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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto

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Reeves1

SOLD !
Guy is going to put a 2.3 Turbo in it.

74 PintoWagon

Bummer, sorry to hear that..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Reeves1

Never going to finish this car.

As soon as I know I will not need anything from it......it will have to go. Along with some other stuff......

Pintosopher

Quote from: Reeves1 on March 05, 2015, 10:59:51 AM
Had some spare time , so using my spot weld bit, I drilled out nearly 100 spot welds and two bead welds.
I knew there were more rust issues. Didn't know there are three rust through spots.
All fixable though.
The heater funnel will be removed & a plate welded in : this car will get a small, light electric heater.








Ahh so that's what's under the skin. I'll need to do that to mine to straighten the slots on my vent intake (Don't ask, it was a lack of hood pins.  :P )  No heater, but I see potential for a neat cowl intake and rust remediation with roll cage install.

Pintosopher, never trust a car guythat reeks of Doob at 7am, you might lose your self control.
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Reeves1

FYI....

Had a set of front mounts bolted to a 351w (mock up engine for test fitting).
Sitting there having a refreshment , thought: looks like if I take the one from the front left, it should work on the back right.
I'll (one day) drop the engine in the car to see where they match up with the frame rail.
If it fits OK, will be a good way to mount the engine.
I held a set of Headman Headers up to the ports. Fits OK.


Reeves1

Had some spare time , so using my spot weld bit, I drilled out nearly 100 spot welds and two bead welds.
I knew there were more rust issues. Didn't know there are three rust through spots.
All fixable though.
The heater funnel will be removed & a plate welded in : this car will get a small, light electric heater.








Reeves1

I didn't bother test fitting any trans. I knew I had to mod the tunnel more anyway.
But I did measure from the Quicktime bell back to the shifter hole.
The way it is now, a T-5 will bolt right in without having to cut that hole forward.

Reeves1

Recall I moved the hole for the main wire harness up & over ?
It was behind the head before. Now clears the engine.
There will be even more clearance with a 302w.


Reeves1

The Headers you see mounted on the engine (and the other set I have) will not work on a 351w.

I had test fit the front mounts and (other) Headers in my white car. Worked OK.

These next pictures show they are too high, and the pan is sitting on the rack.




Reeves1

OK......had thought I thunk out the fire wall mods better  :o

With aluminum bell that came with the T-5, the ribs hit way too soon.
When planning out the cuts I wanted to keep the heater, yet remove as much as I could.
I'll have to install the heater to see how much more can be taken out.
Also have to trim out more by the back left intake bolt.


dick1172762

That type of mount is what Ford flathead and Chebbeys V-8's had on them back in the days. All of the possible stress would be on the bell housing at the area where it and the block come together. Mid plate should fix that. I've seen a zillion 55/57 Chebbeys without the mid plate / mounts they came with, running at the drags with no problems. Only one way to know for sure.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Reeves1

Forgot to clean the tape residue off the pan ! Not banged up like it looks, although it's used.

Headers and front mounts will be removed when dropping the engine in.

If anyone has used those front mounts for any length of time, please post how well they worked for you.
Any leak problems ? Stay tight ? Cracked heads ?

Thinking about a different type of front mount.......plus mid mount.

I'll also test fit with a T-5 I have here. Depending on time etc I may test fit with my T-10 as well.

Reeves1

B2 engine is still not back.....been a year now  >:(

I picked up a few parts over time to mock up a 351w to test fit in the car.
I have 2 sets of Headers. Going to use the NOS set for this "test".
I measured the two sets and both measure up the same. So not likely meant for the taller 351w.










Pinto5.0

My 73 came with A/C & I saved the box since the blower motor is inside the car. I want to dig into it & see how much I can eliminate & just use the box for heat. It's fiberglass rather than plastic so I can do some modding to it relatively easily.

'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Reeves1

Doubt it has any weight savings. Looks like it has a heater core.

I looked earlier on line & looked at a few small units. What I looked at is not (so far) what I'm seeing in my head  :o


;D

Pinto5.0

'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Reeves1

Moved the car out of storage & into the shop.
Tired of moving the tractor out of the shop anyway.

Shop fridge is full, so worked on that  ;D

While sitting there , looking at the ugly beast , thinking of how much work is needed.... I am wondering if I have some sort of mental problem  :o

One thing I'll be looking into is a 12v heater. To be road legal it needs a defroster. If it will cut weight. It would also end the clearance issue with the heater motor: never did find a short one.

Reeves1

I strengthened the frame rails (pictures earlier ?).

With front mounts I'd use a mid mount as well.

Main reason I've not made a "kit" yet is the price I'd have to charge.
Built 302w about 5-8k +
Headers about 1.5k +
Bell, trans & other related parts about 1k - 1.5k +
Test fitted motor mounts .5k (ish ?)

I think you get the idea......building a car in Canada (or anywhere now) is not cheap.
(SFI bell for my B2 was over .5k and is now out of date - yet has never been on a running engine)

As I pointed out to another member, take a lower ball joint.
States cost to me is about $50.00. Add in the $ exchange. Then GST & duty at the border. Then shipping....add $ for exchange rate.
Shipping $ only (seems) to get it to the border.
When I pick the parts up (no matter how shipped) this $50.00 part then costs me another 30-40 bucks, above & beyond the above prices = at least 3-4 times what you would pay.

russosborne

You V8 guys are making it hard for me to be happy with my little 2.3.  :(
But I do have to go cheap for now at least, so 2.3 it stays.  :-[
But I will be remembering those Speedway mounts later on. Those are really neat.  ;D And a really good price for the total setup. 8)
Do you feel the Pinto front subframe is strong enough for them where they bolt on, or did you reinforce that area and I just missed it?
thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

Reeves1

Lots of ways to do a V8 swap.....and the Mll mounts would be a last choice for me.
They off set an engine 1 3/4" (I think that is what I measured).

73 will require fire wall mods. How much depends on what you want to do.
This Ugly car is getting mods for a 351w - even though I'm not sure what will end up in the car.
If it's a 302w, there will just be more clearance. Plus the option for a future owner to put a 351w into it.
Easier to do the mods one time.....

If you want an auto, go with a built C4 (or better) from the get go.

Not cheap to build these now & if you try to cheap out you'll end up with what you pay for.

Headers are problematic now : no longer made for them. Although, sometimes you can scoop some up for sale - usually the Hookers (through the inner fenders for the back 2 tubes on each side).

I have a couple sets of the Headman ones, with the flat collectors.
One set had been on an engine, but never on the road.
Another NOS set , that may be for 351w. I have yet to measure them : they'll be a bit over an inch taller than the others, if for a 351w.

Custom headers (up here in Alberta) range from $150.00 to $3000.00.

The ones for my B2 car will likely run top end, as the tubes will be mandrel bends. Not a bunch of angles welded together.

I'm still thinking of putting a V8 swap kit together for sale.
Complete from a built 302w (to 331 stroker).
Mounts, headers, bell, T-5 etc.
Not sure if I'll get it done.....big $ to spend on the B2 car yet......

rramjet

Nice work.

Thinking about a 302 for my 73 wagon but want the conversion as simple as possible since it is at our Winter location and I would either be paying for the work or doing it in my carport.

You mentioned that the original install used MII motor mounts but only had one bolt installed. Do you have any photos of the MII mounts as they were installed?

Are MII mounts with more bolts the best way to go for a simple as possible install?

I couldn't tell from the picture if other mods were needed to get it in. Mine is an auto and not sure if it's C3 or 4. Would an adapter be needed to mate the two? I know I would need to upgrade the rear to an 8". Guessing the headers would also be a trick.

Thanks


74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Reeves1

Picture , if you will .....

Back in 69/70a guy with a 351w blowed up his engine.
Crank broke at the 1/5 journal. Broke the block & lots of other damage.
He took it apart , tossed it into the bush.
There it sat , till he gave it to me so I could mock up a 351w for test fitting in Ugly Yellow.
Need to know if the fire wall mods are done right...or changes will be needed.

Intake is an Edelbrock Victor JR - picked up real cheap. It had been painted Ford blue , then silver.
Took a few coats of paint stripper & a few hours in a hot tank to clean it up.

Didn't want a rust pile sitting in the shop.....sand blasted & painted.......wife says it is a waste of time and money  ::)    ;D







I will soon have an 8 qt. Mildon pan to add to this.

Reeves1

Buying this rotisserie Friday morning......sale is for 949.95 - bottom of page

http://www.kmstools.com/eflyer/#page17

Reeves1

As mentioned, this one is being made so a 9.5 deck 351w will fit.
Found a smoke'n deal on an intake like this one : http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/edl-2981/overview/make/ford

No idea if that type engine will end up in it. Just want to make sure if a future owner wants to do so, it will fit no problem.

I'll have to pick up other engine parts over time for this. Like a junk block, junk heads & a good pan.
I'll be getting hold of Milodon to see about that, in the future.

Looking at rotisseries now.....when I should be saving cash for the white car !

74 PintoWagon

Nice find, tried to find one for mine finally did get a used one in decent shape..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Reeves1

NOS 1972-79 Pinto Bobcat Cowl Vent Air Outlet Duct Passenger Side - got it for $25.00




74 PintoWagon

Wow, you expecting Tornadoes, lol, that's one stout building..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Reeves1

Will look better after I get all the trim & vinyl siding on it ! Plus the roller door. Next summer project....

Lawn grade went two ways, towards the back left corner in that picture.
I laid filter cloth down. Then built a 4" x 4" pressure treated frame.
Then another frame the same, on the outside of the first one.
Then 3/4" crush inside (all 4x4s are pegged down with 2' rebar).
Then raised & leveled the inside frame, pounding crush under it.
Each corner has a 4' screw in pile , to tie it all down as well.
It's not moving !  ;D

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.