranch or the DI). First cleaning the floor real good after cleaning and blowing out the garage then spraying the walls some so any dust clings to the sheets. Any dust will show up pretty badly I think. I will have to try it and see. So we'll see how it turns out after I spray I guess, frigging me out, but they want a LOT to just spray the car. I'm going to buy a single stage paint from Limco or something like that.

So I dunno, patience is the big thing I guess...

If it works, everyone from work wants their cars done, LOL Told them they would have to sand and prep it like I am and I don't think they want to try it honestly... But I also have 2 others after this one :(

Thanks for the vote of confidence :)
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: dianne on October 20, 2013, 09:50:35 PM
Think we've all made mistakes on cars over the years. I'm correcting mine now :D
Yeah, and in my case more than once, lol..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: dianne on October 20, 2013, 09:49:02 PM
Honestly, I didn't have the talent, only the patience and YouTube. I'm pretty certain the fender is perfect and the rest that I got. When I get the primer I'll do it and we'll see when it's still wet. That shows everything in a bright light. Honestly, YouTube is teaching me!

I am so impatient on wanting to paint it, but I want it so perfect that it looks better than when it came from the factory if that's at all possible. I need to do the interior, said I wasn't going to, but I have to do the doors at the very least. Since Dave said something when we were looking at them, I have to have that perfect also - sheesh. That's next years project. I have to get the Ramble and Maverick done also.

I don't know much about heaters, but I got a 35,000 BTU propane one I'm hoping lets me work through the winter on the cars...
Oh trust me you've got the talent, I've tried several times at body work and glasswork and had tons of instruction and teaching and I can tell you how to do it all, but when it comes down to doing it not gonna happen it turns out worse than before I started, LOL..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dianne

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on October 20, 2013, 09:48:53 PM
Don't feel bad I made the same mistake.. ::) >:(

Think we've all made mistakes on cars over the years. I'm correcting mine now :D
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dianne

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on October 20, 2013, 09:44:48 PM
Wish I had the talent for body work like that.. :(

Honestly, I didn't have the talent, only the patience and YouTube. I'm pretty certain the fender is perfect and the rest that I got. When I get the primer I'll do it and we'll see when it's still wet. That shows everything in a bright light. Honestly, YouTube is teaching me!

I am so impatient on wanting to paint it, but I want it so perfect that it looks better than when it came from the factory if that's at all possible. I need to do the interior, said I wasn't going to, but I have to do the doors at the very least. Since Dave said something when we were looking at them, I have to have that perfect also - sheesh. That's next years project. I have to get the Ramble and Maverick done also.

I don't know much about heaters, but I got a 35,000 BTU propane one I'm hoping lets me work through the winter on the cars...
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: dianne on October 18, 2013, 11:08:42 AMI had a Mustang II I bought new in 1974 after selling my 1970 Boss 302 (don't laugh at me, there was a gas shortage).
Don't feel bad I made the same mistake.. ::) >:(
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

74 PintoWagon

Wish I had the talent for body work like that.. :(
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.